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  • #608425
    Torah613Torah
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    Do you like to play sports? Or follow sports?

    #935030

    Never – its chukas hagoy.

    Kidding, I’m just living up to the Kanoi in my name.

    #935031
    BYbychoice
    Member

    chas vechalila we should be involved in such gashmius…but while on the subject i never pass down a good game of floor hockey or basketball

    #935032
    Torah613Torah
    Participant

    Good to know I’m not the only active one here, YiddishM!

    (Don’t play competitive sports though)

    #935033

    I play golf. Have been playing for about 7 years and played while I was in college for the school’s team. If someone is looking for a fun sport that is a real challenge, this would be my top recommendation.

    #935034
    shnitzy
    Member

    Uhhh…get up…walk to the fridge…open the fridge…close the fridge…walk to the cabinets…open the cabinets…close the cabinets…walk to my desk…swivel around a couple times…get back up…open the fridge…

    You get points depending on how many times you complete the circuit per minute.

    I can’t resist a good game of basketball when I (rarely if ever) have the time.

    #935035
    akuperma
    Participant

    What’s wrong with Chess? One of the Rishonim even wrote a book on the subject.

    #935036
    playtime
    Member

    This thread is unacceptable. It is not the prerogative of a Yid to be discussing such Goyishe Zachin. People ask me, are sports Assur? Definitely they are! When was the last time you saw Rav Shteinman or Rav Kanievsky playing sports?

    It is one thing to play sports surreptitiously for health reasons, but it is entirely another thing to openly discuss it on a yeshiva blog, as your past time. Normally I am quiet as per the sensitivity of this issue. But now I feel I must speak up.

    Sports are repulsive. It comes from Greek origins, and causes perspiration.

    I admire the people who take a firm position on this issue and stand between the thrower and catcher in no uncertain terms, equipped with a stick and hit the ball far away from the game. I cheer for them.

    #935037
    shnitzy
    Member

    THAT’S considered a sport? Okay. I’ll add it to my list…

    Aaaand, Talmud…ever heard of deodorant? 😛

    #935038
    Loyal Jew
    Member

    Talmud said only the least of it. Try to play a sport without being over on most or all of the following:

    Bittul zman

    Bittul Torah

    Taroves

    Chukos hagoyim

    Kemaase ha’emori

    Chilul Hashem

    …etc.etc.

    #935039
    yytz
    Participant

    Akuperma: Which rishon? What was the name of the book? Just wondering!

    I don’t play or watch sports. I see nothing wrong with playing sports, since it is one good way to take care of our health (which may be easier to do consistently for some people because it’s more social and competitive than jogging or working out). Being sedentary takes years off one’s life, and also increases the risk of dementia and memory loss (for older people). So anything to give us regular exercise seems good.

    Watching and following sports seems like an utter bitul zman, but I get the impression a lot of frum Jews do it anyway.

    #935040
    akuperma
    Participant

    yytz: Avraham Ibn Ezra, in a poem, reflecting an earlier version (e.g. the Queen was a Vizier and was much more limited, the “mad queen” of the 16th century was way in the future)

    #935041
    MorahRach
    Member

    Many Jews could stand to do things that cause perspiration. How many overweight people do you know?

    #935042
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    As a kid I’ve always hated sports. Still don’t play. I regret nothing, but it sure is a lot of fun and good health if you aren’t lousy like me!

    #935043
    akuperma
    Participant

    and by the way, there are several frum “major league” chess players (professional grandmasters)

    #935044
    MCP
    Member

    By playing sports and being active one can add years to his or her life, and thereby have more time to learn/do chessed in later years. It’s not a waste of time, it’s an investment.

    I know the gedolim don’t spend their time playing sports, but they don’t spend time in the CR either – does that make it assur? If yes, why are you commenting?

    #935045
    shnitzy
    Member

    I don’t think it’s chess they are having an issue with. Although, I still don’t see why taking a break for a quick game of basketball to clear my head classifies as “repulsive” and a “chillul Hashem”. Following sports and going to games is one thing, but having fun in a good clean way (well, in a manner of speaking…if you *ahem* are acquainted with deodorant) and exercising in the process…? My friend, that is going far. Too far.

    #935046
    akuperma
    Participant

    If fitness is the goal, I’ld suggest strength training (weight lifting, calisthenics) and aerobics (such as biking or hiking or running). Sports are fun, and perhaps fun is mutar (I played baseball back in the era when the bats were made of wood and major leaguers took off-season jobs to make ends meet, and I’ld still root for the Dodgers if they ever came back to Brooklyn) – but from a fitness perspective sports all have serious question marks.

    #935047
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Berel Wein likes to Jog. Once he was wearing a jogging suit , jogging in Jerusalem. Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach saw him and he was embarrassed. Before Berel Wein could say anything. Rav Shlomo said NU Your Health is important too

    From Chanoch Teller’s book on Rav Shlomo Auberbach

    #935048

    MCP, the coffee room is most probably assur (based on what is today’s halacha), as are sports.

    #935049
    shnitzy
    Member

    Excuse me? Please explain that statement.

    #935050

    Obviously, shnitzy, you are not up on current affairs. Are you aware of the numbers of Rabbonim and Gedolei Yisrael who have banned the internet? And guess where this coffee room is held? Over the internet.

    #935051

    The troll gets rolled.

    Read the last two sentences of this post again: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/do-you-play-sports#post-444907

    #935053
    MCP
    Member

    @Secular Frummy – The CR is probably more Assur than sports. My point was that anyone expressing disdain for those of us who play sports on a CR feed has no business being in the CR in the first place.

    #935054
    yytz
    Participant

    Zahavasdad: thanks for the Berel Wein anecdote. If anyone has other stories about well-known rabbis exercising or playing sports, please share them.

    #935056
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Zahavasdad: thanks for the Berel Wein anecdote. If anyone has other stories about well-known rabbis exercising or playing sports, please share them.

    Rav Nissim Alpert when he was younger used to play basketball

    #935057
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    Bittul zman

    Bittul Torah

    How do these two differ?

    Chukos hagoyim

    Kemaase ha’emori

    How do these two differ?

    The Wolf

    #935058

    MCP- Very true. Those that are worried about bitul zman or gedolei Yisrael not participating in sports need to realize that the CR is not something that gedolei Yisrael would do either. But, another point, I don’t think that something can be more or less assur. Perhaps the punishment for a given action from beis din can be more or less severe, but ultimately, something that is forbidden is forbidden

    #935059
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    Don’t know if this is a “well known” Rabbi but Rabbi Dovid Kaplan (author of “Inspired” series) is a Rebbe at Ohr Sameach. He used to challenge secular Israelis to a game of basketball and tell them they had to eat a Shabbos meal by him if they lost. They would start off holding in their laughter, but they almost always lost.

    #935060
    oomis
    Participant

    Not anymore. I never liked watching sports at all (thankfully, neither does my husband), but in truth, I would far rather PLAY them than watch them. I used to be a pretty fair softball and basketball player for a girl. My best and most favorite games however, were volleyball (I was a GREAT server) and dodgeball (last one standing most of the time). I WISH I could still play, but age, arthritis, and circumstance have decreed that I can only be a spectator these days. But aaah… the memories!

    #935061
    shnitzy
    Member

    Hmm, I wonder if he knew he was doing something Assur.

    #935062
    🐵 ⌨ Gamanit
    Participant

    Wolf- bittul torah applies only to men, bittul zman applies equally to men and women.

    #935063
    BYbychoice
    Member

    If anything would be the problem in this converstaion it would be the fact that a female would even think of shas vechalila playing sports and moving (increasing chances of untzniusdik) around and outside the house,its unthinkable!

    happy to know others enjoy basketball to!!!

    #935064
    WIY
    Member

    Playing sports for physical fitness on a regular basis is a good thing, but I cant imagine that its 100% mutar to make leagues as they often lead to fights and arguments and people get very angry when they lose and what not.

    #935065
    shnitzy
    Member

    People argue about Gemora too.

    #935066
    Torah613Torah
    Participant

    I like running. Not too much opportunity though.

    #935067
    MCP
    Member

    SF – I misspoke, I meant CR is more likely to be Assur than sports

    #935068

    I used to golf as well… Although I haven’t picked up a golf club in over three years. If I was able to get membership to a gym, such as curves, then I think it would be a lot better for me because so far, if I have ever wanted a tough workout, I would literally have to fill a backpack with like thirty pounds of stuff and put it on my back and walk a really long distance. During the Jerusalem Marathon, I walked 7 out of the 10k with a 20 pound backpack on my back and then someone carried it the rest of the way (in case you are wondering, this is why I make sure I get a Northface backpack).

    In addition to that, when I was in public school, I pushed myself into a strength training class because I wanted to start lifting weights, and I was one of four girls out of a class with 36 people.

    #935069

    Also, I would love to pick up my golf clubs again, but the problem at the moment is that golf is a very expensive sport to do on such a frequent basis. Baruch Hashem, the park district in my suburb has a few golf courses, a driving range, and one of the golf courses, which is for short game, costs like $10 to play a round per person without membership.

    #935070
    rebdoniel
    Member

    I am too busy with work/internship, school, learning, and helping my mother to be worried about shtusim like this.

    In the words of a famous Youtube video and FB meme, “Ain’t nobody got time for that.”

    #935071

    Snowbunny, once someone knows the fundamentals of golf, it only takes a few range session to get back into it. Happens to me every year after purim time, I swing a bit and I’m back shooting mid 80s.

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