March 14, 2012 1:24 am at 1:24 am #602475
My 11th grade is getting Dor Yeshorim this tuesday. I think it is not smart to do it in the schools. It is considered mandatory and it turns into hysteria. We are nervous enough as it is without having 60 girls freaking out at the same time.
By the way just as a side…how much blood do they usually take and how long does it take? Thanks!March 14, 2012 1:42 am at 1:42 am #1157891
not that much maybe half a gallon
Just KiddingMarch 14, 2012 1:55 am at 1:55 am #1157892
there is nothing to be nervous about, unless you have a personal fear of needles or blood. here’s what they did in my HS in a nutshell (if it will calm you down to just know the process). a couple of technicians from dor yeshorim will come (could be men, depending if ur school arranged for just women or not). they will probably wear gloves white lab coats (for sanitary purposes), dont let that scare you. then they call you in one by one, you sit down, roll up your sleeve and they tie a band around your upper arm. this allows them to find a vein in your arm. then they prick you with a needle- that is the only part that hurts/ pinches slightly. once the needle is in, you don’t feel a thing. if i recall they take 3-4 small vials, which is NOT alot. the whole thing is over in 5 minutes. if you think you’ll get queasy, then do what i did and DON’T LOOK. i just turned away and said please count 1-2-3 so i know when it will hurt. on ‘3’ it hurt for a second, and i just didn’t watch the blood being taken. 5 mins later it was over, really no big deal. then they give you a card that has a number on it and tell you 100 times dont lose it. that number is your dor yeshorim number for when you call up to see if ur compatible with someone. i thought i might lose the card so i actually just put the number into my phone as security.
I don’t know if my school arranged it, or DY did, but we had cookies and orange juice afterwards, to get our blood sugar back up. if you’re really very nervous, i’d recommend drinking extra water that day (before the test) so you’ll be more hydrated and have more energy to start with. the amount of blood they take is not enough to make you feel very ill, but everyone is different. i recall out of 80 girls in my grade only one felt so sick afterwards that she had to go home. everyone else just had alot of orange juice! the main thing is to have alot of sugar afterwards, this will give you some energy back.
its reeaaaallly not a big deal, and it happens to be very important. probably a couple of girls in your grade are nervous/scared and getting everyone else hyped up for no reason. i actually think its quite convenient that they do it in school, then no matter when a girl starts shidduchim (right after HS, after seminary), she has the info available.
good luck and you’ll be fine!March 14, 2012 2:09 am at 2:09 am #1157893
My girls did it and it was no big deal. the people are highly trained in drawing blood and it didn’t hurt. Mamash takes two seconds. I think they draw about two small vials of blood, not much. It is a good idea for your daughter to have it done because then the girls get busy with seminary and college. Don’t be nervous your daughter will do just fine! Hatzlocha!March 14, 2012 2:17 am at 2:17 am #1157894
Ha. When I did it I made sooo much fun of the girls sobbing and fainting right and left. (“what r u freaking out about?? U sit thru electrolosis for 20 minutes once a week!!!) Then it was my turn. Thats when I first discovered I have tiny veins. And get extremely light headed and nauseous around blood. Was pricked by every single person there on any and all veins u could think of. (Some of my teachers even got involved) Cried. Fainted. Walked out white and covered in band-ades over an hour later. Guess I deserved it. 🙂 G-d totally has a sense of humor.
Anyway being in a school setting made it into a really fun full day activity. Girls laughing and bawling and snapping pictures and chugging OJ. OOOO the drama. I still crack up remembering that day.March 14, 2012 2:18 am at 2:18 am #1157895
I had Dor Yeshurim last year. They take a small vile of blood and it takes about two minutes for each person.March 14, 2012 2:35 am at 2:35 am #1157896
I think it’s very smart to do dor yesharim in highschool. This way it’s over with, and you don’t have to worry about it when you’re in shidduchim. Also, don’t worry about it so much. It’s just a regular bloodtest like the doctor does for your yearly physical. Hatzlacha.March 14, 2012 3:21 am at 3:21 am #1157897
it’s no big deal. They take like 5 vials. from the arm.
Do it now, you don’t want to be dating someone, and then having to wait for the results.March 14, 2012 3:31 am at 3:31 am #1157898
How come they don’t do this in the boys high schools?March 14, 2012 3:31 am at 3:31 am #1157899
I had it done in HS also. And that was the first and last time I had I had such an experience. The person doing it pricked me tons till they found a vein. I was crying cuz it was painful. In the end they had the other person do it and he got in one shot. It’s just 3-4 vials I think and they are small.
Ps I have small veins but had quite a few blood draws both before and after dy that had no problems but dy was def the worst experience I had for a blood test. I would say 95% of ppl dont have a problem so based on that you will be fine
Also drink extra water before and if you can have some water/oj after so you don’t feel weak
Hatzlocha. You’ll be fineMarch 14, 2012 4:00 am at 4:00 am #1157900March 14, 2012 4:30 am at 4:30 am #1157901
s2021 -“Thats when I first discovered I have tiny veins.”
Yenta -“The person doing it pricked me tons till they found a vein. Ps I have small veins”
As a former vampire (Phlebotomist -I wear quite a few hats in medicine), that’s the line the incompetent techs use -“Oh, you have small veins.” Noone has poor veins unless they are elderly, babies and/or chronically ill.
Some are just too lazy to look for a good vein and some don’t know how to look. When I look at others who draw blood -the first thing I look for is what they grab for the draw -if they go for the butterfly, more often than not, they don’t know what they are doing!March 14, 2012 11:20 am at 11:20 am #1157902
do it now. its really not fun to wait a week and pay more between date three and four.March 14, 2012 12:14 pm at 12:14 pm #1157903
lol I think Health is right. My regular doctor never has to prick me more than once, but my Dor Yeshorim person pricked me three times in each arm, because she said my veins were very light or something. Not that it was so unbearably painful. It wasn’t. But still…March 14, 2012 1:15 pm at 1:15 pm #1157904
Big deal. We had so much fun together when we took Dor Yeshurim in school.
S2021- welcome back? Am I dreaming you weren’t here in a long while, or did I just not see your posts?
Btw I think about you a lot how you are.March 14, 2012 1:59 pm at 1:59 pm #1157905
sorry health. disagree again. even after the tourniquet, and dangling my arm and having my arm slapped, it still takes a good tech to get it in one shot. my veins don’t pop out and can only be found if the tech is good with feeling for veins ONLY. no visible veins even at the AC area. i needed an IV recently and the nurse-who works peds-also had a hard time finding a vein to use
the DY person was bad to begin with so add that to the above and you get a disaster.
and BTW i prefer if the tech uses the butterfly. their hand is steadier going in.March 14, 2012 5:39 pm at 5:39 pm #1157906
How come they don’t do this in the boys high schools?
DY came to my yeshiva about once every other year or so. Yeshiva gedola I mean. It wouldn’t make much sense to come in high school, since the guys won’t be dating for 7 or 8 years yet.March 14, 2012 8:45 pm at 8:45 pm #1157907
I remember being a little nervous for DY but it was no big deal. Little did I know that a few years later I’d be going for fertility treatments and getting blood tests 3 times a week. I can tell u now…Its sooo not a big deal. These are the easy things in life : )March 14, 2012 9:02 pm at 9:02 pm #1157908
ha ha ha haMember
a school that has dy is the best thing!!! a lot of ppl who don’t get it in school forget abt it untill things are serouse with someone and then you have to pay for rush!!March 14, 2012 9:33 pm at 9:33 pm #1157909
Do plenty of exercise before and drink lots of water. It works wonders!!!March 14, 2012 9:45 pm at 9:45 pm #1157910
I felt better before I posted this. I never had a blood test in my life (maybe when I was like five) and I am very nervous about having dor yeshorim as my first one. How long are they actually taking blood for? Because five minutes is a long time yentish!!March 15, 2012 2:06 am at 2:06 am #1157911
musical: the whole THING takes 5 minutes, from sitting in the chair to being done. they have to find a vein, insert needle, connect vials. taking the blood out maybe takes 1 minute.
and you’d better get used to the blood tests iy”H for when ur pregnant….there’s alot of ’em!March 15, 2012 3:16 am at 3:16 am #1157912
Health- Nah I think I really do cuz the 2 times I got blood drawn since then everyone in the office had to come and try to get the needle in good. They all kept poking through or something. Eew gross I just made myself nauseous.
Hi smartcookie. Ya its really me. Been like 6 or 8 months. Iv been doing great Baruch Hshem thanx for asking.March 15, 2012 4:33 am at 4:33 am #1157913
From my personal experience, the reason they do it in highschool is just to charge you money.
When I was in eleventh grade every student had to do Dor Yeshorim. But then I went to Yeshiva and started shidduchim some six years later.
When I started dating my wife, Dor Yeshorim would give ANY information, because since I took the test they added two more test, so I had to take everything all over and pay more than $250 because it had to be rushed besides for the $70 that I paid when I was in highschool.
I wished there was someone to talk to, but the only one to speak to was the Russian nurse drawing blood who didn’t know much.March 15, 2012 4:52 am at 4:52 am #1157914
Suppose a girl doesn’t want to do it. Is she forced? Just curious.March 15, 2012 2:11 pm at 2:11 pm #1157915
mamshtakah: from my experience with dor yesharim in high school, no one is forced, there is pressure to do it but no one is forced. I had a friend who’s mother was insistant that her daughter have her blood drawn in a sterile environment, not in some office at school. Then there were the complete sephardi girls that didnt take it at all and there were a couple of girls with mixed ashkenaz/sefard in the family tree so they did take it.
Its really nothing to worry about. Its in and out and thats it. Of course its fun to make a big deal about it, so maybe do the whole song and dance about how nervous you are and then you will be pleasantly surprised about how easy it was! 😉March 15, 2012 5:29 pm at 5:29 pm #1157916
yentingyenta -“sorry health. disagree again.”
This ain’t no Chiddush when it comes to me.
“even after the tourniquet, and dangling my arm and having my arm slapped, it still takes a good tech to get it in one shot. my veins don’t pop out and can only be found if the tech is good with feeling for veins ONLY. no visible veins even at the AC area.”
Competence is being able to feel for veins; anybody can just see a vein if it’s visible -this doesn’t mean they are competent.
“i needed an IV recently and the nurse-who works peds-also had a hard time finding a vein to use”
In this case, it’s hard to judge because some practioners don’t want to start the IV in the AC -so she/he might have been fishing around awhile before they got it. She/he might know how to find a vein, but they were being particular for whatever reason.
“and BTW i prefer if the tech uses the butterfly. their hand is steadier going in.”
The reason that their hand is steadier is either they never learnt with a needle & vacutainer holder or they are incompetent with the needle & vacutainer holder.March 15, 2012 5:38 pm at 5:38 pm #1157917
s2021 -“Health- Nah I think I really do cuz the 2 times I got blood drawn since then everyone in the office had to come and try to get the needle in good. They all kept poking through or something.”
S2021 -Naaah, I don’t think sooooo. I know you are not an infant and I don’t think you’re an old gal, but are you chronically ill?
If not, then those people are incompetent.March 15, 2012 5:47 pm at 5:47 pm #1157918
she ended up using a vein abt 1″ distal and medial to the AC. she ended up there cuz wanted to run fluids fast.
re the AC, i hear its used mostly in the ER cuz its quick and big but hosp policy by us is change it w/ in 24 hrs for a dif site. i dont like the AC cuz its iffy with positioning and flexion of the elbo
i haven’t had the opportunity to draw blood yet but all the draws i’ve seen are w/ butterflies. i don’t even know if they hosp has needles and vacutainers. but i’ve had draws done on me where first they tried needle/vacutainer then tried a second time with the butterfly and were successful.
at the end of the day, if they get it in one stick, does it really matter what they use? if the tech is more competent with one over the other, i say let them use what they want! make sense?March 15, 2012 6:35 pm at 6:35 pm #1157919
yentingyenta -“she ended up using a vein abt 1” distal and medial to the AC. she ended up there cuz wanted to run fluids fast.
re the AC, i hear its used mostly in the ER cuz its quick and big but hosp policy by us is change it w/ in 24 hrs for a dif site. i dont like the AC cuz its iffy with positioning and flexion of the elbo”
This is what I was talking about. She could have first tried elsewhere because of this policy.
“at the end of the day, if they get it in one stick, does it really matter what they use? if the tech is more competent with one over the other, i say let them use what they want! make sense?”
Competence is Not defined if you get the blood on the first try. To be competent is to know what you’re doing. So you have to know – how to use all equipment, not just a butterfly. Do you think I got every eldery pt. on the first try? No, I haven’t, but I’m still competent. That’s why I say -I can tell incompetence if the first thing they pull out is the butterfly for a draw. There is a place for butterflies and for all equipment, but unless it will be a difficult stick -there is no reason to use one.
As far as all these incompetent personell having jobs -I don’t believe they should hire anyone or e/o just because they have some piece of paper with some sort of license or degree on it.
This is true whether they are volunteers or paid professionals.March 15, 2012 7:49 pm at 7:49 pm #1157920
health- “As far as all these incompetent personell having jobs -I don’t believe they should hire anyone or e/o just because they have some piece of paper with some sort of license or degree on it.”
THIS i agree with 1000000%.
however, i disagree on the butterfly usage. yes in a perfect world we would all know how to use all equipment properly and at the right time. but in the real world, not happening any time soon. i still think its better the tech can get it one shot and not get the pt annoyed she missed it on the first second or even third try w/ a needle & vacutainer.March 15, 2012 7:56 pm at 7:56 pm #1157921
This is ridiculous! It is just a stupid little bloodtest.
Seriously, this is why I am convinced that childbirth is really just as hard as going to the bathroom. Reading this thread, if I hadn’t had the DY test, I would have thought it was something scary or painful or traumatic. But, I have had the DY test.
The same is true of childbirth. Women can make all the big deal they want about it, because the men can’t contradict them. But I see through it. If men gave birth, they would do it at work and then continue working (or at the TV and then continue watching, as the case may be).March 15, 2012 8:44 pm at 8:44 pm #1157922
@pba, I sure hope for you your wife won’t ever read what you just wrote. 🙂 I’ll leave any other response to your post to the ladies, but I think you are extremely brave to say such a thing, perhaps a bit too much so!
Now, on topic, you’re absolutely right. I’ve had blood tests so many times – the last was just a couple of months ago – and I have a hair disorder for which I am currently receiving treatment consisting of about 15 injections in my head every couple of weeks. Anyway, blood tests are a joke. I certainly don’t enjoy them, but it literally hurts for just a few seconds (only the insertion hurts) and then even only a bit.March 15, 2012 9:04 pm at 9:04 pm #1157923
musicaldignity-i agree with you! Posts here make it sound scary! But i guess those with stories have more to post :D. Everyone does get nervous their first time, and 98% come out saying, i can’t believe i made a big deal about that. Its quick and not a lot and really not a big deal. Don’t worry about it, every year the kids go crazy, and forget abt the whole thing after a day.March 16, 2012 12:26 am at 12:26 am #1157924
Popa I dont know how old you are but for teenage girls who had one or two blood tests in their life (some of them none) and if they did it was maybe one or two vials. What I am the most nervous about is the unknown. Also my family are very deep thinkers. I know its basically a psychological issue. My brother almost fainted the first time he had one. I hope everything will be ok. How weak do you really get afterwards because I have a wedding that night…March 16, 2012 3:49 am at 3:49 am #1157925
some people don’t feel weak at all after, some for 5 minutes, as far as i know, maximum half hour. But if you drink some juice after or eat something it makes a big difference. You should be more than fine for a wedding that night!March 16, 2012 8:53 am at 8:53 am #1157926
According to Yahoo answers, each vial is about 10 ml of blood, so you can figure it’s about 30 ml altogether. We have about 5 liters of blood in our bodies, so it’s obviously just a tiny bit. When a person donates blood, it is about 1/2 liter (500 ml), which is more than 10 times that amount. The “weakness” people refer to is probably the drop in blood pressure experienced from a vasovagal reaction, which, according to Yahoo Answers, is very common. It’s caused by activation of the vagal nerve, which causes a drop in heart rate and blood pressure. Like others said, drink some OJ and eat a few cookies. Maybe you should be one of the first so that you can rest for an hour or so afterwards while the other girls are having their blood taken. You should be fine by the time of the chassanah. Also, I don’t recommend looking at the needle when they put it in or while it’s in your arm. That’s the part I don’t like.March 16, 2012 3:49 pm at 3:49 pm #1157927
The first time I gave blood, I almost fainted afterwards. So then they wanted me to stay lying down for a while. But I left.
Then, I went a second time anyway, even though I knew I almost fainted the first time. The second time, I felt really really faint. Also I hadn’t eaten much that day. So then they really were yelling at me to stay. But I left.March 16, 2012 4:31 pm at 4:31 pm #1157928
Popa you are not being very reassuringMarch 16, 2012 4:36 pm at 4:36 pm #1157929
musical: That was giving blood. It is a whole pint. As noted above by someone, a blood test is a small fraction of that amount.
Really, it is not big deal. You just walk in, roll up your sleeve, watch intently as they stick it in, wonder about how dark the blood looks in the vials, and then go eat your cookies and wonder about how many calories they have and if the blood they took had calories in it. (probably it uses up calories to replace the blood, so you have free license to go to Carlos and Gabbys and fress that night.)March 16, 2012 5:04 pm at 5:04 pm #1157930
Yenta -“however, i disagree on the butterfly usage.”
I will not fault you on your opinion because you are just a student. But it is incompetence to always use a butterfly, even though I know many do. One of my phlebotomy books states that you have to use pediatric tubes with the butterfly. (Noone does -not even me.) The problem with regular tubes is you can cause the vein to collapse and/or cause hemolysis. So if all they are drawing with -is the butterfly -this is incompetence. The purpose is for only in difficult situations. And if you do decide to only use butterflies and only ped tubes, even for adults, the lab will have a cow and you will be fired before you can say -“Hi, I’m the vampire.”
“i still think its better the tech can get it one shot and not get the pt annoyed she missed it on the first second or even third try w/ a needle & vacutainer.”
Sorry to say, most competent practioners (like me) can get it with one shot using the needle, on most pts.!March 16, 2012 5:22 pm at 5:22 pm #1157931
yes i’m a student. and hope to be one ALWAYS in the sense that i will always learn new things.
one thing i learned a long time ago is that hospitals hate spending money. hence the incompetent staff.
and what are peds tubes? i only see regular tubes with the butterflies
one last thing, no need to toot your own horn.March 18, 2012 4:18 am at 4:18 am #1157932
PBA two posts (childbirth and calories) really made me laugh.
Although I believe that childbirth is painful, I think that most women are making it sound a lot worse.
Let’s not forget about the six week maternity leave that comes along.March 18, 2012 11:04 am at 11:04 am #1157933
PBA & 2scents, have you ever been in a L&D room with a woman in labor? I have and they are in lots and lots of pain and some are very vocal about it … (which is why I don’t want to work there when I get my RN). It IS one of the klallos we woman got from H’ way back in Beraishis.
But I do agree most girls blow dy out of proportion. It’s just a stupid blood test! Grow up!!!March 18, 2012 3:49 pm at 3:49 pm #1157934
yentingyenta -“one thing i learned a long time ago is that hospitals hate spending money. hence the incompetent staff.”
It’s not just hospitals -it’s a lot of people/companies in the medical field. How many Dr.’s offices have competent staff?
Money isn’t everything; even though some people believe it is.
“and what are peds tubes? i only see regular tubes with the butterflies”
They are just smaller tubes – meant for babies & small kids.
They fit in a pediatric tube holder. Google it for pics.
“one last thing, no need to toot your own horn.”
If not me, then who? I have hardly ever gotten any compliments from any of the posters here.March 18, 2012 5:03 pm at 5:03 pm #1157935
oh come one health. i agreed with on something, thats not good enough?
i hate incompetent ppl. esp ones with MD after their name. thank G-d my pcp is not included in that group.
but if a peds tube gets enough blood for lab results, why would the lab scream exactly? i did Google it but didn’t get the results i wanted. how much smaller are the peds tubes than adult tubes?
i apologize for the last line. it was a tough week-had to complete my LAST careplan and was really stressing me out. sorryMarch 18, 2012 5:52 pm at 5:52 pm #1157936
yentingyenta -“oh come one health. i agreed with on something, thats not good enough?”
Oh, you finally agreed with me on something -I should make a Shecheeyunoo!
“but if a peds tube gets enough blood for lab results, why would the lab scream exactly?”
Because it takes a longer technique to process those tubes. So to do it correctly (by butterfly usage) you’d always have to send the mini-tubes to the lab and they’d freak out because you are constantly giving them more work than needed. So therefore I don’t even use those mini-tubes, except in rare situations, eg. babies, elderly which are very difficult sticks, etc.
“i did Google it but didn’t get the results i wanted. how much smaller are the peds tubes than adult tubes?”
Much smaller. Search BD microtainers & microcuvettes. If this isn’t good enough ask your pediatrician, if you still use one, even if you don’t, I’m sure your siblings have one, next time you go to him/her to show you what they are.March 18, 2012 5:55 pm at 5:55 pm #1157938
yes I have been in the L&D unit a few times, I have also assisted OB Patients in the pre hospital setting.
I admit that it is painful, however I do think that it is blown out of proportion.
Sorry about that, however this is what I think.March 18, 2012 5:57 pm at 5:57 pm #1157939
Although I try to refrain from giving personal compliments on an anonymous blog.
However I do see that you would make a great RN as you love to learn, and your easy going nature.
Have a bunch of Hatzloche.March 18, 2012 6:40 pm at 6:40 pm #1157940
health, thanx will google that soon. next time i’m on the floor i’m going to even see if they have those on reg med surg floors.
2scents, thanks for the compliment. it means alot.
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