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  • #669343

    truthsharer
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    cantoresq,

    Oxford shirts are generally not accepted, they are too thick for a ben Torah.

    #669344

    sammygol
    Member

    WHO exactly is too thick? 🙂

    #669345

    cherrybim
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    Too thick is less than 140 count thread. It’s a mitzva min hamuvchar for b’nai torah to be attired in Brooks.

    #669346

    sammygol
    Member

    Cherry,

    Why are the threads in an oxford shirt too thick, and those Turkish wool Talisos that look like recycled blankets good enough? Do Brooks Bros make prayer shawls? Well, they should…..

    #669347

    cantoresq
    Member

    What about Egyptian cotton, one of the finer fabrics? Does it not violate “kimaaseh eretz Mitzraim. . .?”

    #669348

    cherrybim
    Participant

    Get with it man; Turkish is out, light weight is in.

    #669349

    jphone
    Member

    Do you get double schar for white on white?

    Should one avoid the “Polo” logo as detrimental to ones growth in yiras shamayim because it is reminiscent of a bahaima tamaia and stick with the Nautica sail?

    #669350

    sammygol
    Member

    JP

    Nisht kein pferd fun Polo, und nisht kein alligator fun Izod!! Ehrliche Yidden only go in white shirts, either manufactured by heimish owned companies with bogus Italian names, or those that button in ladie’s fashion (not that we are aftaid of Lo Silbash).

    Any and all logos are pure Avoda Zara, for some reason or another. I am sure there is some obscure midrash that can be misquoted to prove exactly that.

    #669351

    Jothar
    Member

    Wearing a colored shirt is perfectly muttar, as long as doing so is not a form of rebellion in your circles. Anything done for rebellion is assur. If it’s acceptable, then go ahead and wear your colored/ striped shirt.

    #669352

    cantoresq
    Member

    Jothar, since wearing white exclusively also has sociological implication, might a member of the “colored wearing shirts community” who opts wear white shirts exclusively also be guilty of “rebellion?”

    #669353

    Pashuteh Yid
    Member

    Jphone, many chareidi yeshivas have that policy from 8th grade up.

    #669354

    jphone
    Member

    Which ones? So far, only two have been named. One in Brooklyn, and one in Lakewood. If “many yeshivos” have this white shirt only policy, who are they? Please name them.

    #669355

    I know Yeshivah Darchei Torah in Far Rockaway REQUIRES white shirts for the boys in their high school

    #669356

    sammygol
    Member

    I don’t know….

    When I was in high school, Philly boys, Long Beach boys, Ner Israel boys, Telz boys, all wore colored or striped shirts, and learned day and night, with passion and Ahavas Hatorah. Today we have all white clad bochurim, yet, the level of hasmada AND the quality of learning itself went down significantly. Sure, there is yeridas hadoros, but, when one starts focusing on the trappings, rather than on the core, those become more important. This attitude later pervades the shiduchim scene, as well. It is a sad state of affairs when one’s level of learning and piety can be “easily” determined by the color of his clothing, the width and tilt of his hat’s brim, and by how long and white his Rosh Yeshiva’s beard is.

    #669357

    jphone
    Member

    Required, as in, show up in a blue shirt enough times, your out for blatantly violating policy? That will be the day!

    #669358

    tamazaball
    Member

    Sammy gol. No offense to everyone but he keeps making more sense.

    #669359

    HIE
    Participant

    truthsharer, i noticed that you mentioned before the following statement

    “torah vodaas of all places requires white shirts”

    what makes you say “OF ALL PLACES”?????

    #669360

    goody613
    Member

    yeah, torah vedaas is a regular yeshivah. most brooklyn hs require white shirts.

    #669361

    Jewess
    Member

    Is a white shirt with colored stripes considered a white shirt or a colored one?

    #669362

    Jothar
    Member
    #669363

    sammygol
    Member

    Jewess, when the “milk scandal” broke out some 11 years ago, the sh’muah was that, according to a prominent posek in Boro Park, the green and blue milk was definitely kosher, and even the red wasn’t really red.

    Kal Vachomer with stripes on shirts

    #669364

    Josh31
    Participant

    “Is a white shirt with colored stripes considered a white shirt or a colored one?”

    According to my best guess it should be considered white if the white stripes are at least a “gris” wide. Then if the shirt was made of wool or linen it could contract the Tumah of Tza-raas according to my best understanding.

    On the other hand those most Makpid (insisting on) white shirts are Chasidim, so they should decide. I am not a Chasid as my thinking process is like Adam HaRishon -“a yeka”.

    #669365

    sammygol- so, is this a direct correlation scientifically? seems to be proof enough to consider it! you seem to be one of the only people with a brain on this post! Maybe if we stopped concentrating on what they wear while learning and instead concentrated on their learning, we might make some progress in the community and frum world at large.

    Had a brainstorm- if boys stopped concentrating on what they wore (brand names, colors, styles, fabrics, animal/boat/whatever symbols) maybe it would help stop girls from being obsessed over weight and fashion (to impress future shidduch chances) as the boys wouldnt care either! One thing seems to lead to another. Yes, girls will be concerned naturally, but if boys stopped thinking about it all day, then at least one pressure would be off the girls. Maybe they would be more “middle of the road” and not so obsessed. Just my thoughts.

    #669366

    sammygol
    Member

    Josh

    B’makom shenimtze…. Where it is acceptble, you can have the stripes as wide as a “turmus”. Also, according to most poskim, if it is not made of natural fibers, EVEN white shirts are acceptible.

    #669367

    jphone
    Member

    In the days of the Taanaim, did they have a policy about what color robes one could wear into the bais medrash? Did they only wear white robes? Black robes? Perhaps robes that were white on top and black on the bottom?

    I have yet to see a Rishon dismiss the opinion of another based on the color of his clothing. “Come on, you cant take his shitta in hilchos bishul seriously, he wrote that while wearing a purple caftan” is only something you’d see in a sefer published by an insane alylum.

    This entire discussion is asinine.

    Whats next? Shirts done by the chineese laundy are no good because the non jew lacks the proper yiras shamayim while ironig the shirts and it will have a negative effect on the wearer?

    Perhaps I should open a business that deals only in white shirts and get a hechsher guaranteeing that only yidden who washed negel vaaser touched the materials and machinary in all aspects of the manufacturing, packaging and shipping of the shirts. Then as an added bonus, start a new shirt cleaning service that assures that the starch has the highest hechsher and hire only those with the highest level of yiras shamayim, and who listen to torah tapes while laundering the shirts work in this store. This will assure that the perfectly starched Perry Ellis, Tommy Hilfiger, Nautica, Ralph Lauren, Brooks Brothers, Hart Schafner Marx, Marx Brothers and Saks Fifth Avenue shirts that adorn our bachurim are steeped in yiras shamayim and will not be a hinderence in any way shape or form to their further growth in torah, avodah and yiras shamayim as they grow to become the future leaders of Klal Yisroel.

    #669368

    jphone:

    Don’t give them more ideas!

    However, you most probably would make a killing in that business if you made it a requirement for shidduchim.

    “And the boy only gets his WHITE shirts laundered by a jew who is of the highest caliber”!!

    One flaw is that it is “bittle torah” and no upstanding yidden would ever do such a thing. You might get some “modern” guy (and only guys for men clothing and women for female clothing, of course) but he might not be of such a great caliber, so this idea might not work.

    #669369

    hud
    Member

    Fantastic idea! May you only hav hatzlacha in your endevours jphone. I m positive that bussiness will be booming as soon as u open…what would u call/name your bussiness?

    #669370

    Jothar
    Member

    There is a discussion in the gemara about clothing somewhere. Rabbi Yehuda Hanassi (or Levi his talmid- I forget my girsa deyankusa) says that the Persians (who dress in all black) are like angels of destruction, and the Jewish scholars (who dress in all-white) are like the ministering angels. Galachim wear black clothing as well.

    #669371

    cherrybim
    Participant

    I heard that yeshivos are starting to reject donations by contributors wearing colored shirts.

    #669372

    sammygol
    Member

    JP

    Next are underwear made by frum Jews, solely leshem shomayim. They are loosefitting, strictly white, made of thick Turkish wool, AND, most importantly, have no ch’shash of shatnez, attested to by 11 stamps with bow ties and tiny Hebrew letters, plastered all over the place.

    Unfortunately, guaranteeing such high degree of kashrus and integiry costs a lot of money, yet, advertizing this amazing product (“Gatkes” in the most holy Yiddish tongue) does not add to the price, since no ehrliche yidden would get photographed in them.

    The name of the brand? Why, “LOOT OF THE FRUM”, of course! 🙂

    #669373

    jphone
    Member

    A name for the business? Perhaps the Coffee Room can offer a few suggestions?

    #669374

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    By the way… (not that this has anything to do with anything), today I’m wearing the purple shirt I mentioned earlier. 🙂

    The Wolf

    #669375

    starwolf
    Member

    I do not understand this obsession with clothing–I never have.

    I remember one time during a late night experiment many years ago. Present were myself, the laboratory chief, and a student who came from a very Preppie background. All male.

    After a long period without conversation, the graduate student asks “should your socks match your shirt or your pants?”

    The lab chief and I (longtime friends) looked at each other in astonishment. The student pressed me for an answer. All I could do was reply “I think I’m doing pretty well if my socks match each other.”

    It still holds true. People no longer ask me “who was that guy in shul with the purple shirt” questions. They are likely to get a response of “there was a guy in shul with a purple shirt?”

    #669376

    cantoresq
    Member

    Socks should match one’s pants.

    #669377

    mepal
    Member

    and the shirt should match the pants. (But I think that’s asking too much of men.)

    #669378

    jphone
    Member

    “and the shirt should match the pants. (But I think that’s asking too much of men.)”

    Maybe THIS is the reason for white shirts. You cant mismatch a white shirt with ANY color pants 🙂

    #669379

    coal
    Member

    who cares what people wear?? some people wear black and white and it doesnt mean there so frum

    #669380

    jphone
    Member

    Skunks and Penguins wear black and white. I have never heard anyone challenge their frumkeit. Perhaps the colors really do have a hashpaa on the wearer.

    #669381

    Jewess
    Member

    What would happen if a black and white guy decided to wear white pants and a black shirt?

    #669382

    sammygol
    Member

    You would have to stand on your head to speak to him with respect.

    #669383

    mamashtakah
    Member

    “You cant mismatch a white shirt with ANY color pants”

    Actually, both my wife and daughters agree that a white button down shirt and khaki pants are a fashion disaster.

    #669384

    jphone
    Member

    Mamashtakkah. I suppose it is for this simple reason, yeshiva bachurim have also adopted not to wear Khaki pants.

    There is little room for error if you have closet filled with white shirts and black pants.

    I wonder if white shirts and blue pants would pose a problem for the non zionists.

    #669385

    sammygol
    Member

    Depending on the shade of blue.

    #669386

    Usually I wear blue striped shirts – not very vivid or clashing. Sometimes they’re blue with white stripes. Other times they’re white with blue stripes. Maybe I have one solid blue shirt, and three solid white shirts. They don’t have large logos though. Maybe the largest is an inch high.

    Hope this helps your Yiddishkeit.

    #669387

    mepal
    Member

    Is everyone going to write out their wardrobes now?

    I cant speak for others, but it certainly does not interest me.

    #669388

    chofetzchaim
    Member

    My Mother thinks that the black davening jackets worn by Yeshivish people don’t match the black pants. You can’t wear a black jacket with black pants unless it is a suit. Many people who I have spoken to disagree with this and apparently most Yeshivish people either also disagree or just don’t care.

    #669389

    jphone
    Member

    This ties in with another CR thread.

    If your wearing a jacket by davening “because thats what everyone does”, then you dont really care what color it is. If you are wearing a jacket because you want to show at least as much kavod tothe ribbono shel olam as you would say, a job interview, you would care how you looked and if you matched. You might even wear a tier for davening.

    #669390

    hud
    Member

    =mcsquared:def helping! i was nervous c,.i hav the exact same wardrobe as you. Now explain how thats possible…??

    #669391

    jphone
    Member

    You both shopped at the last Syms bash?

    #669392

    mamashtakah
    Member

    “Perhaps I should open a business that deals only in white shirts and get a hechsher guaranteeing that only yidden who washed negel vaaser touched the materials and machinary in all aspects of the manufacturing, packaging and shipping of the shirts.”

    jphone, this is a great business model, but you need to use only people who go to the mikva before each shirt is made.

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