October 24, 2011 6:34 pm at 6:34 pm #600137
What is the issur of fressing on the street?
And is eating in a restaurant in front of an see-in glass window to the street the same?October 24, 2011 7:02 pm at 7:02 pm #820491
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I believe, and I could be wrong. The isser is eating while walking (in the shuk) because it is the derech of dogs to eat that way. As benei hamelech we hold ourselves to a higher standard. I believe it mentions it in brachos, but I don’t know the exact source.
Since it’s walking, I think sitting in a restaurant even if the tables are mamash outside onto the sidewalk would be ok.October 24, 2011 7:05 pm at 7:05 pm #820492
Rabbi Miller Zatzal once said if you see someone eating in the street, tell him to go to a tree and pick up his hind legs…October 24, 2011 7:20 pm at 7:20 pm #820494
The gemara says one who eats on the street is compared to a dog (doimeh L’kelev). i.e. it is not a morally correct place to eat. Outside is a place where dogs eat. If one wants to eat something, you sit by a table make a brocho, and eat. Ideally, we can’t view eating as stam an act we enjoy and don’t put any thought into it. Rather, the way a yid supposed to eat, is he must think (as always, BEFORE doing ANY action)that he is eating this delicious food Hashem provided him, and hopes to be strengthened by it and be healthy, in order to continue to serve Him. Eating is an Avodah, it’s another way we can serve Hashem when done properly. A dog eats out of instict. He smells food, runs and eats. Indoors, outdoors, anywhere. For a yid eating in the street is not a place to eat (i.e. difficult place to concentrate on eating Lishmah)
This is what I was thinking. Does it sound right?October 24, 2011 7:53 pm at 7:53 pm #820496
Was there something wrong with my post???October 24, 2011 9:23 pm at 9:23 pm #820497
yit- alot of mione arent going through either. i think this sites got hackedOctober 24, 2011 9:33 pm at 9:33 pm #820498
I always wondered…are things like gum/water included in this issur?October 24, 2011 9:39 pm at 9:39 pm #820499
If from the street you can see people fressing inside a restaurant, is that forbidden too to eat there?October 24, 2011 9:44 pm at 9:44 pm #820500
No, they aren’t.
In Masechta Kallah it says specifically that it only refers to bread, or when eating in a gluttonous fashion. Here is the link to the source (I hope it doesn’t get deleted this time):http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=37970&st=&pgnum=680. It’s on the bottom of the first column.
Rabbeinu Tam in Kiddushin (40b) says something similar, that it is referring to eating bread, which Tosafos explains as a meal. See the end of the bottom Tosafos here: http://www.hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=20&daf=40b&format=pdf (according to the other opinion in Tosafos, this whole halacha doesn’t really apply the way we are understanding it here).October 24, 2011 10:24 pm at 10:24 pm #820501
So it ONLY applies to bread? You can eat ANYTHING else?
By the way, thanks for the sources…October 24, 2011 10:29 pm at 10:29 pm #820502
OneOfMany – I mentioned another qualification, “gluttonous” eating. I think that part is dependent on social norms. So gum and water yes, maybe a bag of chips too, or a snack on the bus, etc. etc., but not a bucket of fried chicken on your way to the bus stop.October 24, 2011 10:40 pm at 10:40 pm #820503
since it seems to me that you are accepting upon yourself, based on information in this thread, that it is ok to eat things other than bread in the street, as long as its not gluttonous…
i strongly suggest you ask a Posek first
this is not at all how i understand the Halacha.
i dont have any sources for youOctober 24, 2011 10:44 pm at 10:44 pm #820504
Is there any reason eating a bucket of fried chicken on the bus would be any different than eating a bucket of fried chicken visible to the street from a restaurant window?October 24, 2011 10:49 pm at 10:49 pm #820505
The restaurant is not in the street. It might face the street and be visible to the street but it is not in the street, and it is completely normal to eat there.
80 – Ask Popa, ha ha.October 24, 2011 10:50 pm at 10:50 pm #820506
I’m not really accepting anything…I’m just curious. I DO drink water in the street, and I wondered if there was anything wrong with that. I don’t think I’d eat much more in the street, whether it was okay or not…October 24, 2011 10:50 pm at 10:50 pm #820507
How about eating on your front lawn or bungalow outdoor porch?October 24, 2011 10:55 pm at 10:55 pm #820508
Your bungalow porch isn’t the street either. Your front lawn probably depends on where you live.October 24, 2011 11:10 pm at 11:10 pm #820510
S/o once asked R Avigdor Miller ZT’L regarding this topic, what if it’s only a snack. R A.M. answered “Then you’re only a puppy.”October 25, 2011 11:19 am at 11:19 am #820511
So, how come Boone has a problem with people standing and fressing at kiddushes and smorgasbords?October 25, 2011 12:57 pm at 12:57 pm #820512
I like that answer, BSD. Thanks for sharing.October 25, 2011 1:58 pm at 1:58 pm #820513
In Lakewood there is a pizza store with no tables, because they dont want people mingling.
If you cant eat the Pizza slice in the store, People will eat it in the streetOctober 25, 2011 2:30 pm at 2:30 pm #820514
“I always wondered…are things like gum/water included in this issur?”
For gum you are compared to a cow(doimeh L’parah).October 25, 2011 6:03 pm at 6:03 pm #820515
Chewing gum anytime is compared to a cow?October 25, 2011 6:40 pm at 6:40 pm #820516
shein -If it’s a habit of yours.October 25, 2011 7:01 pm at 7:01 pm #820517
So what about gum or candy? Is the issur only while walking? What if I sit down on a park bench (outside) to eat something, and then stand up? What is meant by “the street”?October 25, 2011 7:04 pm at 7:04 pm #820518
stop being so technical!
BSD- awesome answer!!!!! thanks!October 25, 2011 7:20 pm at 7:20 pm #820519
“Eating on the Street”
Did someone spread a blanket out on the street and have a picnic? What are you asking? If the concern is that people see you (IE the comment about sitting near the window of a restaurant), then why is sitting around the table with other people any different?
Regarding walking around and eating, even inside it may be an issue regarding brachos and bracha achrona, birchas hamazon (IE where is the kvius seuda etc…), depending how where you go from/to.October 25, 2011 8:23 pm at 8:23 pm #820520
Eating on the street is quite chazerish.October 25, 2011 10:41 pm at 10:41 pm #820521
taking a breakMember
walking and eating not even on the street is chazerish. i was in my college cafeteria today and there was a dude walking around and eating a roll or sandwich or something. i was ready to tell him “DUDE!!!! sit while you eat PLEASE!!!!” it was shnasty to the nth degreeOctober 25, 2011 11:01 pm at 11:01 pm #820522
I believe it is shnasty to use the word “shnasty.”
The WolfOctober 26, 2011 2:21 am at 2:21 am #820523
“it was shnasty to the nth degree”
I believe it is shnasty to use the word “shnasty.”
I think tab was being a good Jew and a used a shortened version of “nasty shmasty”. Shnasty covered everything. 🙂October 26, 2011 2:39 am at 2:39 am #820524
taking a breakMember
Actually kapusta it’s just the word I use to describe ssomething that is disgusting but nasty just isn’t the right word to describe it. And as Wolf said, the word shnasty does sound well shnastyOctober 26, 2011 3:54 am at 3:54 am #820525
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