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  • #1944014
    charliehall
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    This will really upset the folks who insist on doing nothing but bashing Cuomo and De Blasio, but NY is now #17 out of 51 US States & DC in terms of vaccines administered per capita. In other words, 2/3 of states are doing worse. No US state with as large or larger a population, and only one country with as large or larger population — the United Kingdom — is doing better. The only other countries doing better are Israel, United Arab Emirates, and Bahrain. Source: ourworldindata dot com.

    We can do better but most places are doing much worse.

    #1944092
    ujm
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    Cuomo is an incompetent genocidal maniac. He’s singlehandedly responsible for the murder of tens of thousands of elderly New Yorkers in nursing homes during the beginning of the pandemic.

    #1944099
    lakewhut
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    Charlie Hall that’s why people are leaving NY in droves, because they are doing such a good job.

    #1944104
    charliehall
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    I see the Cuomo bashers can’t resist. I wonder whether there is a 12 step recovery program for that addiction.

    #1944108
    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    After the last few months you spent spewing anti trump propaganda verbatim even when you were 100% telling lies and made up facts you hardly have a right to make such a comment. Why not work on rebuilding your reputation as an coherent professional.

    #1944110
    lakewhut
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    Charlie Hall when did you become a communist?

    #1944112

    Charlie, you are right. Another observation – US and UK are ahead of EU due to earlier pre-payments. A couple of factories in Europe have production problems, while US & UK are working fine. EU is trying to force companies to send UK vaccines to EU. One of the explanations – earlier payments allowed more time to fix manufacturing problems.

    #1944113
    ujm
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    Charlie, have you referred Letitia James yet to this 12 step program you refer to?

    #1944125
    ujm
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    We all ought to thank President Trump for laying the groundwork to getting the vaccine ready and available so amazingly quickly.

    #1944259
    bk613
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    The way the media talks about Cuomo (and Cuomo talks about himself) you would think that NY would be in the top 5. All we hear about is how he was an amazing leader throughout the pandemic.

    I am involved in administering vaccines at several NYC PODs. There is no excuse why so few have been vaccinated thus far. It’s impossible to get an appointment yet some sites are vaccinating 250 people on a “busy” day despite having the capacity to do many times that.

    #1944270
    Yserbius123
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    @CharlieHall “New York can be doing worse” isn’t exactly a shining endorsement of Cuomo. After botching the initial COVID-19 response causing nearly half the initial deaths in the US. Then encouraging vaccine distributors to throw out extra doses by threatening anyone who dared vaccinate someone who isn’t in the nebulous “Group 1A”. He will have to do a lot better than 33rd percentile before you will get people to stop bashing him.

    #1944339
    TGIShabbos
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    CharlieHall, it’s all Democrat= good, Republican=Bad, with you all- all day-every day. Did you read about 9 of Cuomo’s top health officials leave amid COVID-19 vaccine rollout disagreements? You pick and choose the politicians you choose to like or dislike.

    #1944341
    dbrim
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    Charliehall: Recommending a 12-step program to people who disagree with your controversial political opinions is deeply offensive to people struggling with addiction. And praising Killer Cuomo is deeply hurtful to the loved ones of those elder-care home residents that were murdered to as the result of his incompetence.

    #1944393
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    I see the Cuomo bashers can’t resist. I wonder whether there is a 12 step recovery program for that addiction.

    As Syag said, there’s a supreme irony in someone who can’t see a single thing good about Trump making that comment.

    BTW, as of today I saw New York ranked 25.

    #1944414
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    also, I’d like to point out that Stalin, Mussolini, Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Castro, Lee, and Ghadafi were all worse than Cuomo, so quit the bashing, would ya?

    #1944488
    Mammele
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    Charlie: I believe that since 40% of New Yorkers are concentrated (in close proximity) in NYC, and a nice chunk in New York’s suburban areas that are pretty dense population-wise — which means easy access to medical centers and hospitals for most in the state — being
    25th or so when it comes to vaccinating its population is really pretty dismal.

    #1944623
    smerel
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    First of all coming in seventeenth place is nothing to boast about. Particularly when you a bloated system as bad as New York. Let them at least do something.

    Second and more importantly the anti-Semitism, bigotries and racism which is being used to distribute these vaccines should make even the biggest Cuomo supporter have pause.

    Boro Park, Midwood, Williamsburg Not Included on List of ‘Hardest-Hit’ Neighborhoods Getting Vaccine Priority

    #1944664
    commonsaychel
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    They did such a great job that NYS will lose 2 congressional seat due to population loss, anyone who can leave is doing so

    #1944705
    charliehall
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    The population losses are all upstate in Republican areas.

    #1944706
    charliehall
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    “praising Killer Cuomo is deeply hurtful to the loved ones of those elder-care home residents that were murdered”

    So I actually looked at the data for fraction of nursing home residents who died from COVID. New York is #18. Massachusetts is #1 and nobody is calling Charlie Baker a murderer. This is all partisan hackery. This isn’t a perfect as reporting rates vary but it shows that Cuomo does not deserve the abuse.

    State LTC Deaths Popn. fraction
    Massachusetts 7,993 34,363 0.232604837
    Oregon 1,037 4,672 0.221960616
    Connecticut 4,310 19,624 0.219629026
    Idaho 688 3,286 0.209373098
    Arizona 2,044 10,325 0.197966102
    Maryland 3,248 16,464 0.197278912
    Rhode Island 1,405 7,558 0.18589574
    New Jersey 7,843 42,413 0.184919718
    Georgia 3,943 22,894 0.172228531
    District of Columbia 213 1,256 0.169585987
    Minnesota 3,900 23,444 0.166353865
    New Mexico 875 5,510 0.158802178
    North Dakota 841 5,321 0.158052998
    Pennsylvania 11,170 72,519 0.154028599
    Virginia 3,011 19,550 0.154015345
    South Dakota 832 5,585 0.148970457
    Delaware 574 3,937 0.145796292
    New York 12,743 89,775 0.141943748
    Illinois 9,263 65,607 0.141189202
    Colorado 2,256 16,004 0.140964759
    Washington 2,030 15,094 0.134490526
    Florida 9,328 71,162 0.131081195
    Michigan 4,892 37,547 0.130290036
    Nevada 701 5,626 0.124600071
    Indiana 4,496 37,564 0.119689064
    Mississippi 1,896 15,923 0.119073039
    California 11,889 99,956 0.118942335
    Montana 448 3,776 0.118644068
    New Hampshire 738 6,397 0.115366578
    Louisiana 2,902 25,863 0.112206627
    North Carolina 4,032 36,148 0.111541441
    South Carolina 1,731 15,563 0.111225342
    Texas 9,662 90,708 0.106517617
    Arkansas 1,779 17,285 0.102921608
    Kentucky 2,128 21,482 0.099059678
    Utah 528 5,574 0.094725511
    Kansas 1,576 16,812 0.093742565
    Nebraska 950 10,584 0.089758125
    Tennessee 2,329 26,647 0.087401959
    Iowa 1,888 22,349 0.084478053
    Wisconsin 1,694 21,236 0.079770202
    Ohio 5,256 71,852 0.073150365
    Alabama 1,625 22,684 0.071636396
    West Virginia 620 9,278 0.066824747
    Wyoming 142 2,224 0.063848921
    Maine 332 5,846 0.056790968
    Oklahoma 902 17,213 0.052402254
    Missouri 1,848 37,277 0.049574805
    Vermont 54 2,359 0.022891056
    Alaska 7 499 0.014028056
    Hawaii 28 3,444 0.008130081
    Total 153,005 1,246,079 0.122789165

    #1944713
    Gadolhadorah
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    UJM: “Tens of thousands deaths in nursing homes can be attributed to Cuomo”??

    Obviously, reading comprehension is not one of your strong points. The New York AG report indicated that depending on the reporting threshold and definition of Covid-related death, it was possible that an additional 4300 to 7000 deaths occurred at nursing homes, above the 8505 figure used by Health Commissioner’s Zucker’s methodology. The AG’s report was based on extrapolation of results from 10 percent of the state’s nursing homes and assisted-living facilities. The policy was obviously a tragic disaster and the reporting was equally suspect but do you believe your Trumpian hypermobile and exaggeration really helps your credibility??

    #1944707
    charliehall
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    “it’s all Democrat= good, Republican=Bad, with you all- all day-every day”

    I publicly disagreed with Biden on the cancellation of the Keystone XL Pipeline and on the Buy America nonsense. Unlike all the Trumpies here I am not a Cult member.

    The only significant longlasting good that Trump did that was really and truly his thing was the First Steps Act. And he got it past Republicans in Congress who were absolutely uninterested. Trump deserves credit for that. I praised Trump for that. I also praised him for allowing the Keystone XL Pipeline to continue, but Biden killed it. And that Pipeline was neither the huge boon that its proponents claimed nor the horrible catastrophe that its opponents claimed. Trump also had the US Embassy to Israel be in Jerusalem, but Biden would have done that too. (Biden had been trying for 35 years.)

    And I am in touch with reality. Biden won the election and it wasn’t close. Many Trumpies here continue to refuse to accept that and the majority of Republicans in the House of Representatives refused as well. Even as a violent mob was storming the Capitol to overturn the election, most House Republicans voted to do the mob’s agenda. So yes, for the most part, Democrat=good and Republican=bad.

    #1944750
    ujm
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    Charlie, New York City itself (not just the other parts of the State) will be losing Congressional representation after the current census reappointment due to the fact that not only did NYC lose population in 2020 but the city has failed to proportionally keep up with the average national population growth.

    #1944780
    MadeAliyah
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    @charliehall
    ”So I actually looked at the data for fraction of nursing home residents who died from COVID. New York is #18. Massachusetts is #1 and nobody is calling Charlie Baker a murderer. This is all partisan hackery. This isn’t a perfect as reporting rates vary but it shows that Cuomo does not deserve the abuse.”

    1. Didn’t Cuomo order China Virus infected patients back into nursing homes? Doesn’t that make him directly responsible?

    2. Do those numbers include the ‘4300 to 7000’ not counted?

    3. Why are you defending this man?

    #1944778
    Redleg
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    A couple of points:
    1. Charlie, where does that number come from? I’ve not seen any published ranking such as that which you cite, but from my personal observation and experience, Florida seemed significantly better organized than New York. In late December and early January, when folks in Monsey had no idea where to go, who to call or what to do to get vaccinated, back in Boca, People were notified by phone, appointments were made and vaccinations were being administered. My entire condo complex had received their first dose before anyone in Monsey was even able to get an appointment.
    2. During the onset of the current pandemic, many mistakes and errors in judgment, both at the federal and state level, were made that are much easier to see today in hindsight that were apparent at the time. In February and March, the federal and state governments were in full panic mode. Remember the demand for 30,000 respirators, turning Javits Center in to a hospital, sending a hospital ship to NY? At the time, sending recovering Covid patients to nursing homes seemed a good idea to free up ICUs that were expected to be swamped. In likewise manner, federal actions (or inactions) taken to avoid isolating the nation and crashing the economy also seemed warranted. It is hypocritical to trash the Trump administration for its mistakes made in good faith, while giving Cuomo a pass for his, made in equally good faith.

    #1944787
    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    👍🏻

    #1944941
    MadeAliyah
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    @charliehall

    ”Trump also had the US Embassy to Israel be in Jerusalem, but Biden would have done that too. (Biden had been trying for 35 years.)”

    Biden called it ‘short-sighted and frivolous’, because apparently Israel can’t choose it’s own capital without meeting ‘conditions’.
    By the way, wasn’t he VP like, four years ago? How hard was he trying to accomplish his 35 year old dream?

    #1944946
    MadeAliyah
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    ”And I am in touch with reality. Biden won the election and it wasn’t close. Many Trumpies here continue to refuse to accept that and the majority of Republicans in the House of Representatives refused as well. Even as a violent mob was storming the Capitol to overturn the election, most House Republicans voted to do the mob’s agenda. So yes, for the most part, Democrat=good and Republican=bad.”

    So Republicans are mostly bad because of a mob that they – including Trump himself – condemned.
    But Democrats are mostly good even though they justified ‘mostly peaceful’ mobs that killed people and caused billions of dollars in damage.
    That’s what being in touch with reality looks like.

    #1944956

    >> but Biden would have done that [Embassy] too

    Charlie, it is ironic that you – “with evidence” – accuse others of coming up with unfounded theories, and immediately post seemingly deluded ideas (“without evidence”). If you reflect on that a little, maybe you’ll become more understanding of others who do the same.

    #1945865
    MadeAliyah
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    ”Trump also had the US Embassy to Israel be in Jerusalem, but Biden would have done that too. (Biden had been trying for 35 years.)”


    @charliehall
    , I’ll admit, my curiosity is has been nagging me for days. Can you please tell me how you came to that conclusion?
    Thank you in advance.

    #1947450
    nishtdayngesheft
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    @charliehall Cuomo’s aide admitted today that Cuomo and his Department of Health falsified the numbers of Nursing Home deaths by intentionally under reporting to hide information from federal prosecutors. That is your wonderful Democrat idol.

    Fantastic job. Can you tell me which page in his book about how to respond to the pandemic that is written on. Perhaps it is an entire chapter.

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