April 21, 2013 1:47 pm at 1:47 pm #609102
I’m always hearing about kiddush clubs, but I always hear about them in the context of “this shul used to have a kiddush club.”
Are there any shuls in NY, NJ, PA, MD or FL that still have kiddush clubs?April 21, 2013 1:55 pm at 1:55 pm #948803rebdonielMember
Kiddush clubs can be found in the older, MO/Jewish Center-style places. IIRC, Beth Tfiloh in Baltimore has one.April 21, 2013 2:02 pm at 2:02 pm #948804
I was told Beth Tfiloh bans liquor completely.April 21, 2013 4:17 pm at 4:17 pm #948805
I personally started one in my shul this past November or October approximately. It has been a wild success, and I look forward to shul every shabbos.April 21, 2013 8:19 pm at 8:19 pm #948807ToiParticipant
B”H theyre alive and well.April 21, 2013 8:35 pm at 8:35 pm #948808
Baruch Hashem that the heilige single malt and bourbon inspires adults to go to shul on shabbos. And its a wonder why kids are going off?April 22, 2013 1:08 am at 1:08 am #948809
Baruch Hashem that the heilige single malt and bourbon inspires adults to go to shul on shabbos.
chas v’shalom! Our kiddush club only allows single malt.April 22, 2013 1:37 am at 1:37 am #948810
At least you have good taste.April 22, 2013 3:35 pm at 3:35 pm #948811DaMosheParticipant
Kiddush clubs usually refer to people who leave either by leining or by the Rabbi’s speech to drink. I honestly don’t know of any shuls who do this.
My shul has a kiddush every week, after davening. Sometimes there’s alcohol, sometimes there isn’t. Does this qualify as a kiddush club in your mind?April 22, 2013 3:38 pm at 3:38 pm #948812
My shul in PA has an active kiddush club. I personally think its a terrible minhag- they miss the haftorah and Dvar Torah from the rav, just to go talk and drink while everyone else is in shul.April 22, 2013 3:40 pm at 3:40 pm #948813
Like I said, mine meets right after haftara, and runs through the speech. We stay for birchas hachodesh on those weeks though.April 22, 2013 3:54 pm at 3:54 pm #948814
you actually never mentioned that.
And even so, you’re not being mechabed the rav, it comes off as disrespect that one would rather have a drink than hear Torah. Can’t you wait until kiddush with the tzibbur?April 22, 2013 3:58 pm at 3:58 pm #948815
Of course. I do it davka to disrespect the speaker.April 22, 2013 4:05 pm at 4:05 pm #948816
I like the sarcasm but if you seriously don’t like hearing Torah from your shul’s rav, then switch shuls instead of using that as an excuse to grab a drink.April 22, 2013 4:22 pm at 4:22 pm #948817yaakov doeParticipant
Popa – Sounds like a great club. How do I join?April 22, 2013 4:23 pm at 4:23 pm #948818
There is no other shulApril 22, 2013 4:28 pm at 4:28 pm #948819torahlishma613Participant
I agree with rational frummie that it is disrespectful to leave the shul. However, I feel that it is actually important to have a kiddush club because for people who wouldn’t normally come to shul, it gives them a reason to come and Daven and it is important for every yid to Daven in a minyan. Yes, it is disrespectful to the rav, but at least people are coming to shul and davening.April 22, 2013 4:33 pm at 4:33 pm #948820
If it gets people to come to shul, then I suppose it’s a good thing. But still, a kiddush club is a sad reason to go to shul.April 22, 2013 5:26 pm at 5:26 pm #948821yaakov doeParticipant
Popa – Sounds like a great club. How do I join?April 22, 2013 5:30 pm at 5:30 pm #948822
Popa – Sounds like a great club. How do I join?
Move to my community. Become friends with me. Maybe I’ll invite you in, after consulting with the other stakeholders.April 22, 2013 5:51 pm at 5:51 pm #948823
“There is no other shul”
In that case, grow up and show some respect.April 22, 2013 5:53 pm at 5:53 pm #948824
In that case, grow up and show some respect.
lol. You have absolutely no idea of anything about the shul or the people who speak. And you have the gall to simplify it to “grow up and show some respect”.
lolololApril 22, 2013 6:00 pm at 6:00 pm #948825
My shul has a kiddush club, and I get the concept.
There is nothing hard to understand about men that are bored in shul and go drink with their friends. You are the one with fall for disrespecting your rav, even if he said you can do it.
The whole idea of a kiddush club is immature and disrespectful. That’s why I was able to say what I said. I don’t need to know any details about your shul, we’re not learning a birkas shmuel here- all necessary info is available.April 22, 2013 6:02 pm at 6:02 pm #948826
I said that the whole point is to disrespect the speaker.
You said that if so, I should daven somewhere else.
I said there is no where else.
So unless you know why I want to disrespect the speaker, I’m not sure you have anything worth saying. Unless you think that I should rather daven at home.April 22, 2013 6:04 pm at 6:04 pm #948827
Well, I assumed you were making a joke to dodge the question. I can’t believe you would purposefully wish to disrespect and insult your rav. If that is truly the case, either have a conversation to resolve your issues or yes, daven at home if their really is no other shul. Disrespecting another frum Jew, let alone a rav is no small thing.April 22, 2013 6:08 pm at 6:08 pm #948828
You’re still making assumptions.
Let’s count the assumptions in your last post.
1. The speaker is a rabbi.
2. The speaker is the minyan’s rabbi.
3. The speaker is a frum jew.
4. I purposely want to insult that person.
That’s 4 assumptions, and just in your last post.April 22, 2013 6:12 pm at 6:12 pm #948829☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
Well, I assumed you were making a joke to dodge the question.
I think you might as well assume that he was making a joke when he said that he started a kiddush club.April 22, 2013 6:24 pm at 6:24 pm #948830
And I wouldn’t dodge your question. If I didn’t want to answer, I just wouldn’t.April 22, 2013 6:29 pm at 6:29 pm #948831
Those are sound assumptions.
1. The Rav is the one who customarily gives divrei Torah in a shul- that’s called kavod harav.
2. A minyan generally gives the honor of a speech to its rav or Mara d’asra, since he is knowledgeable and can address them.
3. I’m certain you are frum. You make fun of YCT. A frum shul as the one you go to wouldn’t have someone not frum speak- it makes no sense.
4. You said yourself you do it to disrespect the speaker.
These are not insane assumptions to make, be serious.April 22, 2013 6:31 pm at 6:31 pm #948832charlie brownMember
I think Popa is the speaker and he started the kiddush club (which he can’t attend because he’s too busy speaking) to disrespect himself. He is a mighty big anav, you see.April 22, 2013 6:32 pm at 6:32 pm #948833
I’ll allow you to back down from that last post without making too much fun.April 22, 2013 6:45 pm at 6:45 pm #948834BronyParticipant
u kiddush club homies dont realize the trippy haftorahs u are missing. bone valleys, gate dudes getting trampled, other rad stuff. last weeks was pretty boring doe, gotta give it to u dudes u probably made the right decision.April 22, 2013 6:50 pm at 6:50 pm #948835yytzParticipant
CharlieBrown, you may well be on to something!
Perhaps Popa is trying to sharpen our wits by playing these mind games on us.
But at this point I think we’re all just confused.
As for myself, I don’t believe Popa ever started or attended any kiddush club. But maybe I’m wrong.April 22, 2013 6:50 pm at 6:50 pm #948836
I know, haftara is like my fave part of shul, after kiddush club. That’s part of why I stay for it, and we only meet afterward.April 22, 2013 6:51 pm at 6:51 pm #948837
Confused? You can just ask.April 22, 2013 6:58 pm at 6:58 pm #948838Torah613TorahParticipant
Charlie: Let’s make more assumptions. This way he doesn’t even need to prepare a speech – he catches up on Daf Yomi while everyone is out.
Speaking of trippy haftorahs: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/dead-bones-will-rise-againApril 22, 2013 7:23 pm at 7:23 pm #948840yytzParticipant
Okay, are you making this all up or not?April 22, 2013 7:42 pm at 7:42 pm #948841
popa_bar_abba: What city and state is your shul located in?
rationalfrummie: Is your shul the Lower Merion Synagogue?
I get some of the arguments against KC, but I like to have to have the choice.
Where I live most shuls ban alchohol 100%; you can’t have it at kiddush even if you are the sponsor; you can’t even have it if you rent the shul social hall!April 22, 2013 7:59 pm at 7:59 pm #948842
Okay, are you making this all up or not?
Not making it up.April 22, 2013 8:12 pm at 8:12 pm #948843
popa_bar_abba: What city and state is your shul located in?
I decline to answer. It is even against the CR rules for you to be asking.
I’m sure you’ll respect that I might have an interest in keeping that private.April 22, 2013 8:21 pm at 8:21 pm #948844
“I decline to answer. It is even against the CR rules for you to be asking.”
I wasn’t aware of that. Am I allowed to ask if people know of SPECIFIC shuls or geographic areas where there are kiddush clubs. Without that info, it still remains in my mind that they no longer exist and are now merely urban legend.April 22, 2013 8:23 pm at 8:23 pm #948845
Reubrew: As a matter of fact, I do. Your Jewish geography skills are very sharp.
I’m surprised your shul banned alcohol- that seems pretty wrong. I have no issue with alcohol at all, just the consumption of it during shul.April 22, 2013 8:27 pm at 8:27 pm #948846
And I think popa is right about soliciting private info like city, state, or shul.April 23, 2013 12:00 am at 12:00 am #948848squeakParticipant
Then how the blazes are we supposed to move to your community?April 24, 2013 2:23 am at 2:23 am #948849
My Kiddush club is in my Dining Room @8.30 AM upon my return from Hashkomo, and pairs up with my Seudo Shenis club @8.30 AM.April 24, 2013 2:44 am at 2:44 am #948850
How do you Hashkamah people have the seudah at 8:30 most people first wake up then! It seems so strange to eat that early. How can you eat cholent and meat at 9:00 in the morning?April 24, 2013 3:07 am at 3:07 am #948851Josh31Participant
Yes we can!!!
It is called Neshama Yeseirah.April 24, 2013 3:46 am at 3:46 am #948852
most people first wake up then
Considering I wake up so much earlier on a weekday, I am almost always awake long before my [Kosher with 10 possible settings] alarm clock goes off on Shabbos morning.
How can you eat cholent and meat at 9:00 in the morning?
My question is:- How can most people go without food until 11 & 12 & yonder each Shabbos morning? or failing that:- How can they eat before reciting their prayers?
This is in addition to people who then some how or other never seem to quite manage to accomplish Seudo Shelishis, especially during the winter but even during the summer in some cases.
My schedule also implies that on Shabbos Erev Pesach I don’t have to deviate from my regular Shabbos schedule, and then it really feels like regular Shabbos mode, as it is supposed to.April 24, 2013 4:01 am at 4:01 am #948853
You eat Shalosh seudos early as well? What time did you eat it last week?April 24, 2013 4:09 am at 4:09 am #948854
Never prior to Mincho Gedoloh. Usually lunchtime, alabeit in summer lunchtime being after say 1.45.
This schedule also facilitates consumption of a Melave Malka.
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