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  • #598078

    adams
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    Some states have very successful medical Marijauna programs,

    how does it look from your perspective, thinking about Colorado, California, some other western states.

    Why do you thing there is this prohibition on something that is less harmful than alchohol and tobbacco, and in fact has postive medical applications?

    #787960

    TheGoq
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    Well all i have to say is i think umm its probably a yknow it might be ummm , dude does anyone else want a pizza right now?

    #787961

    always here
    Participant

    Israel does, too.

    #787962

    lammed hey
    Member

    A friend with weed is a friend indeed!

    #787963

    yes I support it…it’s proven to help with many ailments. Including;

    Severe pain and persistent muscle spasms from multiple sclerosis…among others

    #787964

    basket of radishes
    Participant

    Marijuana is very harmful and most certainly more so than tobacco and alcohol. Alcohol can be used in moderation. Marijuana is an illicit way that people “get high” and have hallucinogenic and delirium producing experiences.

    That said, I do support this drug being used for Medical purposes only. I personally feel that the appetite inducing effects of THC are very beneficial for the end state cancer patient.

    I personally am a strong advocate of the medical uses of this drug, but it must be at the hands of a trained physician.

    I do believe that everything in creation has its purpose and that Hashem has given us this drug for a reason.

    But that said, I disagree that it has a recreational use.

    Also consider that there are many reports that Marijuana use has been linked to brain disorders such as schizophrenia.

    #787965

    I support the use of drugs for medicinal purposes.

    I agree, that long-term effects of marijuana are lower than that of alcohol and in worst case scenarios, not worse than alcholism.

    The fact is that both alcohol and marijuana when not used in moderation contribute to less productive individuals, broken homes and can become gateways to even worse substances. While under the influence inhibitions are lowered and criminal activity becomes more likely.

    Barring our halachic requirements for alcohol, I see more of a reason to make alcohol illegal then to make marijuana legal.

    #787966

    The Goq…very cute, now pass me some chips

    #787967

    adams
    Participant

    enhances creativity. much alchohol causes nastyness and violence, not same.

    What about reducing of stress and headaches? this is not a category for medical marijuana but isnt’ it a medical reason?

    Migrane headaches yes but not stam headaches.

    Why do we allow an adult to buy an aspirin as needed?

    #787968

    “Marijuana is an illicit way…not in Amsterdam it isnt 🙂

    #787969

    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    I’m in favor. I’m also in favor of lowering the drinking age to 18, and permitting parents to serve alcohol to their kids. (Many states restrict or forbid it.) Studies have shown that Jews and Italians have lower rates of alcoholism than other groups because they’re introduced to it at a young age under controlled circumstances.

    #787970

    when my kids were little and they were interested in the beautiful poured whiskey shots on the Kiddush table, i told them it tasted terrible. if they were still interested i put a drop of it, from my finger, on their tongues. today none of them like whiskey.

    #787971

    oomis
    Participant

    Though I have never tried it, and hope to never be in a position where I would benefit from it medically, I absolutely support the medically-supervised use of marijuana, by people undergoing chemotherapy. it has been demonstrated to reduce the nausea many people experience, and if it helps, I say go for it. But only under expert medical supervision.

    #787972

    adams
    Participant

    I happen to be against alchohol because I had a problem with it earlier in life. i had to go to 12 step meetings for a while.

    I dont’ think it should be in SHules at all.

    That said, i recognize that some or most can control it. but i have seen alot of men in shules drink way too much for 11am.

    I also gave to my sons at the Seder since they were 13-14 yo, so that they wouldn’t be tempted to sneak it.

    I also had Uncle who dies from this disease at relatively young age although he got recovery damaage was done.

    #787973

    Why do you thing there is this prohibition on something that is less harmful than alchohol and tobbacco, and in fact has postive medical applications?

    because it has been associated with a subculture of heroin use, violent crime, and other anti-social behavior.

    yes i support its medical use

    #787974

    Hocker101
    Member

    I wrote an essay about that in school. I strongly support it! Go weed!

    #787975

    minyan gal
    Member

    I certainly support the use of medical marijuana under very careful medical supervision. Supplying through controlled growing facilities and designated sales depots keeps costs down and quality controlled. However, I do know that here in Canada, patients using the government issued marijuana constantly are complaining about its poor quality and lack of efficacy and many patients obtain their supplies elsewhere. I have never tried it myself, although I am a chronic pain patient and have been on other narcotic medications for over 20 years. At one point, about 15 years ago (before the govt marijuana program), my physician offered me a script for the artificial THC medication to use for nausea. I declined it because my research showed that this medication (can’t remember the name) didn’t work all that well and had its own long list of side effects.

    #787976

    basket of radishes
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    To the fellow who reported above that he sees no problem making Alcohol illegal I say this:

    Have you not learned the lesson of history? Look at the prohibition era.

    Do you want to do away with the Kiddush since we would not be able to have wine?

    True if you are a person who drinks excessively you will have long term sickness and have many problems in life.

    Alcholism is a real and terrible illness. But that said, it is not endemic in our population. It is prevalent and it is something that we have a program for in our AA programs and other detoxification programs. We are a modern society.

    So I would never suggest making Alcohol illegal.

    The only problem I see with marijuana being illegal is that there is a horrible market for illegal drugs and there are many innocents who are slaughtered due to the war on drugs.

    #787977

    6HZ1W3J
    Participant

    i side with islamic law on smoking/drinking/drug issues.

    do any of you have simple common sense?

    i estimate the percentage of actual medicinal users well under 1%. all u do is walk in pay $85 and they hand you a license. (not that western law should be a decision factor)

    any studies to find out if it has any effect in 20 or 200+ generations?

    #787978

    haifagirl
    Participant

    Do any of you know why marijuana was made illegal in the first place? It wasn’t always illegal, you realize.

    Let’s say you didn’t like a certain type of people–for example, people who are left-handed. All you have to do is figure out something most lefties do that most righties don’t, make it illegal, and voila! you have the means to lock them up.

    In this case, in the 1930s marijuana was used mostly by minorities. Outlaw marijuana and you can lock them all up.

    Here are some quotes from Harry Anslinger, who was director of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics:

    There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others.

    There were, of course, other reasons. Hemp had industrial uses. There were men of industry who didn’t want the competition from hemp. Make it illegal and end the competition.

    All in all, there was little, if any, health-related reason in the decision to ban marijuana.

    #787979

    me:

    Barring our halachic requirements for alcohol, I see more of a reason to make alcohol illegal then to make marijuana legal

    b_o_r:

    Have you not learned the lesson of history? Look at the prohibition era.

    Do you want to do away with the Kiddush since we would not be able to have wine?

    #787980

    basket of radishes
    Participant

    Derech, That may be, but dont you enjoy a shot of whiskey after davening all day at noon? That was always a nice experience.

    You can not make one form of alcohol illegal and another form not illegal. And I personally enjoy a beer once in a while and love a shot of whiskey.

    #787981

    Health
    Participant

    “What about reducing of stress and headaches? this is not a category for medical marijuana but isnt’ it a medical reason?

    Migrane headaches yes but not stam headaches.”

    Statements like these prove the people who want legal pot are just potheads. Btw, there is already legal pot in a pill form. The pot heads want to smoke it without getting a ticket or going to jail. They just found a way to legalize it in some states by coming up with some sob story -I need it for my health. If you really need it for your health- what’s wrong with taking it in the pill form? How about coke -that’s good for xyz? And the list can go on & on.

    #787982

    minyan gal
    Member

    Health, the pill form contains synthetic THC manufactured by the pharmaceutical company and, I believe that it is not as efficacious as the genuine thing. (I don’t mean that it is my belief, it is what the studies have shown).

    #787983

    There is an alternative that is completely legal called Aromatherapy/Essential Oils. I read an article in the New York Times about a Hospice Center (I think in NY) using Essential Oils to ease the suffering of Terminal Patients. That being said Essential Oils could be another way for terminal patients to get relief from their pain. This would have to be a team effort with a Physcian and a licensed and experienced Aromatherapist caring with a Terminal Patient. Essential Oils makes scents to me.

    #787984

    Health
    Participant

    minyan gal – “I believe that it is not as efficacious as the genuine thing. (I don’t mean that it is my belief, it is what the studies have shown).”

    Those studies were from the potheads. Please post one study from a reliable medical source.

    I’m absolutely shocked that people posting on a Frum blog are in support of drug abusers (pot heads). I just hope that none of them are actually pot heads. Here is what the US Drug Czar (previously) wrote:

    In a White House press release, Drub Czar Walters urged Americans who depended on doctor-prescribed marijuana to look instead to “proven medicine by legitimate doctors,” for relief of pain caused by chronic illness. “Smoking illegal drugs may make some people ‘feel better.’ However, civilized societies and modern day medical practices differentiate between inebriation and the safe, supervised delivery of proven medicine by legitimate doctors,” stated Walters.

    On June 6, 2005, the Supreme Court ruled 6-3 that federal law can be used to prevent doctors from prescribing marijuana for treatment of pain caused by serious illnesses, including cancer.

    Walters also questioned the proven effectiveness of marijuana as a pain reliever. “To date, science and research have not determined that smoking a crude plant is safe or effective,” he said. “We have a responsibility as a civilized society to ensure that the medicine Americans receive from their doctors is effective, safe, and free from the pro-drug politics that are being promoted in America under the guise of medicine.”

    #787985

    charliehall
    Participant

    This site has the information for Marinol:

    http://www.rxlist.com/marinol-drug.htm

    “Medical marijuana” is just a fraud, pure and simple. Smoking marijuana has no medical use whatsoever, and smoking anything is dangerous.

    That said, marijuana is MUCH less of a public health hazard than alcohol. Potheads do not get violent, do not commit crimes of passion, and are not feared by the police the way that they fear people who are drunk. Just imagine what a disaster Woodstock would have been had the drug of choice been beer rather than pot! It is not clear that there has ever been anyone who has died from marijuana use. But potheads can suffer other effects — I had a roommate flunk out of college because he was high on pot for the entire semester.

    #787986

    “Medical marijuana” is just a fraud, pure and simple. Smoking marijuana has no medical use whatsoever

    could be, but where do you see that in the article you posted?

    besides which that article is about a *synthetic* version of *one*

    of the many active components of marijuana (albeit the one that scientists currently hold is the primary component that gives the cognitive effects). where is the evidence that consuming marijuana via the lungs, or orally is not effective in treating nausea and other medical conditions?

    you have to be very careful and knowledgeable in interpreting consumer medical website information.

    #787987

    please note in my above post that marijuana does NOT have to be smoked in order to experience its effects.

    #787988

    I support the legalization of medical marijuana to treat both physical and psychological cravings for marijuana.

    #787989

    Health
    Participant

    600 Kilo Bear – I like your sense of humor, but it’s a good thing you post anon. If you posted your name s/o might give it into your licensing board and they might call you out on this.

    #787990

    LOL I am not a licensed health care practitioner! Do you mean my parole board?

    #787991

    Health
    Participant

    Charlie – “That said, marijuana is MUCH less of a public health hazard than alcohol. Potheads do not get violent, do not commit crimes of passion, and are not feared by the police the way that they fear people who are drunk. Just imagine what a disaster Woodstock would have been had the drug of choice been beer rather than pot! It is not clear that there has ever been anyone who has died from marijuana use. But potheads can suffer other effects — I had a roommate flunk out of college because he was high on pot for the entire semester.”

    While I don’t know if your statement is accurate because I haven’t done research into it, I agree that alcohol should be under tight control. No drinking and driving and other laws should be strictly enforced. The only reason I disagree with prohibition is because there are many religions who use it for religious purposes, not just Judaism. So there is legitimate usage of alcohol, but as far as I know there are no legitimate usages of Pot, despite the potheads who claim all the medical benefits. If these potheads want so much to legalize it for medical use, let them apply to the federal gov. for a waiver and do legitimate medical studies. I guess it easier to convince state lawmakers to allow it, than going about it the right way.

    I’m actually surprised at Gov. Christy. I always understood the other states that don’t care about federal law because they are a bunch of bleeding hearts and don’t want to be called mean-spirited by these potheads. But until now, I thought Gov. Christy was not like them. He is a former US attorney and I thought law took precedence over politics. But I guess a politician is a politician, no matter what your background is – conservative or lib.!

    #787992

    Ctrl Alt Del
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    I would imagine that if someone were to manufacture a marijuana based medication in an appropriate inhalation delivery device I would be for it. Maybe even if it were done in cigarette form. But like all sched 3 drugs, its production and use would have to be controlled. Most proponents just want to have the ability to roll a joint without consequence.

    I don’t know, maybe it should be a sched 2 drug.

    #787993

    Health
    Participant

    ” Most proponents just want to have the ability to roll a joint without consequence.”

    And this is why I can’t understand why Christy is supporting these people. Aveira Gorres Aveira. Now the gov. of NY wants to legalize medical Pot!

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