November 20, 2011 12:20 am at 12:20 am #600656
What is the proper order for cutting one’s fingernails? I know that they should not be cut in order under any circumstances, but is it necessary to keep to a certain order (and, if so, how do you memorize it)? Why is this important and where is it brought down?November 20, 2011 12:36 am at 12:36 am #829356
Point is to not cut any next to each other. I don’t know the source, but the order is 1,3,5,2,4, 4,2,3,5,1. It’s just skipping one every way, then going back and doing odds, then on the other hand, the same thing.November 20, 2011 12:41 am at 12:41 am #829357
so as long as I don’t cut them in order (from left to right, or vice versa), then I can use any order I want – or is it necessary to stick to this particular order?November 20, 2011 12:42 am at 12:42 am #829358
so as long as I don’t cut them in order (from left to right, or vice versa), then I can use any order I want – or is it necessary to stick to this particular order?
and are you sure – 2,3 is one next to the other…November 20, 2011 12:44 am at 12:44 am #829359hockaroundtheclockMember
Why don’t they just cut dead peoples nails in that order, and let the live people cut them straight?November 20, 2011 1:05 am at 1:05 am #829360
whoops!! NO, that was a mistake! 4,2,5,3,1. THANKS!November 20, 2011 1:08 am at 1:08 am #829361Shticky GuyParticipant
Hock +1 Like!November 20, 2011 2:42 am at 2:42 am #829362
Which hand are the fingernails cut first-right or left?November 20, 2011 4:14 am at 4:14 am #829363
LeftNovember 20, 2011 4:36 am at 4:36 am #829364
The mekor is a RM”A in ohr hachaim simen 260 se’uf 1.November 20, 2011 5:14 am at 5:14 am #829365
Thanks Don’t get me wrong!November 20, 2011 5:57 am at 5:57 am #829366
Why left? I would assume you cut the right hand first. You’re always supposed to do the right side first, for everything.November 20, 2011 7:23 am at 7:23 am #829367QTpie tra la la la laMember
possibly so that the rightside is tumah for less amount of time, before you wash negel wasser.November 20, 2011 8:12 am at 8:12 am #829368
Point. But these things usually don’t really work the way we assume it to be, it’s more al pi kabalah or stuff like that…November 20, 2011 12:52 pm at 12:52 pm #829369sem graduateMember
it’s actually 24135 and 42531…. bidiagah and dibihege….
? = 1
? = 2
? = 3
? = 4
? = 5November 20, 2011 7:04 pm at 7:04 pm #829370genuineMember
????? is for the right hand, ????? for the left. You cut the left hand’s fingernails (or toenails) first.
(Just to clarify)November 20, 2011 7:54 pm at 7:54 pm #829371
I know that they should not be cut in order under any circumstances…
That is a bit strong.
As ‘Dont get me wrong’ pointed out the source is a Rema in OC 260. The Magen Avraham says on the spot that the Arizal would ridicule (??? ?????) the whole concept. Being that this is a matter of Kabbala and the Arizal is arguably the most recognized authority on Kabbala, you can see why there is an argument to be made not to worry about this. The Magen Avraham says it worth being concerned about, even so. The Aruch Hashulchan concludes that “one who cares, cares, and one who doesn’t care, doesn’t care.” Basically do whatever you feel like.
Yankdownunder, Dont get me wrong, Sam2 –
The Aruch Hashulchan writes:
????? ????? ??????? ?? ?? ???? ???? ?? ?? ????, ???? ????? ????? ?????, ????? ???? ?? ????, (?”? ??”?) ??? ????? ????November 20, 2011 9:44 pm at 9:44 pm #829372
Are you saying that kabbalah is a lie c”v?November 20, 2011 9:56 pm at 9:56 pm #829373
I am saying that the Arizal, the preeminent authority of Kabbala, did not hold of this law. So even within the Kabbalistic community this law isn’t held of.November 20, 2011 10:19 pm at 10:19 pm #829374
I see. But many people are stringent about this now, I think.November 20, 2011 10:39 pm at 10:39 pm #829375
Some are and some aren’t. The important thing is not to judge those who aren’t, because they certainly have what to rely on.November 20, 2011 11:07 pm at 11:07 pm #829376
Which is the day you shouldn’t cut, Wednesday or Thursday (and is that evening)?November 20, 2011 11:13 pm at 11:13 pm #829377
Chas v’sholom that I should judge someone. I’m just an aspiring BT. (Besides, how would I know how you cut your nails?) However, I read that cutting them in order from left to right can cause you to forget your learning c”v.
mommamaia22: You shouldn’t cut your nails on Shabbos. You also shouldn’t cut them on a day when by Shabbos they will grow up – i.e., Wednesday. I think we do toenails on Thursdays and fingernails on Fridays, but I could be wrong.November 20, 2011 11:18 pm at 11:18 pm #829378moi aussiMember
We cut left first, because we’re going towards right. Right is our destination, so we start with left and work our way towards right.November 20, 2011 11:26 pm at 11:26 pm #829379
It happens to be a machlokes if that halacha is true, but the answer is Thursday. I would assume Wednesday night inclusive.November 21, 2011 12:06 am at 12:06 am #829380
ThursdayNovember 21, 2011 1:19 am at 1:19 am #829381brotherofursParticipant
i heard once that if you don’t go by kabbalah usually then you don’t have to do this procedure , is that true?November 21, 2011 2:06 am at 2:06 am #829382
Why can’t both toe and finger nails be cut on the same day?
Also….how important is it to “gather” the nails in a tissue and flush them??
My kids freak out when I have to cut their nails… Making sure to catch it in a tissue is a near impossibility. Dividing fingers and toes to two separate days is likewise torturous.November 21, 2011 2:26 am at 2:26 am #829383
Brotherofurs: I have never seen that but it would make sense based on a Rama in another place.November 21, 2011 4:34 am at 4:34 am #829384
mommia22, its written in a few places strongly not to cut both in one day, but the sharei tshuva quotes from someone, that one does not have to be makpid on it. So if its so torturous maybe you can rely on that.
And about ‘gathering’ all the nails, the gemarah in nida says that one that throws it around is called a rasha ch”v. And that if a pregnent women steps on it, its dangarous for the child R”L.November 21, 2011 4:36 am at 4:36 am #829385
Who is right as far the order for first the left hand then right hand when cutting the fingernails-SaysMe in that order of fingernails or the order of fingernails described by real israeli? I am confused who is correct.November 21, 2011 4:49 am at 4:49 am #829386
I learned in sem the same as Israeli.November 21, 2011 4:56 am at 4:56 am #829387
M22: Gathering them up is very important. But you don’t have to catch them in a tissue. Often the most effective way is to cut them right above the toilet and just flush them afterwards.November 21, 2011 5:22 am at 5:22 am #829388cinderellaMember
Do these halachos apply if someone else is cutting your nails for you? Should you tell the manicurist to cut every other nail? And should you only go get a manicure on the days that u are allowed to cut your nails?November 21, 2011 5:22 am at 5:22 am #829389
Yank- Follow real isreali! SaysMe makes mistakes more than once!!November 21, 2011 5:39 am at 5:39 am #829390sem graduateMember
the reason people are makpid about not cutting both finger and toenails on the same day is because that is what they do to a dead person – cut both at the same time. (Except for a lady going to mikva – then she is allowed)November 21, 2011 6:04 am at 6:04 am #829391
It’s not that she’s allowed. A woman is obligated to cut both her toenails and fingernails before she goes to the Mikvah.November 21, 2011 6:50 am at 6:50 am #829392NYBDMember
Is there an issue with clipping nails after Sh’kia?November 21, 2011 8:06 am at 8:06 am #829393HaLeiViParticipant
Another Siman is mentioned by the Drisha and is easier for me to remember: Kashia >> Kmitza Smol Yemin Etzba. That Siman also tells you which hand goes first.November 21, 2011 11:31 am at 11:31 am #829394
It’s a good question, but, I think if you ask a manicurist to cut every other nail (in an order) they’re going to think you’ve lost it.November 21, 2011 11:37 am at 11:37 am #829395old manParticipant
I don’t worry about this issue.November 21, 2011 2:11 pm at 2:11 pm #829396
are you sure – it’s assur to cut nails (both finger & toe) on Thursday? google it.
I think it’s Wednesday b/c then they grew back by Shabbos.November 21, 2011 3:09 pm at 3:09 pm #829397
It’s Thursday because then it begins growing back on Shabbos. They begin growing back in earnest, Al Pi Kaballah, on the third day. And don’t use the word “Assur”. Many might be Noheg not to do it, but there are many Poskim who don’t hold of the whole Halacha. In fact, it’s brought down that because you shouldn’t cut them both on the same day (and that Halacha trumps the 3rd day before Shabbos one) that you should cut your toenails on Thursday and your fingernails on Friday Lekavod Shabbos.November 21, 2011 3:33 pm at 3:33 pm #829398
mik5, the reason is b/c then they grow back on shabbos, but that’s on Thursday. I think toes you’re allowed on Thursday.November 21, 2011 3:40 pm at 3:40 pm #829399tzaddiqMember
is it true you can’t cut nails on motsai shabbat? Someone told me, and I want to confirm.
Also why can’t you cut toes and finger nails same day?
and also is it true cut nails are bad for pregnant ladies to touch?November 21, 2011 3:55 pm at 3:55 pm #829400
I never cut them on Motzai Shabbos because I feel like it’s rude towards Shabbos but there is no Halachic source for that.
The Gemara says that a pregnant woman who walks over clippings can lose her baby. We assume that this is for mystical reasons, but I was once given an excellent practical Pshat. Someone pointed out to me that it was entirely possible that a pregnant woman who stepped on a nail felt like she had just been bitten by a scorpion and lost her baby due to the trauma/fear.November 21, 2011 4:20 pm at 4:20 pm #829401yungerman1Participant
tzaddiq- I believe the problem with cutting nails on Motzei Shabbos is that it shows a lack of kovod to Shabbos. If thet needed to be cut it shouldve been done before Shabbos.
In regards to pregnant women and cut nails, the potential hezek is only if she steps on them in the place where they fell. If they are swept across the room there is no problem. (This is based on a Gemora, I forget where it is)November 21, 2011 5:49 pm at 5:49 pm #829402tzaddiqMember
thank you Sam2 and yungerman1.
I had a neighbour that would save all his cut nails, and that of his family, and burn them with the chometz on erev pesach. What is the source for that?November 21, 2011 5:57 pm at 5:57 pm #829403
Al Pi Kaballah some say to burn everything that was once a part of your body- scabs, nails, hair, etc.November 21, 2011 6:07 pm at 6:07 pm #829404
Saving cut nails for an entire year sounds totally gross!
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