February 1, 2021 12:28 am at 12:28 am #1944137Slimshim1Participant
Everyone got away from the initial question.
Is it possible that they are impeaching Trump because it is the right thing to do? That for generations to come children should see that actions have ramifications? It has nothing to do with them being scared. That said, it’s a bad game plan. They should let him be tried and convicted for his crimes so that he’ll have to campaign from jail like shabsai Tzvi.February 1, 2021 8:03 am at 8:03 am #1944222☕️coffee addictParticipant
That might have been your original question but it sure wasn’t mine (the op)
Reb eliezer has said on a different thread that that’s why he’s getting impeached (so he doesn’t run again) that’s the only reason
Now ctlawyer confirms that’s why he’s getting impeachedFebruary 1, 2021 11:04 am at 11:04 am #1944252
I cannot confirm why Trump is being impeached. I am not inside the majority of House of Representatives minds who voted to impeach.
I believe/feel that since he cannot be removed from office at this point that precluding him from running for any Federal office in the future is important (and can be ordered in an Impeachment trial).
Another important reason for the second impeachment is that with the Republicans no longer in control of the Senate there can be a trial with witnesses who are compelled to testify under penalty of perjury, contempt of Congress, etc, Without the trial some important information about June 6th and its planning may never come to light.February 1, 2021 11:04 am at 11:04 am #1944255MadeAliyahParticipant
Guys, we now have a president who is pro-abortions, loves Palestinians, destroys jobs, signs EOs like they’re autographs and his main concern is… climate change.
Why are we still talking about Donald Trump??February 1, 2021 11:06 am at 11:06 am #1944267
“Is it possible that they are impeaching Trump because it is the right thing to do?”
Any trial where the decision to press charges was made by long time open enemies and at least 75% the judges needed for conviction are long time open enemies too is never the right thing to do and not being done for an altruistic reasons.
“That for generations to come children should see that actions have ramifications?”
I sure never heard Democrats saying such things when it comes to any other crime. To put it mildly The Democrats are only tough on political crimes like “hate” crimes. And a very specific type of hate crime as well. The ruder murder in places like NY and Chicago almost doubled after the BLM riots and Gorge Floyd “police reform.” But that us a complete non issue for Democrats. If the is murder being done by people who vote Democrat and for the non racial motives which Democrat gives a hoot about black lives then? Let alone “that for generations to come children should see that actions have ramifications”?February 1, 2021 12:57 pm at 12:57 pm #1944323hujuParticipant
To smerel: The persons responsible for impeaching (or not impeaching) a president and removing (or not removing) her/him from office are all elected politicians. Politics is built into the process. That means that responsible citizens must figure out, for themselves, whether or not impeachment and removal are appropriate. Based on what I know, I am certain that impeachment and removal are warranted and necessary.February 1, 2021 2:43 pm at 2:43 pm #1944335
Why don’t you go take a 7th grade civics class before spewing inaccuracies
“at least 75% the judges needed for conviction are long time open enemies”
You don’t need a single judge to convict. In fact not a single judge is to be involved in the Senate trial. The members of the Senate sit as Jurors. Because this is not the trial of a sitting President, The Chief Justice of the Supreme Court will not preside, instead Senator Patrick Leahy will be the presiding officer.
75% of ZERO is ZERO….game, set, match.February 1, 2021 2:44 pm at 2:44 pm #1944336
Don’t get your point. End of the day the decision that Trump is “guilty” of and must be tried for insurrection and whatever was made by long time enemies, 75& of the people judging him needed for conviction are long term enemies too.
Therefore I don’t believe there is any altruism or fairness behind this trial. I haven’t seen any response to this point. But for that matter I haven’t seen any convincing arguments that Trump is guilty of insurrection or what not either. Yesterday I was on a liberal political forum where the question was asked “how would you convince someone that Trump is guilty?” There ware about thirty answers. All thirty boiled down to either (1)because I said so or (2)if you don’t take for granted that Trump is guilty then I can’t explain it to to youFebruary 1, 2021 2:54 pm at 2:54 pm #1944346Abba_SParticipant
I am not sure what the Democrats hope to get out of this impeachment. They need 67 senators to vote to convict. 45 senators have already voted that it is illegal to impeach anyone after they are out of office and there are only100 senators. So how are they going to 17 Republican Senators to vote to convict.? This will also make it harder to convict him in a criminal case should they want to.
The big problem for the democrats is that now they are in charge they have to pass the $2,000.00 stimulus package and cure the pandamic by 2022. Otherwise they stand a good chance of losing both houses of Congress.February 1, 2021 2:55 pm at 2:55 pm #1944363
Slim -“You’d never have a post published”
Of course Not.
But the YWN follows the Torah.
The Left Liberals follows Commy Rules – if you don’t comply – we cancel you!
The Next Step is Re-education Camps.February 1, 2021 3:43 pm at 3:43 pm #1944371
Smerel -“Any trial where the decision to press charges was made by long time open enemies and at least 75% the judges needed for conviction are long time open enemies too is never the right thing to do and not being done for an altruistic reasons.”
You’re wasting your time trying to Argue with DemonCrats that don’t believe in the Constitution.
They believe the US should be like China!
Levin, last night, had Judge Starr on his program.
He said this Senate trial is against the Constitution!
That’s why Judge Roberts didn’t preside in the Trial.
The argument that was presented by the Senate DemonCrat Leader – Shumer – about some Secretary of State was a one time thing, because he was trying to evade Justice by resigning.
There’s No comparison to Now!
The Truth is it’s all a Distraction from the Stealing of the Election!
It won’t last much longer – the Truth is about to come out.
That’s why Arizona is doing a Forensic Election evaluation this week!February 1, 2021 5:20 pm at 5:20 pm #1944403
You are wrong on two points
“45 senators have already voted that it is illegal to impeach anyone after they are out of office”
45 Senators voted to table a vote saying the the impeachment trial of a former President was Unconstitutional.
No vote took place to say it was illegal, Unconstitutional does not mean illegal. Illegal must be in contravention to a law, statute or regulation,
This is not the first time a former federal official has been impeached and tried after leaving office.February 1, 2021 5:21 pm at 5:21 pm #1944404
A little accuracy please.
Ken Starr, gave his opinion, other Constitutional scholars disagree with him
John Roberts is NOT Judge Roberts, he is Chief Justice Roberts. T are Justices, not judges. Please give him his due.
The reason Roberts will not preside (it is in the future, not past as you wrote) is because the Chief Justice ONLY preside at the Impeachment Trial of the President of the USA. Not the former President, not a judge, ambassador, postmaster or other federal official. The Senate gets to choose one of its members to preside at all impeachment trials except of the President. Trump is NOT President, thuis no Chief Justice presiding at his trial.February 1, 2021 5:21 pm at 5:21 pm #1944407
when will you stop with your LIES??? the impeachment has nothing to do with June 6.February 1, 2021 5:44 pm at 5:44 pm #1944437
CTLAWYER -“John Roberts is NOT Judge Roberts,
Ken Starr, gave his opinion”
It’s Not Ken Starr – it’s Judge Starr!
Please give him his due!
Hypocrite!February 1, 2021 5:45 pm at 5:45 pm #1944439
Personal question. Why can’t you make your points without such sneering condescension? Is it insecurity or arrogance?
Yes I’m aware that technically speaking the people judging are considered jurors, not judges. Being that they are the ones deciding guilt or innocence for a mostly predetermined punishment, for practical purposes they are judges too. No matter what you call them.February 1, 2021 8:25 pm at 8:25 pm #1944497
Why can’t you post facts and accurate information?
Jurors and judges are not one and the same. Not all trials have jurors. In the court system, a judge can nullify the finding of a jury (not so in an impeachment).February 2, 2021 8:50 am at 8:50 am #1944521torahvaluesoverpartyParticipant
The real reason Trump was impeached-So that Trump haters will forever be able to cry: Trump is the only president to be impeached twice!! Worst president ever!! evereverever!!!
I mean, does anybody believe for one half a second that more than 15% of the senate will actually judge the case, and decide on the merits, impartially? Politics is a complete game at this point…February 2, 2021 8:50 am at 8:50 am #1944519Ben LeviParticipant
Are you honestly trying to make the case that impeachment may be unconstitutional and legal at the same time?February 2, 2021 12:57 pm at 12:57 pm #1944637
Ken Starr is NOT Judge Starr, he stopped being a Judge in 1989
He is Chancellor of a University in TexasFebruary 2, 2021 12:58 pm at 12:58 pm #1944638
This Impeachment is specifically about the events of January 6th. Read the Bill of Impeachment, the incitement of the insurrection/storming of the Capitol is the only charge voted upon by the House of Representatives. You can speculate all you want about other underlying factors.February 2, 2021 12:58 pm at 12:58 pm #1944640
I am explaining that something that is legal may be found Unconstitutional. Legal and Unconstitutional are not mutually exclusive.
Children used to be compelled to recite Christian prayers in public schools (by local regulation, statute, policy, depending on jurisdiction). It was a legal act that was ruled Unconstitutional by the SCOTUS in 1962.
There are many more examples.February 2, 2021 3:02 pm at 3:02 pm #1944740February 2, 2021 4:10 pm at 4:10 pm #1944745
CTlawyer -“This Impeachment is specifically about the events of January 6th. Read the Bill of Impeachment, the incitement of the insurrection/storming of the Capitol is the only charge voted upon by the House of Representatives.”
“I am explaining that something that is legal may be found Unconstitutional. Legal and Unconstitutional are not mutually exclusive”
This is the Law:
Trump didn’t even come close to violating it!
“18 U.S. Code § 373 – Solicitation to commit a crime of violence
(a)Whoever, with intent that another person engage in conduct constituting a felony that has as an element the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against property or against the person of another in violation of the laws of the United States, and under circumstances strongly corroborative of that intent, solicits, commands, induces, or otherwise endeavors to persuade such other person to engage in such conduct, shall be imprisoned not more than one-half the maximum term of imprisonment or (notwithstanding section 3571) fined not more than one-half of the maximum fine prescribed for the punishment of the crime solicited, or both; or if the crime solicited is punishable by life imprisonment or death, shall be imprisoned for not more than twenty years”
So why are the DemonCrats doing this Impeachment?!?
Simply for e/o to Forget how the Presidential election was Stolen from President Trump!February 2, 2021 4:47 pm at 4:47 pm #1944753
can someone explain to me what in heaven’s name trump is scared of? if he’d ask my advice I’d tell him to ignore the whole thing, maybe sleep thru the trial. many
senators think it’s illegal to impeach and will have to acquit. many more will understand the arguments for his innocence without lawyers spelling it out for them. I really thought lawyers were only needed for stupid jurors and for legal technicalities, none of which apply here. instead, trump has 2 lawyers. what gives?February 2, 2021 5:53 pm at 5:53 pm #1944770Reb EliezerParticipant
An article in the Washigton Post appears entitled Trumpism is American Fascism by Michael Gerson.February 2, 2021 9:45 pm at 9:45 pm #1944794☕️coffee addictParticipant
You mean the Washington compost?February 2, 2021 9:46 pm at 9:46 pm #1944796
RE -“An article in the Washigton Post appears entitled Trumpism is American Fascism by Michael Gerson”
Why didn’t you quote from it?
I’ll tell you why – because there’s nothing revealing in it!
I decided to go to it and look for something revealing:
From that article:
“What type of citizen has Trump — and his supportive partisan media — produced? Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) still holds her job in Congress because she is representative of ascendant MAGA radicalism”
Ok, he blames Trump for one lady Congresswoman.
Let’s say it’s True, so Now we can blame Biden & the DemonCrat leadership for Bernie and the Squad!
He also writes that Trump is friendly with Putin and Ergodan and some other Leader in Europe.
Now let’s compare Biden to other countries.
How about China?!?
Rudy claims China gave Joe a Billion Dollars!
Now that’s not just being Friendly, it’s Illegal!!!
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