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  • #1858857

    Literally

    #1859144
    ☕️coffee addict
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    Welcome back

    Can you please reword your question

    #1859151
    Reb Eliezer
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    Descartes, I think, therefore I exist. Hashem gave us the ability to think, our freedom of choce, not being a robot, which also proves according to him His existence.

    #1859228
    interjection
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    If you don’t exist, then what?

    #1859302
    n0mesorah
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    You do not exist, outside of you not asking yourself if you exist.

    #1859359
    Little Froggie
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    Good to know you’re still around…. y’know, these days….

    כל הנשמה תהלל ה
    כל נשימה ונשימה

    And we see it, literally.

    #1859378
    Avi K
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    RE, don’t put Descartes before de horse.

    #1859453
    Reb Eliezer
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    Avi K. can you elaborate what you mean? I said he proves the existence of Hashem similar to Plato from the existence of a soul and the world of ideas.

    #1859458
    paktype
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    You exist in two different ways – as the main character in your own life but only as a side character in everyone else’s.

    Every being on the face of the Earth lives in his, her and it’s own universe. None of us perceive life and each other in exactly the same way. When a person dies, that person’s universe dies too.

    #1859483
    Reb Eliezer
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    Chakespeare said, the world is a stage and we are all actors. This reminds us about Plato’s allegory of the cave. People see shaddows on the wall in a cave about things happening behind them. They see only the wall, so they think that this is reality.

    #1859494
    Reb Eliezer
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    Some corrections above Shakespeare and shadow.

    #1863014
    CS
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    The only true existence is Hashem, as we say ain od milvado. Not just that there is no other god or power aside from Hashem, but there is nothing else that exists at all. The only life in this world is Hashem’s lifeforce as it says ki imcha mekor chaim. See shaar hayichud vhoemuna of Tanya for more understanding on this or ask. Luckily a very real part of your identity is the part of Hashem within you, and that really does exist. The yetzer hara part of your identity is just an illusion which will eventually be revealed as fraud. Hope this helps

    #1863373
    n0mesorah
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    Dear Cs,
    These two together do not sit well with me.
    1) “only life in this world is Hashem’s lifeforce”
    2)”very real part of your identity” and “part of your identity is just an illusion”
    Each view by itself is fine. The two together, give off some strange implications.

    #1866201
    skripka
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    BARTENDER: “Do you think it’s gonna rain?”

    DESCARTES “I don’t think..” [Disappears]

    #1866271
    n0mesorah
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    Seems more like Nietzsche to me.

    #1868228
    skripka
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    Descartes said “I think, therefore I am”. If he doesn’t think, he no longer exists

    #1868348
    n0mesorah
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    “I do not think” is a loaded statement for any philosopher. Here is how it would play out in the hypothesis of determining who is thinking. [The joke is the same.]
    Descartes: So what ascertains your existence?
    Nietzsche: You being yourself remains undetermined.

    #1869475
    CS
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    Nomesora

    “ Dear Cs,
    These two together do not sit well with me.
    1) “only life in this world is Hashem’s lifeforce”
    2)”very real part of your identity” and “part of your identity is just an illusion”
    Each view by itself is fine. The two together, give off some strange implications.”

    Well if both are true, they are also true together, they just require understanding to understand HOW. I’m actually currently in the process of understanding these deep concepts myself and bringing it down into practical life but there’s mounds of learning you can do on this- it’s explained in Chassidus, and of course the sources are in Nigle as well because it’s one Torah.

    The basics of the understanding I have now (obviously much depth etc and there’s a lot more for me to learn now as well) is that the “I” of a yid is really Hashem, that’s the real me. And the way to access it and reveal it through all the parts of me that cover it up, (my body, my animal soul personality, my G-dly soul personality etc) and to harmonise and unite all of them, is by following Torah and mitzvos. The more I live my life according to Torah and mitzvos in thought speech and action, the better life I have because the more I bring out the true me, which is one with Hashem, into all the aspects of my personality and life.

    We see that every yid acts this way instinctively, realising and attributing everything they do to Hashem, and this isbecause it’s all Hashem working through them.

    Hope this is clear. Feel free to ask questions or for examples, just don’t want to overload info.

    #1869531
    Mistykins
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    “I think, therefore I am”

    Sorry, but you only have to turn on your news channel or look out the window to find plenty of people who do not think, yet still exist.

    #1869537
    WolfishMusings
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    I definitely exist.

    I think it is literally impossible for someone as horrible as I to have been the product of someone’s imagination.

    The Wolf

    #1869626
    Reb Eliezer
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    Wolf, maybe the opposite is true? The fact that there is a good person like you proves that you exist.

    #1869695
    WolfishMusings
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    Wolf, maybe the opposite is true? The fact that there is a good person like you proves that you exist.

    Thank you for the kind words, but your premise is incorrect.

    The Wolf

    #1869771
    Reb Eliezer
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    Wolf, אין אדם משים עצמו רשע we don’t trust him.

    #1870002
    n0mesorah
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    Dear Mistykins,
    If we are using that meaning of think. then just turning on the news is in itself the same proof. Alternatively, we could reassure ourselves that the subjects of todays storylines do not exist.

    #1870005
    n0mesorah
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    Dear Wolf,
    That is great for you, but it would follow that you are cruel enough that my entire existence is a mere figment of your imagination.

    #1873035
    Nerli
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    What triggered this question? And yes it is a loaded one re kabbalah and chassidus

    #1873474
    Shopping613 🌠
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    No, there’s a 13.5% chance you may be a bot.

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