May 1, 2013 2:17 pm at 2:17 pm #609194
I find myself unable to tolerate the summer heat wearing a black felt fedora, at least during the daytime.
In your opinion, is it worse to not wear a hat to shul, or to wear a panama (similar, if not identical style to a standard felt borso)?May 1, 2013 2:27 pm at 2:27 pm #950314
Do any charedim wear straw fedoras?
I don’t know. But I’m pretty sure a true scotsman wouldn’t.May 1, 2013 2:37 pm at 2:37 pm #950315gavra_at_workParticipant
Black hat = Charaidi, Charaidi = Black hat.
Very similar to a Wizard. Hat = wizard, wizard = hat.
A Charaidi without a Black hat is therefore not a Charaidi.May 1, 2013 2:40 pm at 2:40 pm #950316
If you really cared, you would just spend the summer in a cooler place.May 1, 2013 2:47 pm at 2:47 pm #950317akupermaParticipant
Do you mean as formal dress for shul, a wedding, etc. Very few people consider a straw hat to be anything other than informal wear. In all contexts, wearing a straw hat suggests you consider the activity you are engaging in is not something very important. Straw is a very inexpensive fabric.
Do you mean informal usage? Such as wearing while on a picnic in the mountains?
And how do you define hareidi? If you define hareidi as wearing a black felt hat, then by definition no hareidi wears a straw hat.
If you define hareidi based on hashkafa (being mehudar in mitsvos, and perhaps most importantly, not accept the legitimacy of the Israeli government and holding that in a clash between Israeli law and halacha, we hold by halacha), then many hareidim wear 21st century western style clothes (but they still would not wear a straw hat in a “dress” situation).May 1, 2013 2:51 pm at 2:51 pm #950318
It’s called Headology…May 1, 2013 2:52 pm at 2:52 pm #950319
Make sure you only daven in airconditioned places, carry it to shul, and only put it on when you get there. Problem solved.
I think you can wear a straw hat and then on your resume you can list yourself as “part time chareidi, part time independent party”May 1, 2013 2:56 pm at 2:56 pm #950320YusselParticipant
GEVALD!!!!!!!!!!! How did this obviously frei Yid (if one can be a Yid and frei) get into this holy site to say bad things about our holy minhag of wearing a black fedora (which obviously can be traced directly back to Moshe Rabbenu at Har Sinai). Shame on you !!! All our holy tanaim and amoraim, geonim, rishoinim and acharoinim wore black hats !! How dare you suggest that just because it gets a little hot that one should abandon a minhag that yidden have been moiser nefesh over for thousands of years!! If you think it gets hot in summer, remember it can get much hotter you know where…..May 1, 2013 3:14 pm at 3:14 pm #950321agittayidParticipant
Borsalino Cuenca Fino Panama Hat – Shorter Brim.. Price: $275.00
“The Borsalino Cuenca Fino Panama Hat is an exceptionally soft and flexible bleached genuine panama straw hat hand-woven in Ecuador. Manufactured by world-famous hat maker Borsalino, this smaller.. .”May 1, 2013 3:14 pm at 3:14 pm #950322May 1, 2013 3:19 pm at 3:19 pm #950323gavra_at_workParticipant
since I’ve seen charedim who wear dark brown fedoras.
You mean “since I’ve seen FAKE charedim who wear dark brown fedoras.”
All real Charaidim wear black hats. See PBA’s post above.May 1, 2013 3:21 pm at 3:21 pm #950324
Hrolfr – thank you for bringing this up. I have found my black burka to be extremely stifling in this heat. Does anyone think a yellow one would make me less tznua?May 1, 2013 3:29 pm at 3:29 pm #950325
@gavra_at_work – again, lol.
@syag lchochma – strictly speaking, that’s an inaccurate comparison. On the burka analogy would be more appropriate to compare switching from a woolen burka to a linen one. I’m not asking about wearing a hot pink felt fedora (yuck).May 1, 2013 3:30 pm at 3:30 pm #950326
Of course you have to wear the hat, how else would people know you’re a witch?May 1, 2013 3:32 pm at 3:32 pm #950327
@popa_bar_abba – not very convenient to keep leaving for australia every summer though. (since technically everywhere in the northern hemisphere is summer at the same time).May 1, 2013 3:34 pm at 3:34 pm #950328
sorry, you are correct. So maybe I should consider wearing a cheesecloth burka to let more air in. Although cheesecloth is an inexpensive material, it would take a skilled seamstress to construct it and would end up being appropriately costly. That way it would still qualify for Shabbos dress.May 1, 2013 3:42 pm at 3:42 pm #950329
I once read somewhere (I forgot who wrote it) a wonderful vort on the subject.
Hashem is One.
The gematria of ???? ???? is 612.
So, all you have to do is wear a black hat and believe in Hashem and you have all 613 mitzvos covered.May 1, 2013 3:43 pm at 3:43 pm #950330twistedParticipant
Brown Fedoras: I EY you see brown hats and brown outerwear, it is because it is bleached out by the sun. And also, because these items are so expensive here, there are many who can only purchase say, a new hat once in a Yovel. While it is no shame to be poor here, I feel this still represents a problem of bizayon hatorah. Hareidiwear should be na’eh v’naki, cheap and localized. If we could get rid of the uniformity meshugas, there would be no price fixing in the market.May 1, 2013 3:44 pm at 3:44 pm #950331
@syag lchochma – i’ll just go along with this for a bit. The straw used for panamas aren’t inexpensive. I intentionally used linen as the example because linen is closer than cheesecloth. in addition I think cheesecloth is translucent which kind of negates the point of a burka. On the other hand, (properly woven) straw is no more translucent than felt.May 1, 2013 3:48 pm at 3:48 pm #950332
Haifagirl – are you sure you read it and didn’t hear it from a former employer? 🙂May 1, 2013 3:49 pm at 3:49 pm #950333
Holder-so glad you pointed that out, I almost put in the purchase order.May 1, 2013 3:52 pm at 3:52 pm #950334
Always happy to be of help.May 1, 2013 3:53 pm at 3:53 pm #950335Torah613TorahParticipant
Yes, I know someone who wears a straw black hat. It’s an excellent copy and honestly I couldn’t tell it was straw just from looking.
But they are more MO than Chareidi.May 1, 2013 3:53 pm at 3:53 pm #950336
I think I remember from whom I heard it, but I’ll have to wait until I get home to contact said person.May 1, 2013 3:56 pm at 3:56 pm #950337
Syag Lchochma, I get the feeling you know me. Do I know you? Can you give me a hint?May 1, 2013 4:01 pm at 4:01 pm #950338
Here’s a hint that may work – my daughter went to shul alone because there was nobody else to sit on her side of the machitza with her.May 1, 2013 4:08 pm at 4:08 pm #950339
Aha! Give her my love.May 1, 2013 4:20 pm at 4:20 pm #950340
Impressive, but anything further will be deleted.
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I was obviously very careful.
Although, if you were here a few years back you would have seen a thread where I was actually referred to by name.May 1, 2013 4:48 pm at 4:48 pm #950342
Life was so much simpler back in those good ole days. 🙂May 1, 2013 5:01 pm at 5:01 pm #950343
There goes my precious topic. 🙁
This was supposed to be about charedim and straw hats. >_<May 1, 2013 5:07 pm at 5:07 pm #950344
Have no fear, that was a momentary disruption, not a tangent. Carry on.May 1, 2013 5:19 pm at 5:19 pm #950346Sam2Participant
Just my hapence: She could weigh the same as a duck.May 1, 2013 5:28 pm at 5:28 pm #950347
^ what?May 1, 2013 5:46 pm at 5:46 pm #950348
Just my hapence: She could weigh the same as a duck.
ROFL!May 1, 2013 5:52 pm at 5:52 pm #950349
She did turn me into a newt once, but I got betterMay 1, 2013 7:09 pm at 7:09 pm #950350twistedParticipant
Once upon a time, in Litvish NY, it was acceptable even among the yeshivish to have some sartorial color to them. As a child I spent my summers in the Catskills, and straw hats were standard shabbos attire for most shul goers. The older adults in my child’s world came from the generations where hats were worn by every city dweller as a part of standard mens attire, and back then straw was the hat for the hot summers. An octogenarian from then shared with me his nostolga for a custom of his time and place. It was fair game for boys to snatch straw hats seen after labor day and to feed them to the horses on the street. And once upon a time, as a bocher, I wore a blue pin seersucker suit with a white straw hat for shabbos… Jus sayinMay 1, 2013 9:05 pm at 9:05 pm #950351
I came back to shep nachas from my first response.May 1, 2013 9:15 pm at 9:15 pm #950352ItcheSrulikMember
just my happence: You lose your discworld points because we changed fandoms.May 1, 2013 9:30 pm at 9:30 pm #950353OneOfManyParticipant
Nahhhhhh, we embrace all the fandoms. ^_^May 2, 2013 1:06 am at 1:06 am #950354
twisted – I like the horse part. That sounds like fun. When people say straw hat to me it reminds me of the straw farmer hat (shaped somewhat like a sombrero) we used to have for dress-up. I would love to see more of those on the streets.May 2, 2013 3:24 am at 3:24 am #950355charliehallParticipant
There is no requirement to wear a hat of any type to shul, certainly not a fedora which was only invented in the late 19th century (and was originally a women’s hat style, popularized by the legendary licentious apostate actress Sarah Bernhardt). Any headcovering will do. The Chofetz Chaim did not wear a fedora (I heard this personally from a Rosh Yeshiva who had learned in Radin as a child.) Rav Soloveitchik often wore straw hats rather than felt hats.
Wear whatever hat will bring you closer to HaShem!May 2, 2013 1:49 pm at 1:49 pm #950356just a memberMember
jews always had a dress code to differentiate from the goyim. although it changed over time, sometimes even using a article of clothing that goyim abandoned as common dress, this is what it includes today.May 3, 2013 3:35 am at 3:35 am #950357Josh31Participant
“not accept the legitimacy of the Israeli government”
Those who cannot accept the State of Israel as a Fait Accompli are mechuyav (obligated) to move immediately to a highly insular Orthodox community outside of Israel.
A major factor in the survival of Torah Judaism has been the acceptance of the reality of the government in power and then negotiating the best possible terms to insure survival of the Torah community.
EarlyhHistorical examples are: Bavel, Alexander the Great, Hordus, RomeMay 3, 2013 7:43 am at 7:43 am #950358tefillin rabbiParticipant
I am told that Rav Moshe Feinstein wore a black straw hat (hamburg) in the summer. I’ve also seen quite a few talmidei chachamim wear them in the summer months. Years ago many bnei Torah wore them in the summer, even white ones! Apparently today we are more “frum” than they were. The truth is that any respectable hat or cap is fine for davening.May 3, 2013 12:47 pm at 12:47 pm #950359☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
Apparently today we are more “frum” than they were.
I assume that was meant sarcastically, so I’ll ask: have you actually heard anyone claim that third choice of headgear is proof that we are frummer?
Where did this idea come from?May 3, 2013 2:34 pm at 2:34 pm #950360
DY – I think it was obvious that nobody is thinking of it as a third choice of headwear but rather a, “he wears a STRAW hat?” issue. Which, kind sir, is a “holier than thou” attitude.May 3, 2013 2:49 pm at 2:49 pm #950361I can only tryMember
Do chareidies wear straw
Why should that stick in your craw?
Why should prying eyes
Is it all a show?
Yes, I act so pious
Then you have no moral heft
You refuse to see the light
I like myself just soMay 3, 2013 3:09 pm at 3:09 pm #950362☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
nobody is thinking of it as a third choice of headwear
but rather a, “he wears a STRAW hat?” issue. Which, kind sir, is a “holier than thou” attitude.
What’s holy about it? Maybe it’s a “more stylish than thou” or “less nebbish than thou” attitude.May 3, 2013 8:15 pm at 8:15 pm #950363yytzParticipant
I can only try: Well done! Very nice. 🙂
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