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October 28, 2010 6:21 pm at 6:21 pm #592808Y.W. EditorKeymaster
Will the Republicans take the House & the Senate
Just the House?
Is Obama going to be a one-term prez?
Will he work well with the Republicans if they take control?
Are the polls not accurate, and the Dem’s will win it all?
What are the races in your area?
Who are you voting for?
What’s on your mind?
October 28, 2010 6:23 pm at 6:23 pm #705999Ben TorahParticipantRepublicans will take the House, but not the Senate. They will also control a majority of the Governorships.
October 28, 2010 6:41 pm at 6:41 pm #706000WolfishMusingsParticipantWhat’s on your mind?
I challenge your assumption that I actually have one.
That being said, I, sadly, have lost all interest in politics.
As you might have guessed, I love debating. Give me an issue and some information to work with and I’ll go head-to-head with people. But that only applies as long as we stick to the issues. Once the debate turns nasty, personal or ugly, I lose interest.
I lost interest in politics shortly after the 2000 presidential election. To me, that was when politics *really* started turning nasty. Perhaps it’s because I used to listen to a lot of talk radio — both sides do an excellent job of demonizing their opponents rather than actually debating the issues. To me, that’s a total turn-off.
I’ve since found that it’s nearly impossible to debate politics with people without it turning into a hatefest. It’s not about issues anymore — now it’s about how the other party is corrupt, only in it for the money/power, are personal lowlifes, etc.
Feh. Life’s too short and I don’t need the aggravation. Yes, I’ll vote on the issues… but I don’t debate politics anymore.
That’s what’s on my mind (if I can be said to have one).
The Wolf
October 28, 2010 6:56 pm at 6:56 pm #706001SacrilegeMember“That being said, I, sadly, have lost all interest in politics.”
This too is true for me. Altho, Wolf is a little a head of me, I didnt lose interest until Obama was elected President.
Not because it was Obama per se, but the idea that Hollywood could brainwash a bunch of weed smoking college students into choosing a President without merit, shows me that there is little hope for this Country.
October 28, 2010 7:19 pm at 7:19 pm #706002WIYMemberSacrilege
“Not because it was Obama per se, but the idea that Hollywood could brainwash a bunch of weed smoking college students into choosing a President without merit, shows me that there is little hope for this Country.”
And people could wonder what’s wrong with movies.
October 28, 2010 7:28 pm at 7:28 pm #706003SacrilegeMemberWIY
Touche
But I dont look up to movie stars, I seem them for what they are.
October 28, 2010 8:24 pm at 8:24 pm #706004WIYMemberSacrilege
I had to say it 😉
Baruch Hashem for that. But most people look up to movie stars, or idolize them. Few people look past their beauty and glamour and see how low they truly are. In fact some people idolize their lowness and think that its something to strive for, all the partying, drugs…
October 28, 2010 8:29 pm at 8:29 pm #706005SacrilegeMemberWIY
Uch, please. Admire their talent *maybe*… All the other garbage I could care less about.
October 28, 2010 8:56 pm at 8:56 pm #706006WIYMemberSacrilege
Good for you. But you know there are people who are hooked on reading up on their lives all the branjelina garbage type stuff…..
October 28, 2010 10:05 pm at 10:05 pm #706007popa_bar_abbaParticipantI am sorry you all feel this way about politics. I am a state senator in California, and I am doing my best to honestly and honorably help the people of my state.
October 28, 2010 10:27 pm at 10:27 pm #706008WolfishMusingsParticipantI am sorry you all feel this way about politics. I am a state senator in California, and I am doing my best to honestly and honorably help the people of my state.
Well, it shouldn’t be too hard to figure out who you are now. There are only 38 state senators in California. 🙂
That being said, my disgust is not as much with politicians as with the political debate. My apologies if I indicated otherwise.
The Wolf
October 28, 2010 10:43 pm at 10:43 pm #706009Y.W. EditorKeymasterHe’s a senator, and your the president.
Puleeze.
Carry on….
October 28, 2010 10:45 pm at 10:45 pm #706010Ben TorahParticipantHere’s a daring prediction… Republican’s will take over the New York State Senate.
October 28, 2010 10:45 pm at 10:45 pm #706011WolfishMusingsParticipantyour the president.
Hey! How did you guess??
The Wolf
October 28, 2010 11:00 pm at 11:00 pm #706012HomeownerMemberYWE, I’m sure there are lots of presidents, here. President of the shul, president of the yeshiva, etc. 🙂
October 29, 2010 10:44 am at 10:44 am #706013I can only tryMemberIf term limits are on the ballot, I’ll be voting “No”.
Why?
1) I think it’s a bad law. Terms can already be limited by voting poorly-performing officeholders out. Term limits removes the option of retaining those who are doing a great job – think Giuliani. The main thing this law does is remove voter choice.
2) The term-limits law in NY is the brainchild of billionaire Ron Lauder. He and fellow-billionaire Bloomberg decided that the law was good for everyone else, but not for him. Do we want to implement a law that can be (and already has been!) yanked away by a few people when it’s to their benefit, much like Lucy pulling away the football as Charlie Brown is getting ready to kick it?
October 29, 2010 10:52 am at 10:52 am #706014I can only tryMemberIs Obama going to be a one-term prez?
It’s way to early to tell.
In 1994, Bill Clinton was hugely unpopular (Democrat candidates asked that he not appear with him, and Republican ads tried to link their Dem opponents to Clinton), the Democrats lost the House and Senate, and at one point a frustrated Clinton actually felt compelled to say “I’m not irrelevant”.
Two years later a hugely popular Clinton crushed Bob Dole in a landslide.
1994 proves nothing in 2010, except that it is way too early to tell what 2012 will bring.
October 29, 2010 1:12 pm at 1:12 pm #706015Feif UnParticipantI think that the 2012 election will depend on who’s running against Obama. A decent candidate should beat him. Palin wouldn’t have a chance. I wish Christie would run in 2012 – he’s popular, and people around the country relate to him. If the Republicans win in 2012, it means Christie wouldn’t be running for president until 2020 at the earliest. I want him in the White House before then!
October 29, 2010 2:12 pm at 2:12 pm #706016SacrilegeMemberUnfortunately the Republicans dont see the problem.
What this country needs is a Centrist, not a Neo Liberal or a Neo Conservative. If the Republicans (or the Tea Party) put up Sara Palin (what a Sham) we arent going to go anywhere. If the Democrats put up Obama we arent going to go anywhere. We need someone that can work with both sides as best as possible. Obviously no one agrees when it comes to politics but we have never been so divided. We need another Reagan that can unite the country.
October 31, 2010 4:48 am at 4:48 am #706017popa_bar_abbaParticipantSacrilege:
While your position seems reasonable, the truth is that moderates do not win. 2008 was a race between a moderate and a far left candidate; Obama won handily.
I imagine the reason is that moderates are not able to engender emotions and so cannot create movements.
I personally think moderates are dumb and simplistic. I am conservative, but I can see how someone would have different values than I have. Moderates seem to have no values, or no idea how their values translate into specific actions.
October 31, 2010 1:23 pm at 1:23 pm #706018SacrilegeMemberpopa
I disagree. I would have loved if Rudy would have actually CARED about his campaign. He id extremely passionate. Although he is a Republican, he also believes in Gay Marriage, I think we could use that kind of leader. Someone who is fiscally responsible, conservative, but at the same time doesnt impose on personal freedoms.
October 31, 2010 2:03 pm at 2:03 pm #706019HelpfulMemberGuiliani is a social liberal of the worst kind, and a toeivanik supporter.
October 31, 2010 2:26 pm at 2:26 pm #706020SacrilegeMember…. and wouldve made a great President.
October 31, 2010 2:31 pm at 2:31 pm #706021so rightMember… assuming you support abortion on demand, public nudity, and feigelech teaching their “lifestyle” to your 9 year olds.
October 31, 2010 2:46 pm at 2:46 pm #706022phrumMemberCan Libertarians win?
November 1, 2010 6:20 pm at 6:20 pm #706023HelpfulMemberICOT: Term limits are on the ballot. The choice is to keep the current 3 terms or to revert to the pre-Bloomberg 2 terms. (Ironically Bloomberg now supports going back to 2 terms!)
What’s your preferance?
November 1, 2010 8:22 pm at 8:22 pm #706024squeakParticipantPBA- you seem to describe Moderates (or Centrists) as the “donkeys” who walk in the middle of the road. I don’t think that’s the case. Moderates have positions, some of them associated with those on the left of the aisle, and some associated with those on the right. To say they lack passion for their beliefs is disingenuous.
I believe that the reason moderates never get anywhere is because the vast majority of the voting populace is a victim of the two-party system. Most people will define themselves as “Republican” or “Democrat”, or “Conservative” or “Liberal”. Then, being so defined, their stand on issues is decided by those who head the respective party. IOW, once you’ve said you’re a “Republican” or “Conservative”, you automatically like Ronnie Reagan, supply-side economics, growing your nuclear arsenal, and hate stem-cell research, most governement programs, and Oprah. All that without understanding any of the issues or even having lived through the relevant time period.
In a nutshell, the problem is that people tend not to think independently on issues, but lump all issues together and follow a party line. What chance does a Moderate have- he/she is going to be on the wrong side of about half the important issues for ALL voters.
You can’t beat the system, two-party politics is here to stay. Which means there is really no choice in elections, it’s just a rotation from one set of issues to the other, based on voter dissatisfaction over the last elected official.
The only way to get a Moderate in is to have him/her be a closet Moderate. Run as a vehement Democrat, or a staunch Republican, and then flip flop on every issue once in office.
</Rant to Stop the Insanity>
November 2, 2010 12:37 am at 12:37 am #706025Ben TorahParticipantMy final predictions:
U.S. Senate: Republicans will have 48 seats. [From 41]
U.S. House: Republicans will win notable majority. [From minority]
Governors: Republican will control majority. [From minority]
New York
Governor: Democrat
State Senate: Republican majority [from Democrats]
Florida
Governor: Republican
U.S. Senate: Republican [3-way race]
Alaska
U.S. Senate: Republican [1 of the 2 Republicans will defeat the Democrat]
California
Governor: Democrat
U.S. Senate: Democrat
Nevada
U.S. Senate: Democrat [Majority Leader Harry Reid will win]
Connecticut
U.S. Senate: Democrat
November 2, 2010 12:51 am at 12:51 am #706026I can only tryMemberHelpful-
I wasn’t aware that the only choice was a two or three term limit.
In that case, I’ll b”n go for the three-term choice – half a loaf, etc, etc.
November 2, 2010 3:54 pm at 3:54 pm #706027charliehallParticipantFWIW, Rudy Giuliani opposes same sex marriage. He is pro-Gay rights on absolutely every other issue.
I was in Manhattan earlier this morning and saw a lot of signs and campaign workers for the Republican Congressional Candidate (14th district) Ryan Brumberg. The signs all made a big deal of the candidate’s support for same sex marriage.
November 2, 2010 3:55 pm at 3:55 pm #706028charliehallParticipantso right,
I’m unaware of any statement by Rudy Giuliani in support of public nudity (which, by the way, is illegal in New York State).
November 2, 2010 3:57 pm at 3:57 pm #706029charliehallParticipantpopa,
Obama does not qualify as “far left”. By European standards he would be considered center-right. He has been severely criticized by progressives for being too accomodating to business, particularly with healthcare reform. (That is a major reason the polls supporting its repeal should be taken with a grain of salt — a lot of people supporting repeal want it replaced with a single payer system.)
November 3, 2010 10:08 am at 10:08 am #706030Ben TorahParticipantAll my predictions were correct to the “tea”!!
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