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I knew that would catch your attention. . .
Gut Voch. Was just curious as to the thoughts of our deep intellectuals here in the Coffee Room. After a couple of days of rioting and havoc in Mitzraim, where do you think its heading?
I have a slight voice deep down telling me that nothing will change. They will shuffle the deck of leaders but will still remain the same old deck of cards. Look back at Iran last year, the protests were much larger, and intense, but after a few days the police quieted everything down and all went back to normal. Am I wrong?
What are your thoughts?
(I apologize that this thread is not about shidduchim, but if you can, you may tie it in. . .)
I’m a little confused. You want the Egyptian government to fall?
You know that the current gov is considered left-wing by Islamic standards and the Muslim Brotherhood will likely take over, right?
new2thescene: Thanks for pulling me in here. Good topic.
If they succeed in the uprising – which includes some anti-American sentiments- they may join Iran’s side as a practicality.
I think that would really change the whole Shidduch scene. Oops, um, I mean political scene.
Just my feeling. Agree? anyone else?
This is a very dangerous situation.
There will not be any “democracy” taking over in Egypt, if the regime falls.
Yes, the protests were started by college students, and the middle-class, but the Muslim Brotherhood will be taking control.
Just understand that they will be taking over a country armed to the teeth by the U.S including F16’s, and other sophisticated weaponry.
Although the first few days of protests just focused on Mubarak and his regime, the latest footage on al Jazeera Tv shows graffiti cursing out America for supporting the regime.
Anyone who doesn’t see this danger, has his head in a cave.
If you want to compare the situation to Iran, compare it to Iran 30 years ago.
I agree this is very scary, especially with hizbullah taking control of lebanaon
we should all have bitachon
to new2thescene, I am pretty sure that this change if it happens will be the absolute detriment of Israel. the only change will be to radical muslim extremists. We all need to daven hard!!
new2thescene: If the brotherhood can’t organize on their own, Iran and/or its many proxies will be right there to help them. After reading this, it is very very dangerous.
Our Holy land was always in a scary situation, but now it seems to have become a whole lot scarier.
Thanks for looking up the foreign aid numbers.
This can only end badly. Muslim countries know dictatorships or theocracies. There is no concept of democracy or human rights under Islam. The Muslim Brotherhood is involved in the events in Egypt. If Mubarak falls (and he probabaly will), the cold peace between Israel and Egypt is dead. And Jordan won’t be too far behind.
scary.
We should pray for the saftey of foreign people trapped in Cairo, and not able to leave the country.
Does anybody know if there are is a Jewish Community in Cairo?
Well we all know that HKB”H is busy being mezaveg zivugim and that it is kosheh k’krias yam suf. If we look in az yashir we see that “???? ????????? ????? ??????”. The relationship between a horse and rider is also compared to the relationship between the neshama and guf. This relationship is one of nosein and mekabel. It is also mirrored in another relationship- the husband and wife. Now during the shidduch crisis when our singles are suffering- as though HKB”H has cast them away- out to the sea, it is only appropriate that the Mitzrim should reflect our suffering in this area.
Come on honestly. How many people thought they’d be able to find a connection??
Hey New, I checked in because this was titled crises and I was wondering just how many you were going to be talking about.
Seriously, last night Rabbi Reisman mentioned how we need to be davening, and davening hard; the ramifications are scary.
This is bad news for the Jews. The Muslim Brotherhood [known as Islamic Jihad in Gaza] is behind it. They are causing unrest in many other countries besides for Egypt including Jordan. If the Government falls we are in trouble being that they are armed with the finest american weapons including the M1 Abrams tank. The difference between Iran is that Iran has no problem killing anyone who disagrees with them. Also it seems a lot heavier than Iran being that it is in more than one country. We all should just daven and hope for the best.
Yakovdownunder,
yes there is I heard they rededicated the Rambam’s shul recently
There is little question that if this “revolution” succeeds, we will be faced with a much more anti-America and anti-Israel Eygpt. The question is only if Mubarak can manage to win the support of the military, and hang on to power.
Derech HaMelech:
Duly impressed…
This thread is refreshing. Most posters seem to appreciate the last 30 years of peace between Egypt and Israel and the uncertainty of the future of Egyptian politics and Egyptian policy toward Israel. And, refreshingly, no one has blamed Barack Hussein Obama, America’s foreign-born Communist president, for any of the events so far. The one thing I would add at this time is that we must understand the limits of US influence on the situation. The other one thing I would add is that turmoil among Muslims, like turmoil among Europeans, often leads to scapegoating, and there are no gypsies in the Middle East.
As for the Jewish community in Cairo, Nasser kicked them out in 1952, and I do not know whether any have returned since then.
tzippi, thanks for your post. We do need to do a lot of davening. what else did Rabbi Reisman say about the situation? He is such an amazing person, a torah giant, and a hugh Anav… (and he doesnt need my Haskama..)
The overall context was how true nekama is seeig real justice come, without any negios on our parts, and how we have to be “klal Yisrael fans”, promoting our interests in the purest way, with achdus. (Maybe I’m extrapolating a bit, those last few words.)
There are certain groups of people in every society, who don’t like their social status. This was the basis of socialism and communism. Here in America we have such groups also whom believe they should get something for nothing. They don’t revolt like they did in the sixties because they are fed welfare and other many social services. This uprising can have one of three possible outcomes either Egypt becomes more democratic, which is the least likely scenario. The other two are about equal -either Mubarak remains in power or they become another Iran. As much as I am against violence against protesters, it seems if they don’t use force right now, they will sink into another Iran. American leaders have no concept of the mentality of the people that live over there. They think they all can be a great democratic country, like us. My proof is look at history, the Shah of Iran was hated by the people. When the Students revolted, the US pressured the Shah to leave. He did and not only did democracy not take over, but it remains the center of radical muslims today. Iran is about to threaten world peace with their development of nukes. If Egypt falls because of these demonstrations, the students aren’t taking over the gov.; it will be the Muslim Brotherhood and the radicals. How do I know? Maybe muslim radicals are capable of sitting in a democratic gov.? Well here is another example -Lebanon. Hizbollah has been sitting in the Lebanese gov. democratically for years. But now they wanted to bring some terrorists to justice for murder of the former Prime Minister. What happenned -Hizbollah broke the gov. This is their version of democracy -you do any violence against us -this is a crime, but we can do anything against you and we are freedom fighters. This new power will threaten world peace immediately, it’s not going to take them 30 years like Iran. It won’t just threaten Israel, but the whole West! Now you know why we need conservatives to lead our country, not liberals like we have- calling for mercy on the students. Isolationism never worked and this was the reason we almost lost both World Wars. We need real leadership in the White House right now, not people who are falling over backwards to be PC. We need to tell Mubarack that in no certain terms anarchy can’t be permitted. They must stop it, even if innocents unfortunately become victims and then they can talk reforms. But what do you hear from the libs in power? “Egypt- we kept warning you over the last 30 years and now it’s too late!” Thank you libs, but I for one don’t want another Iran no matter what!
im selling outa of the market on monday morning.. ill buy back in when this thing settles down… holy cow. ppl are gonna be killing each other . its gonna be a egypt civil war…
who ever wants to make big money.. go short some stocks. i would short frieght companys bec they will close the egypt canal, and then…..
and BUY OIL
Interesting interview: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/article.php?p=82310
Y.W. Editor-
Thank you for posting the interview.
Malcolm Hoenlein is one of the few people I actually enjoy hear speaking – his knowledge of the Mid-East, the various organizations and governments, and people involved is almost unparalleled. His analyses are very insightful and untainted by personal biases. I always feel after hearing him speak that we were presented with an accurate and fair picture of what’s going on.
I also found his aside about Rand Paul interesting – I am not sure myself what to make of Mr. Paul.
Several years ago I had the opportunity to hear his regular Friday interview on Nachum Segal’s show. My job no longer allows me to listen to the radio at that time.
If you have other opportunities to interview Mr. Hoenlein, I’d be interested in listening to those interviews.
Y.W. Editor- What he said, adds one more piece to the puzzle that I posted. If what he said about that Egyptian Nobel “Peace” prize guy is true, then almost for sure if they overthrow Mubarack, which now we have all the libs saying this- including the Republican lib Mccain should be done, we will have another Iran. Thank you liberal American politicians, Hashem will now for sure have to bring Moshiach to get us out of the mess you created trying to make a “democratic” Middle East! The only way the US should have mixed into the Middle East in 1990 was with Intercontinetal Ballistic Missiles with nuke warheads on top. The US liberal gov. couldn’t do that because it’s not Politically Correct to nuke “innocent” radical muslims; so now we will have only radical muslim regimes in the whole Middle East!
Health – I’m confused.
Didn’t President Bush want democracy in the Middle East?
Was he a ‘Lib’ too?
Please explain.
YW Editor: Yep, he sure must have been, since Obama has been continuing most of Bush’s policies. Or maybe Health is just a little confused about what “liberal” means.
Could anyone give me a good definition of what the average CR poster means when he/she says “liberal?”
All Americans want democracy. But I proved in my previous post that the radical muslims aren’t capable of that. Iran, Syria, Lebanon. And now people are saying when the US leaves Iraq, they are going to abandon us and hitch up with Iran. Even well meaning Republicans like the second Bush, not the first, get caught up with this fallacy. People whose beliefs are still anchored in the 9th century, like radical muslims, can’t even begin to understand what democracy is. We have just wasted the last umpteen years trying to bring it to that region. If we wanted to fix up the region, we should have done it like we fixed up Japan. The Japanese were going to fight us until they had noone left to fight. It literally was a fight to the finish. The great American leaders at that time realized this and dropped the “A” bomb. The american leaders in our generation are living in some sort of dream world -that’s why I called them all “libs”. Don’t think for a moment that our leaders in WW2 didn’t care about the civilian loss of life that they knew would occur. But their decision was based on which way would end up with less loss of life. Dropping the “A” bomb, not only saved American lives, but it saved Japanese lives too, because every Japanese male (or almost every) wasn’t going to be taken alive. They were courageous leaders (American gov.). The Japanese learned real quick how to be democratic and abandoned their philosophies. If you want to bring new philosophies into the barbaric world of radical muslims, you first must totally destroy them and then you can plant democracy.
This monologue isn’t based on baseless hatred and racism, but on learning from history. Like everyone says -those who don’t learn from history are condemmed to repeat it. I hope some real courageous leader stands up in the West and does what has to be done, before we have to repeat History!
Midwest2, here’s my take on a liberal:
You are a liberal. You are a liberal because you claim to be bi-partisan while bashing Republicans and conservatives at any attempt. You are a liberal because although I’ve given you facts and answers to your questions, you remained oblivious and ignorant; that is a liberal.
Another typical example of a liberal: one that will blame everything and anything to support an agenda. Here’s the latest the Egypt uprising isn’t about Islam radicalism – it’s a direct effect from Global Warming!
YW Editor- So how do you like my Op-Ed? Do you want to hire me?
Health – We’re ready to hire you.
Contact us.
As for the Jewish community in Cairo, Nasser kicked them out in 1952, and I do not know whether any have returned since then.
that’s not true there were some that left during the six day war
Y.W. Editor,
can you post this on the YWN on Sean Hannity thread the guy would probably appreciate it
Here just some stats:
There are about 80 million people in Egypt.
There are about 250,000 people uprising.
Do the math and it’s less then 1% of the population.
I don’t know enough about the situation to say more but it doesn’t seem as bad looking at these stats.
^MONIS^
i would suggest looking at the main news sites
Tommorow Morning in Cairo at Tahir Square, there is a scheduled protest. I read(according to the New York Times) Mubarack is going to meet with the Opposition. The Mubarack Administration has stepped up their arsenal with armored tanks, and more soldiers with weapons. The Government said they will not fire on the people. The big question is can they be trusted? I think the leaders of the Government and the Opposition Party are trying to reconcile and diffuse the volatile nature in Cairo now, and arbitrate and have more peaceful dialogue between the Oposition and the Government. The Muslims are trying to gain the trust and usurp power of the Oppoisition party. Some people like the idea, and others are skeptical and just want to be a Democracy. Go to New york Times on line for the latest coverage of the current events in Egypt.
foxnews just reported that mubarak is stepping down
That is coming from Al Arabiya and they don’t give their source.
“President Mubarak will say in a speech shortly that he will step down at the next election, but will stay in office until then”.
Such an announcement is unlikely to satisfy the huge crowd that is still in Tahrir Square. Most people there want Mr Mubarak and his allies to step aside immediately.
oh, thanks for the clarification
This is scary. To make him go in a very disgraceful, not even allow him a lame duck period, points to them ready for the greatest changes. We can only daven the outcome won’t be too bad..
To mbachur: You posted the following comment, the first paragraph of which is a quote from my comment, which you italicized but did not mark with quotes:
“As for the Jewish community in Cairo, Nasser kicked them out in 1952, and I do not know whether any have returned since then.
“that’s not true there were some that left during the six day war”
You do not read very carefully, or perhaps you do not write very well. My first statement in the quoted text was that Nasser kicked the Jews out of Cairo in 1952. My source for this information is a lawyer I met about 35 years ago who said he was (i) Jewish, (ii) born in Cairo and raised in Cairo, and (iii) a member of a Jewish family that had been prominent lawyers in Egypt for 10 generations. When I met him, he had settled in the US and told me that Nasser forced his family and all other Jews to leave Egypt.
May I now ask you to specify what, if anything, is not true in my comment. And when I say “specify”, I mean, be specific. That may seem obvious, but I feel a need to be especially clear to you.
Y.W. Editor -Key Master – “Health – We’re ready to hire you”
I tried contacting you, either I don’t have the right email or I dunno. The contact on the main page doesn’t work for me.
You email me.
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