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    I’d like to clarify a point. Another poster (aries2756) assumed that if a poster does not mention that a discussion revolves around a halachic issue, then halacha is excluded from the discussion. My impression has always been, halacha is the basis of almost any serious discussion, even if unstated specifically.

    Is there any consensus on this? Because I strongly feel that halacha must be the bedrock of any conversation, whether there is a halachic aspect at the root of it or ancillary to it.

    (I bring up this issue entirely respectfully, and wish to maintain it that way. Thank You.)

    #922005

    aries2756
    Participant

    TMB, that was your assumption, not mine. I did not assume that Halacha is left out of the discussion. I said that he did not specifically ask for a halachich ruling and therefore it was open for opinion as well. Please do not put words nor assumptions in my mouth, hypothetically speaking. That’s what causes rumors and issues. So please be careful with your words and don’t credit me with things I didn’t say or I didn’t mean. I can speak for myself thank you very much.

    Furthermore, I said not every thread involves Torah or halacha as some are just light and fun such as the one this comment came up on and the word game thread for instance. So please don’t start something uncalled for. That is just sour grapes. I could cut and paste it here if you like for proof. Acutally it was on the “if you were the Moderator thread, so it had nothing to do with halachic discussions”.

    Moderators, I would ask that you shut this down or delete it before it becomes something it should not.

    #922006

    chesedname
    Participant

    Every decision is either halacha OR Hashkafa.

    As a Jew it has to be one or the other.

    #922007

    aries2756
    Participant

    chesedname what did you have for lunch? Did the decision have to do with halacha or Hashkafa? What about breakfast? Did you put on the shirt with the pockets or without? What about your jacket does it have one button, two or three? Did that decision have anything to do with Halacha or Hashkafa? Are your socks nylon or cotton? Should I go on? No not every decision is Halacha or hashkafa.

    #922008

    “chesedname what did you have for lunch? Did the decision have to do with halacha or Hashkafa? What about breakfast? Did you put on the shirt with the pockets or without? What about your jacket does it have one button, two or three? Did that decision have anything to do with Halacha or Hashkafa? Are your socks nylon or cotton? Should I go on? No not every decision is Halacha or hashkafa.”

    Oy, where do we even start?? Yes, our breakfast and lunch, and the jacket we wear, as well as the socks we put on, all were done with the chochma Hashem granted us. We used our chochoma to choose whether to eat oats or cereal for breakfast or whether to eat vegetables or a sandwhich for lunch, based on what will give us more koach to serve Hashem Yisborach throughout the day. We chose whether to wear a shirt with one button or two, based on what will allow us to have more time to serve Hashem Yisborach and learn his holy Torah. We chose nylon or cotton with the chochma Hashem Yisborah granted us, based on what will keep us more comfortable to serve Hashem Yisborach with and maintain his halachos.

    Yes, you can go on asking. The answer is that everything we do is do serve Hashem better, based on our knowledge of the Torah and halacha.

    #922009

    aries2756
    Participant

    TMB, you are back peddling, that’s not the same thing and you know it! You do not make a Halachic or Hashkafic decision in those cases at all. You are making an opinionated choice whether you prefer a one button jacket to a two button, or whether you choose oatmeal today versus an egg, or whether you choose salmon for lunch versus tuna. There is no hashkafa or halacha that covers that choice you are just trying to be “right” and you are not making any sense so much so that you are being ridiculous. Is your need to be right so strong that you will argue any point to death?

    Should we then ask a Rav if your choice of breakfast or what you choose to wear is a hashkafik or halachic decision or is it a matter of pure preference, opinion and choice? I know, maybe we should ask a therapist and a Rav because this is really a mind game. I don’t care if you are right or wrong on any given topic. And if you are right kol hakovod you are entitled to be right. But why is it so important that you will go to any length even to the point of absurdity? Some issues are just plain a matter of opinion or choice because they are not that important. Important issues probably do have more of a footing and basis in hashkafa and halacha, I won’t argue that point with you because in most cases you are probably right, but not in ALL cases.

    #922010

    chesedname
    Participant

    aries2756

    I was busy so sorry for the late response.

    truth be told Trying my best did a great job and didn’t leave much for me to add, so I’ll keep it short.

    what i eat is based on the Rambam and hence the torah, do i sometimes sneak in a steak, yes! I’m not perfect.

    what i wear is also the torah, why don’t we wear pink suits? not yeshivas? what does that mean? means the torah frowns upon them, so we don’t wear them.

    #922011

    oomis
    Participant

    No chesedname, not everything is a matter of halacha or haskafa. If I decide to go for a walk outside, I don’t need to ask my Rov for his p’sak on whether I should or should not. Everything we do is to serve Hashem, but not every way in which we serve Hashem is halachic int he sense of requiring a p’sak.

    #922012

    chesedname
    Participant

    oomis1105

    it’s healthy otherwise it would be bitul torah

    #922013

    No one said anything about a “psak”. We can use our judgement on what is the best course of action to serve Hashem in the best possible ways, based upon our own knowledge of the Torah and halacha.

    #922014

    aries2756
    Participant

    Do you play ball to serve Hashem? Ever do a crossword puzzle or play Soduko? Your argument is just foolish, just for the sake of argument so I’m done. You are just foolish. We breathe for the sake of Hashem. Do we laugh for the sake of Hashem? No that is a gift he gave us, like bechira to make individual choices and having preferences and opinions which have nothing to do with Hashkafa or halacha that was a gift from Hashem. As far as chesedname is concerned you didn’t answer my question, you sidestepped it. I didn’t ask you about a “pink” suit I asked about a one button or two or three button suit which has nothing to do with being yeshivish or not. And choosing between one healthy choice or another for either breakfast or lunch. So therefore you have no answer for me, because the answer is not everything has to do with hashkafa or halacha, somethings are just plain choice, opinion, or preference.

    Furthermore, this is a ridiculous discussion that is not worth any further discussion or effort on my part. I am not going to bother over nonsense about pink suits, so I’m done.

    #922018

    chesedname
    Participant
    #922019

    RuffRuff
    Member

    Now that I finally read the (closed!) thread that was refered to in the OP, I can chime in, too. While my decision of which sock to pull out of the drawer was not based on weighing any Torah sources, even if my desire to choose correctly would be because of a Yiddish reason had I been on that level; when someone asks what is the “correct” thing to do we would most definitely look to the Torah for guidance. In that other thread, the discussion was actually about an Halachic concept, which really makes aries’ remark puzzling. I think aries was just caught off guard, not expecting the conversation to take a turn away from being a friendly opinion chat.

    Once we’re on the topic, why do so many people keep on saying the mantra, “Ask your LOR”? Sometimes threads get closed with this mantra posted on the gate. Is there really something wrong with discussing Torah? Would you now call out in all Yeshivos, “Rabbosei! Stop! Why are you all saying Svaros? Go ask-your-LOR”?

    #922020

    apushatayid
    Participant

    What you ate for breakfast was certainly partially dictated by halacha. You didnt have bacon and eggs, for example, not did you have a glass of milk with the steak that you admittedly snuck in. It may not have been a conscious decision to stay away from the bacon, but it was certainly rooted in the fact that halacha doesnt allow it. The socks you are wearing may be nylon or cotton, you’ll have to check the label. Same with the jacket and the number of buttons. The torah may not dictate nylon, cotton or how many buttons to wear, but surely it does mandate that it not contain shatnez. So, your choice of clothes this morning was in part driven by halacha.

    #922021

    BaalHabooze
    Participant

    Question: is there a reason people don’t eat the ends of a challa a halachic issue, a minhag or a mishigass?? I have had been a guest at peoples’ shabbos tables and they would cut the challa, and then take the very end piece and take it off the table. Anyone heard of such a thing? I have seen it many times.

    #922023

    frummy in the tummy
    Participant

    BaalHabooze – not sure of the source, but my family does it (we don’t eat it, but we don’t take it off the table, though). Eating it is supposed to be bad for memory. So probably both a minhag and a mishigass; but since its my family’s minhag, we do it.

    #922024

    Toi
    Participant

    boich remembering- its a siman/ayin hara for aniyus.

    #922025

    BaalHabooze
    Participant

    bad for memory! I heard that once! I forgot about that! (pun intended )

    🙂

    #922026

    BaalHabooze
    Participant

    Is it osser to smash someone’s T.V./computer if he watches things that are ossur? How about to steal things from him that he shouldn’t possess (as we see Rochel stealing the trophim from Lavan)?

    #922027

    The question is if someone is able to own something that he’s not allowed to (ie. chometz, chazer). If someone can’t halachically posses an idol, then it can’t be stolen.

    #922028

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Chazer is not ossur b’hano’oh.

    #922029

    oomis
    Participant

    I never heard of such a minhag, but I HAVE heard of the minhag of serving the “Shpitz” of the challah from a bris, to a pregnant woman. Presumably, one does not want to impair her memory at that time (unless it is to forget the possible discomforts of pregnancy and labor).

    #922030

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    I seem to remember hearing that the ends of the loaf used to be unhealthy, although I don’t know why.

    #922031

    old man
    Participant

    According to Chazal, eating the ends of the challah causes one to become forgetful.

    #922032

    tzaddiq
    Member

    old man – do u have the source for that ma’amer chazal?

    #922033

    frummy in the tummy
    Participant

    BaalHabooze – I like you completely steered this thread in a different direction, kind of like when a drunkard tries to walk in a straight line. 😉

    #922034

    frummy in the tummy
    Participant

    *I like HOW you…

    (I just realized my post can be read with a different meaning because of the missing word.)

    #922035

    BaalHabooze
    Participant

    “Waiter…I’ll have what frummy in the tummy is drinking!”

    BTW love your subtitle!!! LOL

    L’chaim fitt, L’chaim!

    #922036

    frummy in the tummy
    Participant

    BaalHabooze – L’chaim!

    Thanks!

    It’s people like you that make me feel right at home in the CR!

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