Drafting Chareidim

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  • #961735

    Unfortunately the coalition talks aren’t looking good for Torah,we need Hashem’s help

    #961736
    charliehall
    Participant

    “Yahadut Hatorah (or UTJ) has never accepted a top level cabinet position. their Gedolim forbid it.”

    Not true. Rabbi Yitzhak-Meir Levin served in the first three Israeli cabinets as Welfare Minister. Interestingly for today, he resigned in protest over a national service law for women.

    #961737
    ifti99
    Member

    Chevron: “We need to keep things in balance. We should have a Yissoschor / Zevulin relationship. 50% of Klal Yisroel (and Israelis) should be learning all day and 50% should be working (and supporting the learners.)”

    Great! I’ve worked all my life. I’d like to sit and learn for a couple of years. Will you agree to support me? Or were you only interested in people like me supporting you?

    #961739
    benignuman
    Participant

    “We need to keep things in balance. We should have a Yissoschor / Zevulin relationship. 50% of Klal Yisroel (and Israelis) should be learning all day and 50% should be working (and supporting the learners.)”

    Why did only Yissochar and Zevulun have this relationship? Why not all the shevatim?

    #961740
    ohr chodesh
    Member

    Less than 1% of Jews today (in Israel and out of Israel) learn Torah full-time today. And of the over 99% of Jews that don’t learn full-time, most of them don’t learn at all. So the balance we need is to increase the number of Yidden learning Torah full-time today. We need more Kolleleit.

    #961741

    Please draft charedim into the army. Those who want to serve, or to do national service, are the ones who will have a huge hashpooh on their fellow soldiers and citizens. That will lead to a wave of tshuva – and sof hamedina as the followers of Herzl and Weizmann and Ben Gurion, all of less than blessed memory, envisioned it.

    The chilonim will soon see how the dos will become the boss. If that happens, I’ll retire there in a couple of decades and bring my Shabbos shoes to Yair Lapid for polishing (or throw him a few agorot in front of the tachana hamerkazit).

    A draft of charedim = national suicide, and I do not think it will happen. That is too bad, because it could lead to rebuilding of the medine.

    #961742
    rafbob123
    Member

    My rosh yeshiva stood up and said the following this week.

    “In the old days, the non-frum and the government had the zechus of supporting torah, now that they have removed that protection, because of kol yisroel areivim, we must daven for their welfare. I’m not worried about the people learning torah, but for the people who have broken down their shields of being the Zevulun”

    and I thought that was an interesting speech.

    #961743
    OURtorah
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    akuperma- “If you look at other countries, such as the American Jewish community after the Revolution, the Civil War, and the world wars – there is certainly a reason for the zionists to hope that mass conscription into regular army units will enable a preservation of the zionist majority.”

    From my understand of the situation, the Jews with a more Zionistic outlook are not calling for the Gzerios of Bochrim into the army for the purpose of causing our boys to conform to their ideals and outlook.

    That being said, we need to be sure that Bochrim don’t get pulled into a way of life that we don’t nessicarily agree with, but respect. To be a truly loving Jew, we can’t speak about other Jews like you speak of them. The Zionists aren’t looking for a majority, I believe they are looking for unity with the Charieidim. They believe in fighting for Israel, we believe in fighting for Eretz Yisroel. Should there be more appropriate way of asking our opinion on this Gezeria instead of forcing it? I’d wish so.

    #961744
    OURtorah
    Participant

    akuperma- “If you look at other countries, such as the American Jewish community after the Revolution, the Civil War, and the world wars – there is certainly a reason for the zionists to hope that mass conscription into regular army units will enable a preservation of the zionist majority.”

    From my understand of the situation, the Jews with a more Zionistic outlook are not calling for the Gzerios of Bochrim into the army for the purpose of causing our boys to conform to their ideals and outlook.

    That being said, we need to be sure that Bochrim don’t get pulled into a way of life that we don’t nessicarily agree with, but respect. To be a truly loving Jew, we can’t speak about other Jews like you speak of them. The Zionists aren’t looking for a majority, I believe they are looking for unity with the Charieidim. They believe in fighting for Israel, we believe in fighting for Eretz Yisroel. Should there be more appropriate way of asking our opinion on this Gezeria instead of forcing it? I’d wish so.

    #961745
    Toi
    Participant

    ou- you said- “I believe they are looking for unity with the Charieidim…”

    that is a load of bunk.

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