December 14, 2020 2:00 pm at 2:00 pm #1928499
My Israeli mishpacha tell me that they are angry with Trump – whom they previously considered a friend of Israel – because he issued an order delaying or cancelling Pfizer’s shipments of Covid-19 vaccine to Israel.
I thought I saw two or three articles in YWN about pending – or completed – shipments to Israel from the US, but now I cannot find those articles, though I searched back to December 9. Has anybody heard about this? Didn’t YWN have a few articles about shipments of vaccine to Israel? Or have I lost my mind?December 14, 2020 3:14 pm at 3:14 pm #1928526Reb EliezerParticipant
Arutz Sheva says that the vaccine is held back in Belgium, not giving a reason why.December 14, 2020 3:14 pm at 3:14 pm #1928531ujmParticipant
President Trump, being the great friend of Israel he is, sent an expedited shipment of vaccines to Israel.
But many Israelis are refusing to take the vaccine until it is proven by seeing the results of millions of people who took it first.December 14, 2020 7:12 pm at 7:12 pm #1928563
Trump tried to but Baruch HaShem the moral degenerate backstabber lacks the authority. He wants to dictate what every private company does but can’t. The US is a free market capitalist state not a fascist state.December 14, 2020 7:12 pm at 7:12 pm #1928566
“sent an expedited shipment of vaccines to Israel.”
Trump doesn’t have vaccines to ship. They are owned by Pfizer, a private company.December 14, 2020 7:13 pm at 7:13 pm #1928581
Trump has asked Pfizer to hold off on ANY shipments of the vaccine to foreign countries until they can at least deliver the required numbers to U.S. His executive order to that effect was very vague and Pfizer has refused to answer any questions about how they are going to deal with their contractual commitments under terms of the Trump EO. He could threaten to use the Defense Production act to negate those foreign contracts but the matter would certainly be challenged in court.December 14, 2020 9:21 pm at 9:21 pm #1928613TGIShabbosParticipant
Huju, I’m going to guess that your Israeli mishpacha were always angry with Trump, nothing new with this caseDecember 14, 2020 11:01 pm at 11:01 pm #1928625som1Participant
“Trump doesn’t have vaccines to ship. They are owned by Pfizer, a private company.”
trump(usa) actually bought in advance a large amount of vaccines so yeh they are trumps(USA) vaccine not Pfizer, but nice tryDecember 15, 2020 1:14 am at 1:14 am #1928637
“trump(usa) actually bought in advance a large amount of vaccines so yeh they are trumps(USA) vaccine”
Idiot. They have not been delivered to Trump.
And Trump was in fact trying to prevent vaccines from being shipped to Israel (or anywhere else). But Pfizer has worldwide manufacturing. Yet another reason to support globalization, which Trump hates.December 15, 2020 8:56 am at 8:56 am #1928712Cool yidParticipant
Why would a nice guy like Trump do that? 🇬🇧 for Trump. 🇬🇧 for 🇮🇱December 15, 2020 10:27 am at 10:27 am #1928741Avram in MDParticipant
Wow, don’t you think the petty name calling is beneath you?December 15, 2020 10:50 am at 10:50 am #1928748
I think Charlie was referencing the idiot allegedly trying to hold up the shipments of vaccines already contractually obligated, not any of our posters.December 15, 2020 11:07 am at 11:07 am #1928757
The same “idiot” who for months has done all he can to discredit his own public health experts and scientists who have been trying to minimize the rate of infection pending the widespread availability of vaccines. Even now, he is screaming “its MY vaccine” as if he was personally toiling in the labs 24×7. He should get credit for accelerating the normally slow and bureaucratic approval process but much of those benefits were offset by his denigration of fact-based public health measures to slow the rate of infection.December 15, 2020 11:26 am at 11:26 am #1928771jdf007Participant
We have a lot of fantasy in this thread. Why do people fantasize negative conversations with Trump is beyond me.
If anything Pfizer is on record of being a little tantrum-like when it comes to Trump. Very bizarre comments about Operation Warp Speed. I’m sure they’ll still cash the check.December 15, 2020 12:01 pm at 12:01 pm #1928781
Pfizer has definitely had “issues” with the Trumpkopf since he originally went after them for correctly denying their relationship with Warp Speed and they commercial arrangements they had negotiated. (He was infuriated they did not genuflect in his direction for their vaccine commercialization efforts). Same for their insistence on NOT committing to releasing premature results and filing for an EUA prior to the election to avoid politicizing the vaccine. They were right on both counts as confirmed by Dr. Scott Gottleib , Trump’s former FDA Commissioner and now a Board member of Pfizer.December 15, 2020 2:43 pm at 2:43 pm #1928862Avram in MDParticipant
“I think Charlie was referencing the idiot allegedly trying to hold up the shipments of vaccines already contractually obligated, not any of our posters.”
While that was a nice attempt at a limmud zechus and pivot, his insult was clearly directed at the poster he was quoting.December 15, 2020 3:22 pm at 3:22 pm #1928880
To TGIS: Why are you guessing about my Israeli mishpacha’s opinion of Trump? I told you they liked him before they heard about the alleged vaccine cut-off. If you don’t believe me, say so directly; don’t be a weasel.December 15, 2020 3:44 pm at 3:44 pm #1928882
To som1: There is a difference between the US and its president. They are not the same thing, they do not own the same things, and the president does not have the power, without some specific authorization, to sell anything the US owns. And, no, neither Trump the president, nor Trump the human being (giving him the benefit of the doubt) does not now nor ever had any vaccine to sell to anybody.December 15, 2020 4:55 pm at 4:55 pm #1928889
Correct. The idiot is the fascist moral degenerate in the WH.December 15, 2020 8:20 pm at 8:20 pm #1928912
Charlie: But tell us how you really feel…December 15, 2020 8:22 pm at 8:22 pm #1928924Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant
Gadol: Pfizer has definitely had “issues”
This is a typical business case: many (smaller) companies accept government funding for R&D, giving government certain rights in return. Larger companies prefer keeping their IP by paying for R&D and then (gladly) accept government funds for “testing”, “integration” and other activities that presume that product already exists. They do get often paid more than those companies that share IP with the government, but they often leverage their size and relationship with government personnel, who might be interested in joining a board in the future (see your example).
In this case, Pfizer accepted early pre-orders. You can easily get confused by news dis-information. Today, NYT reported the role of US gov – when they switched from dissing Trump for not getting enough vaccines to complaining that developing countries will not have enough vaccines because …. US and other rich countries order too much. Specifically they say – EU ordered 2x over their population; US ordered 4x. US is getting priority shipment because it was
(1) first to pre-pay all major vaccines. EU, etc followed this idea after
(2) paying for R&D for several companies. Canada has a parliamentary inquiry why they paid early for Moderna, but are getting it after US. Answer: clause in funded R&D or/and US executive order
as to your other point, I am not clear why Pfizer did not report preliminary reports before election. Original plan was to wait, I think, for 32 infected, and then, it was switched to 64 and “by the time they looked”, there were 90+. Report that I read was deliberately vague who increased the number, but it sounds more like FDA. Possible that Pfizer was happy to go along as reporting with less results increased risk of getting bad numbers, even if they did not have political motivation.December 16, 2020 8:10 am at 8:10 am #1929023Avi KParticipant
The vaccines are here and more are on the way. The problem was transport and storage at super-low temperature (less than -70C/-94F).December 16, 2020 8:52 am at 8:52 am #1929084jdf007Participant
To charliehall, and congrats, instead now you have a guy who is appointing anti-semities left and right to WH positions (what are we up to, 4,5, 6? I lost count) , which at least distract us from his moral degeneracy (ie perversions and crookedness). That’s a win right?
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