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    Didn’t the mayoral race in NY prove to you the electioneer are incompetent (or outright try to steal the election)

    If Eric adams didn’t point out the discrepancy they wouldn’t have fixed it


    GH-I’d readily admit that the audit was likely a completely partison audit. But 2 points on that. A)Democrats, as well as many Republican officials in the counties in question, had many chances to launch their own THOUROUGH, and TRANSPARENT audit. But instead they told us to shut up and sit down.
    B)I’ve said this countless times, if they find fraud, they will openly share the evidence, and if they don’t, then they obviously shouldn’t be granted a shred of credibility.
    Health, I don’t have time to watch the video, and even if I did, I think its kind of pointless. I need to be able to see how both sides actively respond to specific claims.


    Absolutely unreal what just came out of Georgia. From VoterGa, the group that is auditing ballots there.
    “The team’s analysis revealed that 923 of 1539 mail-in ballot batch files contained votes incorrectly
    reported in Fulton’s official November 3rd 2020 results. These inaccuracies are due to
    discrepancies in votes for Donald Trump, Joe Biden and total votes cast compared to their reported
    audit totals for respective batches. Thus, the error reporting rate in Fulton’s hand count audit
    is a whopping 60%.
    One type of error discovered involved duplicate results reporting for batches of ballots. The team
    found at least 36 batches of mail-in ballots with 4,255 total extra votes were redundantly added
    into Fulton Co. audit results for the November election. These illicit votes include 3,390 extra
    votes for Joe Biden, 865 extra votes for Donald Trump and 43 extra votes for Jo Jorgenson.
    But it is not simply a case of errors. The VoterGA team found 7 falsified audit tally sheets
    containing fabricated vote totals for their respective batches. For example, a batch containing
    59 actual ballot images for Joe Biden, 42 for Donald Trump and 0 for Jo Jorgenson was reported
    as 100 for Biden and 0 for Trump. The seven batches of ballot images with 554 votes for Joe
    Biden, 140 votes for Donald Trump and 11 votes for Jo Jorgenson had tally sheets in the audit
    falsified to show 850 votes for Biden, 0 votes for Trump and 0 votes for Jorgenson.”
    Now I need to see how election officials over there respond, because there better be a darn good explanation. What I am really curious to know, is what do YWN democrats think of this? Reb E? Ctlawyer? Jackk? Huju?

    Resident Mortal

    There literally a video of ballots being taken in fulton county from under the table after they told the republican watchers that they stopped counting the ballots. can’t link vids here but just google it

    Reb Eliezer

    Gore could have argued on a small difference but he conceded gracefully. Barr, who backed Trump, admitted that he did not see any wide voter fraud. All this audits generate small differences and does not justify the big lie, a stolen election.

    🍫Syag Lchochma

    Reb E – I myself heard Barr say that he would not say that there was no fraud, just that there was no fraudulent programming in the voting machines. He specifically said that he is not commenting on the ballots. If you are going to quote him, at least stick with what he said.

    Reb Eliezer

    Barr said no widespread election fraud (AP).

    🍫Syag Lchochma

    AP did the same word game you did. I checked out the article with the exact quote – that used your version as the title. “To date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election,”

    That’s not the same thing. Not even for pretend.

    And i still claim i heard him say himself that he was not claiming there was no election fraud. It was a video. I’ll look for it.

    Reb Eliezer

    TVOP -“Health, I don’t have time to watch the video, and even if I did, I think its kind of pointless. I need to be able to see how both sides actively respond to specific claims.”

    That’s the problem with you and other Repos.
    If you watch the video from Lindell, all these Audits don’t have to even Start.
    Basically the Video proves beyond a shadow of a doubt, that our Elections by Computer Election Systems are Comprised!
    So you Repos have to Stop being on the Defensive and Start being on the Offense!

    I posted previously – I blame Trump – he should have declared Martial Law right after the election.
    If the Army Intelligence would come out, in a one of a million chance, that Biden won the election, Trump would give over the reigns.
    But you see, how the DemonCrats reacted to Jan. 6.
    They were very obsessed with that Incident & still are.
    Now if you tell me, that they care about people breaking Federal Law, how come they didn’t Prosecute any Leftists all during 2020-2021, when they broke Federal Law all over the Place?!?

    The real reason is – they are Dead Scared that the Population will find out that they Stole the 2020 Presidential Election!

    Resident Mortal

    Lets be honest here. All this auditing is just confirmation to what everyone already knows. Democrats cheated, period. The second the battleground states stopped counting on election night everyone with half a brain knew that they were fixing the election and the cheating has started. Your either a democrat or an idiot (I’m repeating myself) if you think that this past election was an honest election.

    Reb Eliezer

    RM, if they are meshuga, I don’t have to follow them. Vehoyiso meshuga is not a mitzva.
    They all said that, even if there was fraud. the result would have not changed. Biden won by a too big margin to make a difference.

    🍫Syag Lchochma

    “They all said that, even if there was fraud. ”

    Ahh, finally the story mirrors reality. Good for you. Anyone else willing to join him?

    emes nisht sheker

    It is pathetic…

    Barr says a statement that is bounded by the rules of logic and people here need to point out that he only said he has seen no evidence of widespread fraud. If he said there was no widespread fraud, that would be a logically impossible statement to make as you cannot prove a negative. What he said is the highest assurance you can ever really give about something.

    Can you prove there are no unicorns? Or can you only say that you have not seen evidence of unicorns. This is pretty basic.

    On the other hand, you all get worked up about people claiming there is fraud, despite lack of evidence. If there was evidence, then Barr’s statement would be wrong. So which is it? Is Barr lying or telling the truth? If he did not see this evidence, then chances are you and no one making these claims has seen this evidence either. Meaning the claims about widescale fraud are logically flawed. To expect Barr to make a similarly logically flawed statement is ridiculous. His words, completely undermine any such claim of widescale fraud because you cannot make that claim without evidence, of which there is none that has held up under any level of scrutiny.

    If you jump to conclusions without evidence, you are just a liar. You can say, there might have been fraud or you believe there is fraud, but can’t prove it, but be honest that it is based on your own suspicions and you lack the evidence.

    As to the constant claims of evidence of fraud, one after another they have all be shown to not be evidence of fraud. Yet, you come up with one after another. You even rehash disproven ones once your short-term memory forgot the explanation why it is not evidence of fraud. There comes a point where responding to nonsense is pointless. Rather, it should simply be stated, all of you making these claims about widescale fraud are liars. You are acting in a contemptible manner. You would pursue lies that divide people and lead to strife. God hates lies and yet you are engaging in them day in and day out. We are in July and you still are pursuing these lies. How about give it a rest and move on with your lives rather than acting contemptibly by continuing with these lies.

    🍫Syag Lchochma

    You should do fillibustering as a side hustle. Lots of words, no relevant content…

    🍫Syag Lchochma

    It happens on other threads and with other posters as well but never ceases to amaze me when people are nasty and use name calling, insults and exagerrated claims to let people know they are being devicive.

    Reb Eliezer

    emes nisht sheker, about unicorns according to the Midrash it was the tachash:

    ילקוט שמעוני תורה פרשת תרומה רמז שסד
    אומר היה רבי מאיר תחש שהיה בימי משה בריה בפני עצמו היה ולא הכריעו בו חכמים אי מין חיה הוא אי מין בהמה הוא וקרן אחת היתה לו במצחו לפי שעה נזדמן לו למשה ועשה ממנו משכן ונגנז. מדקאמר קרן אחת היתה במצחו שמע מינה טהור היתה דאמר רב יהודה שור שהקריב אדם הראשון קרן אחת היתה לו במצחו שנאמר ותיטב לה’ משור פר מקרין מפריס, וליפשוט מינה דמין בהמה הוא
    כיון דאיכא קרש דמין חיה הוא ולית ליה אלא חד קרן איכא למימר מין חיה הוא

    Reb Eliezer

    emes nisht sheker as your name indicates, I agree whole heartedly and you can’t prove that there was no unicorn because there was as posted.


    RE -“They all said that, even if there was fraud. the result would have not changed. Biden won by a too big margin to make a difference.”

    Not True!
    Not Lindell & Ramsland and Not the Real Right Wingers!
    Well the ones who said that – are Repos & Liars!
    Trump won the 2020 Presidential Election and Stop Denying it.
    He won by a Landslide.
    The Libs & the DemonCrat Leadership were planning this after they couldn’t get him out of office – from their First Impeachment!

    Reb Eliezer

    Health, I would like to stop this stupidity. Biden got 7 million more popular votes, When it comes to electoral college, 306 to 232. If I gave you Arizona (11), Georgia (16), Trump still lost. If adding
    Wisconsin (10) makes it even at 269.

    Reb Eliezer

    Where is the landslide?


    A couple of thoughts:
    1. The general low intellectual level of Democrats prevents them from recognizing the irony of Trump and his supporters’ reaction to the election of 2020 being the same reaction of Democrats to the 2016 election.
    2. While there certainly was fraud and hanky-panky in the election (election fraud is a well established, one might even say traditional, practice of the Democratic Party), Trump’s reaction was wrong and divisive. What he should have done was to emulate the reaction a previous great Republican President. The Presidential election of 1960 was so obviously rigged that late night television comedians made jokes about it. But the losing candidate, Richard M. Nixon, decline to contest the results, even against the urging of his supporters and legal team. His reason was that he felt such action would be excessively divisive and would damage the unity of the nation. He felt that the body politic of the Nation was more important than his vanity. Would that President Trump have followed President (eventually) Nixon.


    RE -“Health, I would like to stop this stupidity. Biden got 7 million more popular votes, When it comes to electoral college, 306 to 232. If I gave you Arizona (11), Georgia (16), Trump still lost. If adding
    Wisconsin (10) makes it even at 269.”

    Yes stop this Stupidity and Start telling the Truth!
    Are you a born Liar?
    What about Nevada and Pennsylvania and Michigan?!?

    Reb Eliezer

    The difference is big, Michigan, 150,000 (10), PA 80,000 (20) and NV ~ 15,000 but 6 electoral votes.

    Reb Eliezer

    Health, whoever faults with his own faults.

    Reb Eliezer

    Should be above, whoever faults, faults with his own faults.

    emes nisht sheker

    Sad… Point out the logical inconsistency of demanding one standard from the other side and not holding yourself to that standard as well and it naturally reverts to being insulted. Fine, get it, you don’t want to be bothered with logic, you would rather spend your days reaffirming your biases. This is not an argument but rather a pathetic rehashing of lies with you and others promoting these lies sitting there like little kids with your finger in your ears and waggling your tongue saying don’t confuse us with the facts.

    🍫Syag Lchochma

    What’s really sad is that you popped in to the conversation but forgot to read it so you went off on a full page criticism of the wrong topic! That wasn’t the point we were discussing at all.


    RE -“whoever faults, faults with his own faults”

    Does that apply to you also or only to me?

    “The difference is big, Michigan, 150,000 (10), PA 80,000 (20) and NV ~ 15,000 but 6 electoral votes.”

    That’s why I said -“He won by a Landslide.”
    Those states should have gone to Trump.

    Why do you keep repeating the DemonCrat’s Lies?!?
    We all know how the DemonCrats stole the 2020 election.
    If you really are interested in the Truth, go watch Lindell’s Documentary!
    But I think that you like living in your World of Sheker.

    Reb Eliezer

    Health, maybe you live in the world of sheker? The Hungarians say, one sparrow (Lindell who makex good pillows, should leave elections to others) does not summer make.

    Reb Eliezer

    Health, what you believe is conjecture and conspiracies. No proof has been offered.


    Reb e again, I would love to know what you make of what has come out of Georgia and Arizona the past few days. Pls don’t just ignore the question again, and repeatedly claim, “no proof…” “Conspiracy theorists…”


    what came out of Georgia and Az over the past few days?

    emes nisht sheker

    Apparently in Georgia the auditors could not find anything because they did not have the “admin” passwords. Guess not having the necessary access to change the data that they are auditing is making their life difficult (fyi, auditors should almost never have access to admin credentials on production systems, it would make the audit less than meaningless as you would have to then audit the auditors to make sure they did not change data). Imagine if the police could legally plant evidence, how easy it would be to lock people up.


    Oh, as to Syag, my statements were very clear, no deception involved. Your intent was clear, to hold those saying no election fraud (or evidence of widescale fraud) to a different standard than those claiming fraud. That is dishonest. All the emojis don’t change that. No evidence of widescale fraud, makes this whole ongoing discussion with people pushing this fraud lie, kind of despicable. How dishonest do you have to be to keep on pushing this?

    🍫Syag Lchochma

    “Your intent was clear, to hold those saying no election fraud (or evidence of widescale fraud) to a different standard than those claiming fraud”

    Uh… nope. Sorry.

    And the stupidity of your blind hatred is that I’ve never supported a stolen election. So you are wasting your spittle on me when you could be stalking more looney posters.

    🍫Syag Lchochma

    Let’s see if breaking it down works

    Illustration removing trigger-topics

    Scientist: i have not found enough bacteria in the food samples to cause death

    Listener: the scientist just said that there is no bacteria in the food samples

    Me: No, he just said it wasn’t enough to cause death.


    Reb Eliezer

    Syag, Very good Illustration. There was not enough fraud to change the result of the election.

    🍫Syag Lchochma

    Exactly. But democrats here seem hesitant to admit there was any fraud at all, or any mass attempts at submitting serious numbers of fraudulent votes. And nobody has actually ruled on that. I don’t understand the resistance to admitting this. Pretending the democrats didn’t do everything in their power, legal or not, to keep trump out if office is equally as delusional.


    ENS -“Barr says a statement that is bounded by the rules of logic and people here need to point out that he only said he has seen no evidence of widespread fraud”

    That’s because he didn’t look!
    The fact he’s a Regular Lying Lawyer that never or almost never was involved in prosecution!
    He relied on his subordinates.
    You can’t trust anything coming out nowadays from the Justice Dept.
    Why do I say this?
    Remember Comey & his band of crooks?
    The FBI is part of the Justice Dept.!

    emes nisht sheker

    Why would anyone entertain notions of mass fraud without evidence, just because Syag wants Democrats to entertain that possibility? Maybe we should entertain notions that Republicans tried committing mass fraud and just were not caught. No one ruled that out either. You are promoting baseless conspiracy… But of course you don’t say the election was stolen, rather you will just suggest that people entertain conspiracy. You are just being duplicitous.

    Health – sorry, I believe I responded to your comments in the past but you tend to just go on a rant about the next thing the moment your point is undermined. I see no point in arguing with you.


    Can we work on the moris ayn principle here? Why not try to have an election that has less chances of being SEEN as fraudulent? this will benefit everyone.

    We already have some such features, like electoral college: accusations are limited to several close states rather than whole country. I think last time Cook County could have cooked their books to affect Presidential was during Kennedy-Nixon …

    there are (were) others – most voting on the same day, paper ballots – that are now being disregarded and the risk of having election revolt is too high to have. Maybe Democrats can agree to a risk of some of their illiterate voters not voting without extensive help to safeguard the integrity of the voting system.

    🍫Syag Lchochma

    So I’m understanding that you switched targets because you realized you made a mistake in your original attack.
    Apology accepted.

    emes nisht sheker

    AAQ – how can you have an election that is seen less fraudulent, when the people promoting fraud, before the election said that if Trump loses it must be fraud (Those were essentially Trump’s own words). There is nothing that can be done to prevent anyone from jumping to conclusions.

    In fact, virtually all the fraud claims being made are not fixed via any of the voter laws being made. How does a law that restricts voting, change claims that fake ballots are showing up afterwards? How does it change claims that dead people or people not living in the State voted, when in fact those making the claims either did not understand the data they were looking at or they were just making stuff up? How will any voter ID law, affect technical issues with votes being posted online? Clearly, people have no problem making ignorant claims that are nonsensical and have been debunked, yet they still repeat them, so why would a law change make a difference?

    Whether I am for or against stricter voting laws is irrelevant here, because until you or anyone can show how those voting laws address the voting fraud claims it is not going to solve anything. There is a reason why many assume those voting laws are just designed to make it more difficult for certain people to vote and not to deal with voting fraud concerns.


    ENS -“Why would anyone entertain notions of mass fraud without evidence…Health – sorry, I believe I responded to your comments in the past but you tend to just go on a rant about the next thing the moment your point is undermined. I see no point in arguing with you.”

    Of course you won’t post to me because you live in some sort of Socialist Utopia!

    Why do you keep posting that there is No Evidence?
    There’s plenty of Evidence.
    Go watch Lindell’s Documentary and you’ll see tons of evidence of Massive Fraud that took place in the 2020 Presidential election.
    As a Matter of Fact, you can then come back here & I’m willing to discuss it with you.


    ENS I can copy paste, or you can simply scroll up to my previous post. The fraud extends well far past not having some admin passwords. Just please stop ignoring my posts, your responses are making it obvious that you are doing so. But you mentioned the admin passwords. In February, a judge ordered Maricopa to turn over the ballots, machines, and election data. March 11th, 37000 login queries were made to the Maricopa election system deleting all prior login data. Maricopa County destroyed election data after it was subpoenaed….Why? Maricopa County responded to some of the fraud claims made by Cyber Ninjas but have glaringly avoided most of the accusations. In Georgia there have been no answers whatsoever. And since you guys mentioned Bill Barr, it’s worth noting that there were many election officials there who until now have criticized Trump and those alleging fraud. Now they are calling for people to be fired, and for a full forensic audit to be conducted.
    Reb E exactly how much fraud are you willing to admit? Has that number changed by what has been revealed recently?


    emes > people promoting fraud, before the election said that if Trump loses it must be fraud

    You may not convince some people, but there are always moderate reasonable people – like me, who can be either convinced or at least pacified not to protest. I try not to pay attention to all protestation because these are like one witness in beis din – what do you do with that unverified information? But there are some things that can be improved or should not have happened.
    Surely, all changes made in the name of pandemic raise suspicion. Just making election a multi-day affair is a force multiplier for the activists: in one day, they can approach so many people. in 10 days – 10 times more.

    All the polls that were claimed to be “suppression” are now evaluated to be worst in 20-40 years – 4-5% towards Biden and Ds in general. So, claim confirmed, the question is only whether it is mazid or not.

    Pfizer delay of vaccine results after election: I ran numbers this way and that and I do not see what was the reason for the delay. The only charitable explanation is that someone strongly preferred to have a sample larger than initially agreed to exclude a chance of data looking not-so-good.

    Suppressing NY Post article about Hunter, while at the same time not disclosing (both officially and not) fact of active investigation.

    Making fun of Trump for blaming virus on Chinese and now agreeing that this is reasonable.

    Not challenging Biden on what exactly is his Federal plan is to distribute vaccine better. (He still keeps it secret while vaccination rates declined).

    All together this creates a very bad vibe of unfairness that enables even craziest conspiracy theories. It might be better for moderate Dems to make some conciliatory steps and admit some problems.

    Reb Eliezer

    Trump saying, he won with a landslide is a stupidity. As we pointed out before, there is always some fraud but not enough to make a difference in this election. PA – 80,000 mostly Democrat, Michigan -150,000 too big. Nevada mainly Democrat. The difference might be
    Arizona – 11 electoral votes, Georgia – 16 electoral votes, Wisconsin – 10 electoral votes would make it even at 269. 306 – 37 = 269. He needs to reverse three states to become even. What is the probability?


    Reb E, if you are admitting that the democrats may have stolen even one state, is it so crazy-conspiracy theorist level-to suggest other states have been stolen as well, even if the margins are much bigger? If they figured out how to swing 10,000 votes, they can figure out how to swing 100,000. Reb E, you are avoiding the question. Has the recent revelations changed your view on the election at all? Are you in fact admitting 1 or 2 states may have been stolen?

    emes nisht sheker


    Changes made for the Pandemic – many of these changes were made in Republican controlled states. To suggest they were intended to benefit the Democrats does not seem right.

    No clue what you mean by polls that were claimed to be suppression, so can not respond to that.

    Pfizer, Hunter, etc… You can believe what you want. It is a clear fact that in 2016, Comey put out info on the investigation of Hillary. It is a clear fact, that Trump wanted Ukraine to announce they were investigating Biden. Seems clear to me that Trump believed he benefitted from that story with Hillary in 2016 and was hoping for an investigation announcement to help him in 2020. Trump also paid to suppress stories that could hurt him in 2016 and people got in serious trouble over this. So if you want to suggest any of this is fraud or unfairness, well look at 2016, where the FBI itself put out info that interfered with the election in favor of Trump.

    TVP – trusting CyberNinjas on anything they say without vetting their claims extensively is ridiculous. They either have deliberately lied about the election process or they are clueless about it and should not be auditing here. They also have asked for inappropriate things to conduct an audit. So basically, I see no need to respond in detail as there is nothing substantive put out by them that anyone should trust in the first place.


    RE -“Trump saying, he won with a landslide is a stupidity. As we pointed out before, there is always some fraud but not enough to make a difference in this election”

    The fact that you’re not even willing to look at the evidence, shows that you Treat the DemonCrat Party like an Avodah Zora.
    Stop with your posting that the Election was Honest.
    A lot of posters here don’t believe that!
    You’re Not going to convince those people that they’re Wrong!
    All you’re doing is Convincing yourself and other DemonCrats that your DemonCrat Leadership would never do such a thing!

    I can’t convince you to become a Honest Person, but you can open your eyes and watch Lindell’s Documentary & see for Yourself!
    If you have any questions on it, I’m willing to try to answer them.
    But you DemonCrats have made up your minds Beforehand!

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