January 22, 2018 6:25 am at 6:25 am #1454177
Joseph probably thinks cultural sensitivity is for goyim. CTLAWYER would probably say choosing a culturally sensitive costume is basic human decency. Gadolhadorah probably thinks wearing an offensive costume should be a punishable crime.January 22, 2018 11:35 am at 11:35 am #1454406iacisrmmaParticipant
IMHO, I don’t think adults should be wearing costumes at all. Children can choose any costume they wish.January 22, 2018 12:15 pm at 12:15 pm #1454431
iac, why do you object to adult men wearing a costume on Purim?January 22, 2018 12:19 pm at 12:19 pm #1454453
Will you be offended if I dress up as RebYidd23? (I would wear a t-shirt saying what my costume is)January 22, 2018 12:20 pm at 12:20 pm #1454456
So iacisrmma, it’s okay if children wear blackface?January 22, 2018 12:36 pm at 12:36 pm #1454477
RY23, of course. Don’t be so politically correct.January 22, 2018 12:52 pm at 12:52 pm #1454491
So if my own opinions happen to overlap with “political correctness”, I have to just do the offensive thing? You sound like a total Jew.January 23, 2018 7:41 am at 7:41 am #1455130ToiParticipant
I think it depends on whether they are actually offensive, like blackface, or dumb things that fairy snowflakes think are offensive.January 23, 2018 7:45 am at 7:45 am #1455137
Why is blackface offensive? It’s whiteface offensive too? Is dressing Chasidish offensive?January 23, 2018 8:39 am at 8:39 am #1455141
RebYidd23 costumes are not only acceptable but welcomed. I’d love to see some RebYidd23s this Purim. A nice RebYidd23 costume consists of a RebYidd23 shirt and a crown.January 23, 2018 8:39 am at 8:39 am #1455139
If you really don’t know why blackface is offensive, GIYF.January 23, 2018 9:14 am at 9:14 am #1455162
Google says it isn’t offensive. Thank you for the suggestion.January 23, 2018 9:17 am at 9:17 am #1455198
Really? Google never talks to me. For me it just links to other sites.January 23, 2018 10:10 am at 10:10 am #1455252
RY23, then you apparently haven’t used Google much. Google often gives the answer itself above the search results.January 23, 2018 10:52 am at 10:52 am #1455270
That’s just a sneak peak to a link.January 24, 2018 9:04 am at 9:04 am #1456104January 24, 2018 10:08 am at 10:08 am #1456212
Dressing Chasidish is not offensive.January 24, 2018 11:30 am at 11:30 am #1456271
The costume isn’t offensive. The sign is. (although I wish it were true… if only I had that kind of money)January 24, 2018 11:44 am at 11:44 am #1456286CTLAWYERParticipant
I have twice submitted comments because Rebbyidd23 tagged me in the original post.
Neither of my comments has posted. Thank you moderators for allowing my ‘probable’ opinion to be posted and my actual opinion to be deleted.February 7, 2018 6:27 pm at 6:27 pm #1465195
My costume is ready! I think it looks cool!
I think it would look good on a human being as well. Maybe I can get some people I know to wear matching to me.February 7, 2018 7:17 pm at 7:17 pm #1465209YW Moderator-💯Moderator
Where is the typewriter?February 8, 2018 11:30 am at 11:30 am #1465541
Obviously I had to put the typewriter down in order to put on the T-shirt.February 13, 2018 10:42 am at 10:42 am #1467666
I thought you’d upgraded to a hi tech electronic keyboard.February 13, 2018 10:58 am at 10:58 am #1467751
It broke 🙁February 13, 2018 12:23 pm at 12:23 pm #1467829zahavasdadParticipant
I got my Joseph CostumeFebruary 13, 2018 12:57 pm at 12:57 pm #1467885Takes2-2tangoParticipant
Would it be culturally; Insensitive to dress up like a n old man if im a young man or like a litvishe yid if im chasdidish etc?February 13, 2018 1:30 pm at 1:30 pm #1467910
The RebYidd23 costume is easier, more culturally sensitive and better than the Joseph costume.February 13, 2018 11:33 pm at 11:33 pm #1468885yehudayonaParticipant
ZD, Joseph wouldn’t wear the earring.February 14, 2018 8:18 am at 8:18 am #1468924mentsch1Participant
At what point is the line drawn between offensive and snowflake.
When I was growing up , we called people oriental. Now you can only use asian. I looked it up a few years ago in the dictionary, and the dictionary had a large entry bemoaning the end of the term (which simply means eastern , the opposite of occidental which means westerners). The dictionary pointed out there is no negative connotations. Yet the word is dead?
In this age of PC there is a concept of “cultural approbation “ if a white celebrity styles their hair into dreadlocks they are somehow racist.
So where is the line drawn? Does a mentsch have to always risk every persons feelings no matter how sensitive?February 14, 2018 9:55 am at 9:55 am #1468994
The word “Oriental” specifically just picked up connotations that people didn’t want to bring up in conversation, so they stopped using the word. Those connotations were not really negative, but they were too strong and not wanted when referring to people. Language changes over time.February 14, 2018 9:55 am at 9:55 am #1468987
If someone asks you to jump through hoops not to offend them, you should take some time to work out the costs and benefits. But if people just don’t want you dressing up as them for Purim, telling mean jokes about them, or making racist comments, you shouldn’t have to question that at all. Anything that lies somewhere in between is something you have to figure out.February 14, 2018 10:05 am at 10:05 am #1469015zahavasdadParticipant
The Dictionary doesnt always account for Slang or intentFebruary 16, 2018 11:36 am at 11:36 am #1470631mentsch1Participant
did you see the article in the times 3 days ago that dealt with the shayla of whether or not dressing up as black panther is considered cultural appropriation or blackface?
one psak was “it’s not quite the same as blackface”
oh, the dilemmas we face in this modern worldFebruary 16, 2018 12:36 pm at 12:36 pm #1470666
I don’t think you’re representing it correctly. That psak was the closest anyone came to comparing it to blackface.February 19, 2018 5:22 pm at 5:22 pm #1472291iacisrmmaParticipant
Joseph: you wanted to know why I thought adults shouldn’t dress up. please see the RAMAH (695:2)February 19, 2018 8:18 pm at 8:18 pm #1472408
By the way, do you guys think it would be funny to wear the goyish Rabbi costumes on Purim?February 19, 2018 8:56 pm at 8:56 pm #1472432Curious1000Participant
Only if they are really over the top. Otherwise it just looks like a bad attempt.February 20, 2018 5:24 am at 5:24 am #1472470
I’m not sure how it looks IRL.March 1, 2018 10:14 pm at 10:14 pm #1479770
People who dressed up as RebYidd23, how did the costume come out?February 12, 2019 8:20 am at 8:20 am #1678015LOTR92Participant
BUMP!!!!February 12, 2019 8:46 am at 8:46 am #16780531Participant
Would you wear blackface in crown heights?February 12, 2019 9:18 am at 9:18 am #1678068
There are 613 shades of grey when it comes to the exercise of common sense in relation to how a Yid should act and relate to others, both other yiddin and goyim. In performing every mitzvah there are opportunities to perform that mitzvah in a quiet and respectful way that is mehader mitzvah and in some cases make a real kiddush hashem (not to devalue the term). However, it seems that a small minority here feel that acting in ways that insult, devalue or demean certain segments of society, in some cases just to troll the “snowflakes” is itself a mitzvah of sorts since the groups they upset in many cases are “leftists”, “kofrim”, “self-hating jews”, “anti-semites”, “Toevahniks” (to coin a term) or various derogatory terms for certain ethnic groups. Some costumes may be funny but still not cross the line. Common sense should be enough but clearly some relish in crossing the line to upset or impose hurt and pain on others. All they do is dig their hole deeper v’hamayvin yavin.February 12, 2019 9:26 am at 9:26 am #1678075
“Gadolhadorah probably thinks wearing an offensive costume should be a punishable crime”.
Absolutely correct. Anyone dressing in a costume such as the Joseph costume depicted in Zahavasdad’s posting which makes him appear like a normal troll that you would be proud if your daughter brought home as a shidduch should be severely punished for imposing such shame and humiliation on all trolls. While the judge should have some discretion in sentencing, a minimum term of 6 months working as a social media intern in Nancy Pelosi’s office would be appropriate starting point.February 12, 2019 10:38 am at 10:38 am #1678141Avi KParticipant
Mentsch, in Israel “Oriental” (מזרחי) refers to Jews from the Eidot haMizrach. What are pejoratives differ according to time and place. At one time “Jew” (as well as “Yid”) was a pejorative whereas the polite words were “Hebrew” and “Israelite”. When Khrushchev became Commissar for Soviet-occupied Poland he was shocked to hear local Jewish Communists refer to themselves as Żydzi as this is extremely offensive in Russian.February 12, 2019 11:08 am at 11:08 am #1678155
Avi K brings up a good point which is problematic across all racial groups but especially in recent years for the Black community. Many black rap and hip hop artists and songwriters claim its perfectly OK for THEM to use offensive racial slurs (aka “N word” etc) but its entirely racist for Whites and others to use the same term. Its a slippery slope when yidden claim its OK for us to engage in our own forms of borderline humor “within the family” but scream “antisemitism” when similar terminology or visuals are appropriated by those we know have hateful intent.February 12, 2019 4:12 pm at 4:12 pm #1678341
It’s slippery both ways.February 13, 2019 1:35 pm at 1:35 pm #1678824yitzykParticipant
A few years ago my family dressed up as “Di Gantza Chad Gadya”. One child was a goat, one was a cow, one was a Shochet, one was a fire. My costume was “the father”, with a bag of Zuzim on my belt. I wore what I thought would depict a biblical-era typical father, available online as “Shepherd”. Just a long robe and a simple head covering held on by rope headband. I like cheap and simple costumes that don’t embarrass me, and can easily be put on and off for entering shul, eating the seudah etc…
I was really surprised while driving through a non-Jewish neighborhood (possibly Bensonhurst?) when some non-Jewish children pointed at me and called out loud to their parent – Look! Its JE*US!
We still get a laugh at that whenever we remember it. I am laughing now.
I haven’t seen THAT costume in the stores yet… I wonder why? Wasn’t he a famous Jew?February 14, 2019 2:00 am at 2:00 am #1679423klugeryidParticipant
So what is wrong with black face?
Isn’t imitation the sincerest form of flattery?February 14, 2019 7:19 am at 7:19 am #1679516Avi KParticipant
Yitzyk, for that matter, in Mea Shearim they sold Xmas decorations as sukka decorations. The residents thought hat Santa was a rav as he had a big white beard.February 14, 2019 9:42 am at 9:42 am #1679541
Klugeryd: Absolutly correct. Throughout history yidden have kvelled when the local media and anti-semitiim published cartoons and posters depicting yidden with very long noses, dark unkempt clothing filling their pockets with coins or performing various horrific acts with local children which cannot be published here. We were flattered by the “imitations”. Please work on your trolling skillls before your next stupid post.
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