Dirty Tissues in Shul
Home › Forums › Tefilla / Davening › Dirty Tissues in Shul
- This topic has 59 replies, 28 voices, and was last updated 9 years, 7 months ago by golfer.
June 3, 2012 2:02 am at 2:02 am #603653
If there in no nearby garbage bin, where should a used tissue be placed during davening?
If it is Shabbos, it is prohibited to place it in your pocket (if there is no eruv), as you may forget and carry it.June 3, 2012 3:13 am at 3:13 am #984954147Participant
Utilize a regular hanky, and put it in the back of your Tallis bag, or in your box by your Mokom Kovu’a in Shul.June 3, 2012 3:34 am at 3:34 am #984955
a tissue can also be put in the back of your Tallis bag, its miyus when they are left on the table or worse under a siddur or sefer that someone else will use later.June 3, 2012 3:37 am at 3:37 am #984956The FrumguyParticipant
I put mine under my tallis bag until the end of davening or until I can get to the back of shul to throw it out in the garbage can.
I also find it quite disgusting (for lack of a better word) for mispalelim to leave it on the table to have it glaring me in the fase during davening and many times “forget” to take it out after davening.
Yasher Koach for bringing it up L’Ma’an Kedushas Beis Hakneses.June 3, 2012 3:41 am at 3:41 am #984957notwhouthinkiamMember
find a garbage can and put them in its disgusting to leave them on the tableJune 3, 2012 3:49 am at 3:49 am #984958
What if the person is single or otherwise doean’t have a talis bag? (Or is a woman.)
The question pertains when there is no readily available garbage bin. (At least not without pushing through dozens of mispallelim to get there.)June 3, 2012 4:13 am at 4:13 am #984959
bring a small garbage bin (or a table shtender)June 3, 2012 4:16 am at 4:16 am #984960147Participant
Everyone is Mechuyov to wear a Tallis; For a single not to wear a Tallis Godol Chas v’Sholom, is a discrimination on grounds of marital status, not to mention, what numerous Shaalos this would have caused last week vis a vis Berocho on Tallis Koton for someone who was up all Shovu’os nite.June 3, 2012 8:30 am at 8:30 am #984961
There is no excuse. If I put my snotty tissues in the trash, you can too. It is miyus and assur to davin in front of a used tissue. I can’t imagine a normal person doing such disgusting things; it just ekels me.June 3, 2012 3:25 pm at 3:25 pm #984962PatriMember
I have the same problem. No talis bag and no eruv (so can’t put in pocket.) The garbage is near the hallway and I would have to trip over 25 people in middle of davening to get there. (Some of them in middle of shemone esrei sometimes.)
So I put it on the table near the guy sitting across from me. Just kidding. I put it near me.June 3, 2012 4:53 pm at 4:53 pm #984963
…and then there were two…June 3, 2012 5:15 pm at 5:15 pm #984964HealthParticipant
Chulent – Use your sleeve to wipe. That’s what e/o did until Napoleon put buttons on them. Now you know how the style of buttons on jackets started.June 3, 2012 5:18 pm at 5:18 pm #984965
If you know there’s no Eruv and you don’t have a Tallis bag, why not put a bag near your seat before Shabbos so you can put your tissues in them on Shabbos?June 3, 2012 5:23 pm at 5:23 pm #984966on the ballParticipant
chulent: what is your source for your statement that you are not allowed to put things in your pockets on shabos?
If you are deriving it from the halochoh that you are supposed to check your pockets before Shabos, I would argue that possibly there the chashah pertains to items that have been there for a week and you have completely forgotten about.June 3, 2012 5:45 pm at 5:45 pm #984967apushatayidParticipant
Well, even the sleeve is disgusting because everyone has to see it. Use your shirt sleeve or the inside of your jacket where it is hidden from view. Better yet, use your yarmulka and put it back on your head.June 3, 2012 6:19 pm at 6:19 pm #984968
OneOfMany troll’s name’s start with ‘C’.June 3, 2012 6:44 pm at 6:44 pm #984969
This is the most blatant case of type #3 that we’ve had here, I think.June 3, 2012 11:49 pm at 11:49 pm #984970pcozMember
– Russian soldiers had rows of buttons sown onto their sleeves to stop them wiping their noses on them
– ?? ?? ?? ???? ?????? ???? ????? ?? ?? ????… ??? ?? ?? ????… ?????? ??? ?? ??? ???? ????? ?????
– Reb Moshe z”l would pick up tissues he saw lying about on the floor in the yeshiva (during the week) and put them in his pocketsJune 4, 2012 12:00 am at 12:00 am #984971
chulent: what is your source for your statement that you are not allowed to put things in your pockets on shabos?June 4, 2012 12:57 am at 12:57 am #984973
M.O.: I’ve never seen such a thing in any of the many shuls I’ve davened in.June 4, 2012 1:25 am at 1:25 am #984974
M.O.: I’ve never seen such a thing in any of the many shuls I’ve davened in either……In regard to the tissues PATRI please stop I may be the guy sitting next to you and i can tell you its miyus…perhaps just bring a bag or something to shule you can put your garbage inJune 4, 2012 12:57 pm at 12:57 pm #984976
I’ve been thinking about this all night, and I’m very hesitant about it, but I have a feeling that in this case one might be allowed to put the tissues in your pocket because Gadol Kavod Habriyos…June 4, 2012 1:32 pm at 1:32 pm #984977susheeMember
And if you forget it and carry it?June 4, 2012 2:08 pm at 2:08 pm #984978takahmamashParticipant
I dunno – grew up in an area where there was no erev, and nobody seemed to have a problem remembering to check his/her pockets before leaving the shule. I guess you could say it was an ingrained habit.June 4, 2012 4:58 pm at 4:58 pm #984979HealthParticipant
apushatayid -“Well, even the sleeve is disgusting because everyone has to see it.”
Wipe on the backside of the jacket which doesn’t face others.June 4, 2012 6:06 pm at 6:06 pm #984980frummy in the tummyParticipant
In this case placing the tissue in tht trash bin, or bringing a bag to place it in and removing it after shabbos is assur. There is a chiyuv to drop the tissue on the floor, or at least to leave it on the table, so as to provide parnassah to the goyim. Although only the goyim are allowed to have lowly jobs like being a janitor, it is important to provide them with opportunities to get zchusim to be avadim for the times of mashiyach by servicing yidden now. In a b’diyeved situation, you may bring your own bag to place the tissues in, but make sure to leave the bag on the table when you leave, and one should wipe the tissues on the handle of the bag before inserting them so as to provide a siman for the future generations.June 4, 2012 11:43 pm at 11:43 pm #984981
The only effective remedy for this crisis is that shul’s strategically place many trashbin’s throughout the shul near all the tables. In the absence of this solution, worshippers will feel compelled to continue placing their nasal mucus on the table, for lack of any viable alternative.June 5, 2012 12:19 am at 12:19 am #984982
Sushee: Don’t forget. And if someone does actually forget, then they’re a Misasek.June 5, 2012 12:35 am at 12:35 am #984983
Whoa, four!June 5, 2012 12:59 am at 12:59 am #984984
Did anybody ever notice the people who get a username just to post on one troll thread and then theyre gone?June 5, 2012 1:01 am at 1:01 am #984985
Naysberg – “The only effective remedy for this crisis is that shul’s strategically place many trashbin’s throughout the shul near all the tables.”
I assure you Naysberg your solution is doomed to failure because a slob is always a slob. They will find every excuse why they are that way but kibud bais haknesses and kavode habrios is not one of them.June 5, 2012 1:31 am at 1:31 am #984986
So please explain to us all exactly WHAT someone seated far from any trashbin, without pushing over many people in middle of davening, is to do on Shabbos after blowing his nose. If there is no eruv, pocket is assur.June 5, 2012 1:52 am at 1:52 am #984987
Naysberg: Why is the pocket Assur? I think my Gadol Kavod Habriyos argument is correct.June 5, 2012 2:04 am at 2:04 am #984988pcozMember
this is a brilliant oppotunity for someone to import a container of waste paper bins from china and brand them as kedushas hamakom paper tissue disposal opportunitiesJune 5, 2012 3:21 am at 3:21 am #984989
“So please explain to us all exactly WHAT someone seated far from any trashbin, without pushing over many people in middle of davening, is to do on Shabbos after blowing his nose.”
Do what all decent people do; they walk over to the trash and make a deposit, until the next blow. And how long does it take to walk to the trash can in your shul? And what do you do if you need to use the facilities or whatever and it’s “far” and you don’t want to push over people; let it rip in middle of davening? I hope not, Naysberg. So do everyone a toiva and get rid of your snotty tissues and whatever.June 5, 2012 10:33 am at 10:33 am #984990
Sam: I think its incorrect. And you don’t really expect anyone to rely on an anon internet svara for a real, live, halachic issue.
cherrybim: What if someone woke up with a cold Shabbos morning and is using a tissue every 10 or 15 minutes?June 5, 2012 6:59 pm at 6:59 pm #984991
moski: No, it’s more like the same little group of usernames always responds on the same threads…with the same exact opinions…and picking up each others’ arguments exactly as if they were their own. Oh, and not to mention, with exactly the same egregious errors in grammar and diction…June 5, 2012 8:16 pm at 8:16 pm #984992
Advise on what to tell someone who left their tissue on the table w/o being mean or hurting their feelings ?June 5, 2012 8:21 pm at 8:21 pm #984993
Naysberg – In that case, I hope he blows quietly so that he doesn’t disturb anyone with the noise; the nose knows.June 5, 2012 8:24 pm at 8:24 pm #984994
nycvoter1 – If he is sitting next to you, cover his pile with a neat open tissue. This is not the time to be Mr. Nice Guy.June 5, 2012 8:31 pm at 8:31 pm #984995mewhoParticipant
go to the bathroom and throw it out thereJune 5, 2012 9:02 pm at 9:02 pm #984997
nycvoter: “Can you move your tissue a bit away from me, please?”June 5, 2012 10:15 pm at 10:15 pm #984998
OOM: And almost same names. (The Frumguy=frummy in the tummy)June 6, 2012 12:56 am at 12:56 am #984999nfgo3Member
This whole thread is a chilul Hashem. I urge the YWN editors to remove it immediately.
Why, you ask, is this a chilul Hashem? Because this question should have been addressed and settled by the time Louis Pasteur announced the germ theory of disease in the 19th Century (or the 56th Century, if you prefer). It probably was addressed, and the halachic questions are well-settled, but a small handful of schmendricks think it is worth revisiting a century or more after it should have been – and surely was – settled.
And if there are some people at your synagogue who do not understand that they should not leave used tissues in a public place, ask them to find another place to daven.June 6, 2012 3:06 am at 3:06 am #985000
Naysberg: So ask your Rav if it’s a usable S’vara. Why, by the way, do you think it’s incorrect? Kavod Habriyos is Doche D’rabannans. Since, in this case, we obviously see that it disgusts the public, why wouldn’t it be applicable?June 6, 2012 2:10 pm at 2:10 pm #985001
In my opinion, it is assur b’issur g’zeila if you are going to use shul tissues, or even your own tissues, and leave them on the tables unless you first ask r’shus of the Rav and gaboyim.June 6, 2012 2:29 pm at 2:29 pm #985002
The shul would provide a nearby trashbin if they felt it was a problem to temporarily place it on the table.
Sam: Because the halacha specifIcally states not to placce anything in your pocket on Shabbos.June 6, 2012 3:13 pm at 3:13 pm #985003
Naysberg: It’s nice of you to repeat something that’s been stated. I gave you a potentially overriding Halachic concept. You can’t just deny the second concept by restating the first. Why wouldn’t it apply?June 6, 2012 3:13 pm at 3:13 pm #985004mewhoParticipant
i dont see the difficulty in using the garbage can in or near a bathroom. why is this turning into such a long story?June 6, 2012 5:31 pm at 5:31 pm #985005
“The shul would provide a nearby trashbin if they felt it was a problem to temporarily place it on the table.”
You can’t make that assumption, especially when there is an issur g’zeila involved and it takes about 5 seconds to ask r’shus, unless of course you’re afraid of the answer. Bottom line, however, it’s disgusting and insensitive to the normal people around you and the shulchan aruch states that one is not permitted to davin in front of an object that is mius.
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.