Democrats and Far Left

The title is redundant. Democrats and far left are synonymous.

I don’t think we can stop the tidal waves of immorality but we can speak out against it like Noach did and be saved. To vote for those who support and advance these terribly immoral agendas is a terribly big sin. My question is where is everyone who is supposed to lead us? Only Rav Avigdor Miller zt”l spoke against voting for these evil sinners.

@gh
you’re so amazingly creative, but don’t waste your talent on twisting a logical (albeit cliche to the point of stale), sequential conversation into a pretzel.

Heimishe communities are voting for this Eric Adams!

Here’s only a partial lists of his policies I have not written all the disgusting things he supports:

Abortion: Pro-choice but ban after 3 months

Supports legalization of gay marriage:
Yes

Should gay couples have the adoption right:
Yes

Should the government continue funding Planned Parenthood:
Yes

Should the government RAISE (again) the the minimum wage:
Yes

Should (racist) critical race theory be taught in classrooms?
Yes

Should taxes be increased for the rich to reduce interest rates for student loans:
Yes

Should the president of the US have the power to deploy military troops to stop protests?
No

SHOULD BUSINESSES BE ABLE TO DENY SERVICE TONA CUSTOMER IF THE REQUEST CONFLICTS WITH THE OWNER’S RELIGIOUS BELIEFS?
NO
so not only does he support more immorality he wants to force you to support immorality!

Should the government pay tuition at 4 year colleges and universities?
Yes

Should gender identity be added to anti-discrimination laws?
Yes

Should children of illegal immigrants be granted legal citizenship?
Yes

Should people under 18 recieve “gender-transition” treatments?
Yes

Should drugs be decriminalized?
Yes

There’s way more liberal and immoral, behavior he supports but I cannot rewrite the entire list here.

Hashem yarachem that we vote for such individuals. We are bringing misfortune upon ourselves and placing trust in immoral people instead of in Hashem.

Health, why doesn’t it make a difference? I’m not talking about the outcome, he likely would become mayor regardless of the Jewish votes. But it’s a real chilly Hashem and a vote against Hashem to vote for someone like him. The fact is that whoever votes for him is putting someone in office who will make NYC more immoral than before the people before the flood.

I was referring to black reparations. Manhattan was bought, I think, and you seem to also, judging by the quotation marks.

@Phil
you make good points. if they’re right, I’m with u. but the concept of reparations makes sense (if not in this application); not like what I’ve heard from others.

btw even if blacks did sell other blacks, it’s not a reason to excuse slaveowners from paying the slaves. as to mixed races, etc. the only blacks who (would) deserve reparations are slaves’ descendents.

it’s called inheritance, Phil. if someone owes money to someone and he dies, they pay it to the heirs.

wow wow wow kind of hard to defend myself from this litany of challenges to what I never said nor implied.

Participant, sorry, sorry, sorry! My post come across as blasting. That was totally not my intention. I thought I was simply making statements why reparations don’t apply to blacks in the USA. If you feel attacked, sorry again! I meant simply putting down the facts and I guess it came accross the wrong way. I am upset at the government out of control spending and wokenss of the government of United States and certainly not at you.

Participant, no, it is almost impossible to prove that the descendants of slaves masters assets are from their slave owning ancestors and in most case impossible to prove that people today are descendents of slaves. If there are the few individuals who can prove it both ways, it is only a few individuals and no more who could definitely prove it and would involve expensive investigations as well as courtcases which the average descendant of the slave would not be interested in persuing. And Proof of that that is that blacks will not have to show proof that they are descendents of slaves nor will they have to sue descendents of slaves owners, the reparations will be coming from taxes payed by US citizens (whites and blacks) the vast majority of whom had nothing to do with slavery.

Now I feel silly for apologizing because firstly I don’t think I came accross as bashing you and secondly now you say that people could prove it which contradicts what you said earlier that you never said not implied points that I bought up.

uh, what?
where’s the contradiction?

Health, if you are bringing up the Holocaust because of what I wrote then I want to clarify that I am not excusing at all what the Nazis י”ש did, am I excusing any nor any nation or race who murderers or oppressed people. I spoke about the victims perspective that our mentality as descendants of Holocaust survivors is not mired forever in victimhood (and that’s why the Jews were so successful after the Holocaust while blacks are least successful being they are wallowing in victimhood) and we are not en-masse descending on Europe demanding what is coming to us as descendants of Holocaust victims. That was my point in bringing up the Holocaust.

coffee > got “reparations” technically from מצרים look ​at the midrash

I was thinking about it too – notice that Jews used the reparation idea only in defense against Mitzrim claiming money from us! We remember Mitzraim but not because we are looking for their payoff. Otherwise, every Seder would include a list of things Mitzrim owe to us. We do not. The trap of former slaves may be partially explained by selection: everyone except them (and natives) volunteered to come to America, whether legally or illegally, under duress or lured by the riches, every American packed suitcases and got moving. So, everyone has a certain attitude passed on in their families and was somewhat unusual among their peers. Slaves did not have that and, in addition, all their families were destroyed.

The Yidden in mitzrayim were redeemed slaves, not descendents of slaves. They got payed for THEIR WORK from THEIR MASTERS, not their descendents got payed from their ancestor’s masters descendents! That is stupidity beyond. Almost every race had people who were kidnapped and sold into slavery, blacks were not unique.

coffee addict, yes but the Yisroelim that left Egypt were still slaves themselves as well prior to leaving with their “payments”.

Health, good point. Why do woke people only care about about descendents of black slaves when slavery is still practiced to.a large extent on the African continent by black people themselves and by Arabs?

there are some good anti-reparations arguments presented here , most or all regarding the technicalities.

here is a partial list of ridiculous arguments:
it happened a long time ago
the slaves are dead now
in Asia there’s still slavery going on
there are blacks who enslave blacks (although this may be a good argument to the particular reparation plan)

most important argument for being careful with these issues: it does not matter whether someone deserves reparation in theory, what matters is the public policies that will be enacted in response. And most of those that are proposed are bad for the society and bad for the former slaves.

Here is a simple test to see if someone is sincere: do they support choice in education – vouchers for private schools charter, online – anything that will help at least some poor people to escape bad schools . If they do not (and most unfortunately do not), it means they do not really care about helping these people, but about some other things.