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While the other discussion was raging as to whether married men help out with the laundry and dishes, I began wondering whether married women help out doing the yard work and fixing the car.
Wives?
i think someone mentioned something about mitzrim and giving men ladies work and ladies men work…..
Gardening is becoming more and more taken up by women and likely the majority of garderners are women
NO!!!!!!
You seem very defensive shlishi u must not help out alot
How many frum men do you see changing the oil in their car or replacing sparkplugs? 🙂
so whats your view on this???
I am sorry if you took offense shlishi but again you seem very defensive about these 2 threads methinks he doest protest too much!
Good wives help with car and yard and good husbands help with the laundry and dishes.
We leave the car to the mechanic and the yard to the gardener.
I would help out with the car. That’d be fun. I have changed the chain and seat on my bike. I fixed my computer when it crashed. I help out with the garden. I shovel the snow sometimes. I think there shouldn’t be set rules whether a man should do this, or a woman should not do this. Unless something is halachicly forbidden, I believe men and women can do whatever they wish. I actually enjoy doing more of the “manly” things. I enjoy some of the “women” things, too.
We leave the dishes to the dishwasher and the laundry to the laundromat.
I actually enjoy doing more of the “manly” things.
Are you a tomboy?
Peacemaker, I’m not sure. As a kid I loved to steal my brother’s LEGO and play with it. I was very wild–I hung off the banisters in my house. I liked playing with trucks and action figures. But I also loved playing with my Barbie dolls. I’m not crazy over sports or cars, but I don’t like makeup, doing my nails, jewelry or shopping. I do like to cook and bake, do needlework. I loved sewing clothing for my dolls as a kid. The video games I like are kind of “guyish” I guess, but I do enjoy some of the girly ones, too. So what does that make me?
I’ve mowed the lawn and planted flowers. I don’t fix the car but neither does my husband. I have taken it to the mechanic a few times.
Queen, it makes you a well rounded, multi talented and multi faceted person. You must be very interesting to talk to because you are well versed on a wide variety of subjects. Many people who may seem critical of you are probably just envious.
i throw out the garbage most of the time, i know how to fill the car up with gas, check the fluids, add air to the tires.
does hubby do laundry or dishes? nope.
for the record, all women should know that men can help fold the linen…they all know how to fold a talis so they should be able to do other square or rectangles
minyan gal, thanks so much! I think almost any subject interests me (except politics. I can’t stand it). Although I enjoy many different things, I don’t think I’m 100% invested in any of them. My interests change like the weather.
Goq, I agree with you, you are right on the mark.
In answer to the question, how many men have gone off to work leaving their wife to take the car to the mechanic?
Here is a better answer. That is a very foolish question. Of course women do yard work, and of course they take care of the cars. And of course your chauvinism is showing and is quite offensive. What is the purpose of your question? Its Elul remember? Are you trying to kick up some dust?
Let men be men, and let women be women. Let the men do the men’s jobs, and let the women do the women’s jobs. When we start giving men women’s jobs and women men’s jobs, we start having problems. And lest anyone say there are no such things as men’s jobs and women’s jobs, don’t forget what the Egyptians did to us. They forced us to work the opposite genders job as a form of torturing us. Lets not volunteer to do what we were previously forced to.
aries- the point of this thread was in defense to another bashing men for not doing work that generally falls to women. and in response to a previous post- my wife asks me to fold all tableclothes cuz my tallis-folding skills are quite honed.
There are people male and female, for whom yard work, and its gentler subset, gardening, is in their blood, or as the pithy (npi) Israeli description goes, yarok banefesh. It does not, and should not have anything to do with marriage.
my father taught me how to boost a car when i was about 16. that count?
Marriage is not about keeping score.
(At least it shouldn’t be.)
How do you determine what is a men’s job and what is a woman’s job? 150 years ago everyone on Earth would have said that earning money was a man’s job. Now if you say that in Lakewood… well, you can finish that sentence yourself. So obviously what is considered men’s and women’s jobs can change with time. So why can’t who does the laundry or who fixes the car change too?
Sam: Are you suggesting that today fixing the cars is the women’s job and doing the laundry is the men’s job?
I am suggesting that maybe nowadays there are some jobs (in which I would probably include laundry) that are considered to be either men’s or women’s jobs and not specifically just a job of one gender.
Sam: So what exactly do you still consider purely a woman’s job? Or have they been emancipated from such ancient chores?
Sorry that I’m carrying you away from this topic for a quick moment… I don’t know how to open a new Subject.
I tried clicking on the link on the left (about Sholam Rubashkin) but I don’t see where to sign the partition. Thnx much for your help! Tiska L’mitzvos.
Shlishi: I think your first question should have been, who in B.P. even has grass on their property? ???
Sam2, if someone is trying to pick an argument then they would start such a post. There is nothing wrong with men helping at home even if women don’t go out to earn the big bucks. And there is nothing wrong with women helping their husbands with what is normally their chores to do if that is what works in their marriage. Obviously you are an intelligent person and you realize this. However, others who wish to tell people what to do, or be a bit smarmy wish to define what women should expect and NOT expect their husbands to do because after all women would NOT do “these” jobs…
Again, what works in each individual marriage defines what works in each individual marriage and it is no one’s business to butt into what works for others. So maybe because it is chodesh Elul the mods might consider closing this foolish thread.
The purpose of my thread was not to bash but for the men to take stock and realize all that is being done for them i am single and have to do for myself i do everything take a moment and say thank you.
Shmoel: That’s not for me to decide. It is most likely a societal and communal issue.
Goq, I understood that and it would lovely if all men would understand that and do that. It certainly would fuel any marriage in a very good way. And of course vise a versa.
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I would say that giving birth is exclusively a woman’s job and men shouldn’t.
Here is the thread that started this discussion
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/do-married-guys-do-laundry
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