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  • #592808
    Y.W. Editor
    Keymaster

    Will the Republicans take the House & the Senate

    Just the House?

    Is Obama going to be a one-term prez?

    Will he work well with the Republicans if they take control?

    Are the polls not accurate, and the Dem’s will win it all?

    What are the races in your area?

    Who are you voting for?

    What’s on your mind?

    #705999
    Ben Torah
    Participant

    Republicans will take the House, but not the Senate. They will also control a majority of the Governorships.

    #706000
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    What’s on your mind?

    I challenge your assumption that I actually have one.

    That being said, I, sadly, have lost all interest in politics.

    As you might have guessed, I love debating. Give me an issue and some information to work with and I’ll go head-to-head with people. But that only applies as long as we stick to the issues. Once the debate turns nasty, personal or ugly, I lose interest.

    I lost interest in politics shortly after the 2000 presidential election. To me, that was when politics *really* started turning nasty. Perhaps it’s because I used to listen to a lot of talk radio — both sides do an excellent job of demonizing their opponents rather than actually debating the issues. To me, that’s a total turn-off.

    I’ve since found that it’s nearly impossible to debate politics with people without it turning into a hatefest. It’s not about issues anymore — now it’s about how the other party is corrupt, only in it for the money/power, are personal lowlifes, etc.

    Feh. Life’s too short and I don’t need the aggravation. Yes, I’ll vote on the issues… but I don’t debate politics anymore.

    That’s what’s on my mind (if I can be said to have one).

    The Wolf

    #706001
    Sacrilege
    Member

    “That being said, I, sadly, have lost all interest in politics.”

    This too is true for me. Altho, Wolf is a little a head of me, I didnt lose interest until Obama was elected President.

    Not because it was Obama per se, but the idea that Hollywood could brainwash a bunch of weed smoking college students into choosing a President without merit, shows me that there is little hope for this Country.

    #706002
    WIY
    Member

    Sacrilege

    “Not because it was Obama per se, but the idea that Hollywood could brainwash a bunch of weed smoking college students into choosing a President without merit, shows me that there is little hope for this Country.”

    And people could wonder what’s wrong with movies.

    #706003
    Sacrilege
    Member

    WIY

    Touche

    But I dont look up to movie stars, I seem them for what they are.

    #706004
    WIY
    Member

    Sacrilege

    I had to say it 😉

    Baruch Hashem for that. But most people look up to movie stars, or idolize them. Few people look past their beauty and glamour and see how low they truly are. In fact some people idolize their lowness and think that its something to strive for, all the partying, drugs…

    #706005
    Sacrilege
    Member

    WIY

    Uch, please. Admire their talent *maybe*… All the other garbage I could care less about.

    #706006
    WIY
    Member

    Sacrilege

    Good for you. But you know there are people who are hooked on reading up on their lives all the branjelina garbage type stuff…..

    #706007
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    I am sorry you all feel this way about politics. I am a state senator in California, and I am doing my best to honestly and honorably help the people of my state.

    #706008
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    I am sorry you all feel this way about politics. I am a state senator in California, and I am doing my best to honestly and honorably help the people of my state.

    Well, it shouldn’t be too hard to figure out who you are now. There are only 38 state senators in California. 🙂

    That being said, my disgust is not as much with politicians as with the political debate. My apologies if I indicated otherwise.

    The Wolf

    #706009
    Y.W. Editor
    Keymaster

    He’s a senator, and your the president.

    Puleeze.

    Carry on….

    #706010
    Ben Torah
    Participant

    Here’s a daring prediction… Republican’s will take over the New York State Senate.

    #706011
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    your the president.

    Hey! How did you guess??

    The Wolf

    #706012
    Homeowner
    Member

    YWE, I’m sure there are lots of presidents, here. President of the shul, president of the yeshiva, etc. 🙂

    #706013

    If term limits are on the ballot, I’ll be voting “No”.

    Why?

    1) I think it’s a bad law. Terms can already be limited by voting poorly-performing officeholders out. Term limits removes the option of retaining those who are doing a great job – think Giuliani. The main thing this law does is remove voter choice.

    2) The term-limits law in NY is the brainchild of billionaire Ron Lauder. He and fellow-billionaire Bloomberg decided that the law was good for everyone else, but not for him. Do we want to implement a law that can be (and already has been!) yanked away by a few people when it’s to their benefit, much like Lucy pulling away the football as Charlie Brown is getting ready to kick it?

    #706014

    Is Obama going to be a one-term prez?

    It’s way to early to tell.

    In 1994, Bill Clinton was hugely unpopular (Democrat candidates asked that he not appear with him, and Republican ads tried to link their Dem opponents to Clinton), the Democrats lost the House and Senate, and at one point a frustrated Clinton actually felt compelled to say “I’m not irrelevant”.

    Two years later a hugely popular Clinton crushed Bob Dole in a landslide.

    1994 proves nothing in 2010, except that it is way too early to tell what 2012 will bring.

    #706015
    Feif Un
    Participant

    I think that the 2012 election will depend on who’s running against Obama. A decent candidate should beat him. Palin wouldn’t have a chance. I wish Christie would run in 2012 – he’s popular, and people around the country relate to him. If the Republicans win in 2012, it means Christie wouldn’t be running for president until 2020 at the earliest. I want him in the White House before then!

    #706016
    Sacrilege
    Member

    Unfortunately the Republicans dont see the problem.

    What this country needs is a Centrist, not a Neo Liberal or a Neo Conservative. If the Republicans (or the Tea Party) put up Sara Palin (what a Sham) we arent going to go anywhere. If the Democrats put up Obama we arent going to go anywhere. We need someone that can work with both sides as best as possible. Obviously no one agrees when it comes to politics but we have never been so divided. We need another Reagan that can unite the country.

    #706017
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Sacrilege:

    While your position seems reasonable, the truth is that moderates do not win. 2008 was a race between a moderate and a far left candidate; Obama won handily.

    I imagine the reason is that moderates are not able to engender emotions and so cannot create movements.

    I personally think moderates are dumb and simplistic. I am conservative, but I can see how someone would have different values than I have. Moderates seem to have no values, or no idea how their values translate into specific actions.

    #706018
    Sacrilege
    Member

    popa

    I disagree. I would have loved if Rudy would have actually CARED about his campaign. He id extremely passionate. Although he is a Republican, he also believes in Gay Marriage, I think we could use that kind of leader. Someone who is fiscally responsible, conservative, but at the same time doesnt impose on personal freedoms.

    #706019
    Helpful
    Member

    Guiliani is a social liberal of the worst kind, and a toeivanik supporter.

    #706020
    Sacrilege
    Member

    …. and wouldve made a great President.

    #706021
    so right
    Member

    … assuming you support abortion on demand, public nudity, and feigelech teaching their “lifestyle” to your 9 year olds.

    #706022
    phrum
    Member

    Can Libertarians win?

    #706023
    Helpful
    Member

    ICOT: Term limits are on the ballot. The choice is to keep the current 3 terms or to revert to the pre-Bloomberg 2 terms. (Ironically Bloomberg now supports going back to 2 terms!)

    What’s your preferance?

    #706024
    squeak
    Participant

    PBA- you seem to describe Moderates (or Centrists) as the “donkeys” who walk in the middle of the road. I don’t think that’s the case. Moderates have positions, some of them associated with those on the left of the aisle, and some associated with those on the right. To say they lack passion for their beliefs is disingenuous.

    I believe that the reason moderates never get anywhere is because the vast majority of the voting populace is a victim of the two-party system. Most people will define themselves as “Republican” or “Democrat”, or “Conservative” or “Liberal”. Then, being so defined, their stand on issues is decided by those who head the respective party. IOW, once you’ve said you’re a “Republican” or “Conservative”, you automatically like Ronnie Reagan, supply-side economics, growing your nuclear arsenal, and hate stem-cell research, most governement programs, and Oprah. All that without understanding any of the issues or even having lived through the relevant time period.

    In a nutshell, the problem is that people tend not to think independently on issues, but lump all issues together and follow a party line. What chance does a Moderate have- he/she is going to be on the wrong side of about half the important issues for ALL voters.

    You can’t beat the system, two-party politics is here to stay. Which means there is really no choice in elections, it’s just a rotation from one set of issues to the other, based on voter dissatisfaction over the last elected official.

    The only way to get a Moderate in is to have him/her be a closet Moderate. Run as a vehement Democrat, or a staunch Republican, and then flip flop on every issue once in office.

    </Rant to Stop the Insanity>

    #706025
    Ben Torah
    Participant

    My final predictions:

    U.S. Senate: Republicans will have 48 seats. [From 41]

    U.S. House: Republicans will win notable majority. [From minority]

    Governors: Republican will control majority. [From minority]

    New York

    Governor: Democrat

    State Senate: Republican majority [from Democrats]

    Florida

    Governor: Republican

    U.S. Senate: Republican [3-way race]

    Alaska

    U.S. Senate: Republican [1 of the 2 Republicans will defeat the Democrat]

    California

    Governor: Democrat

    U.S. Senate: Democrat

    Nevada

    U.S. Senate: Democrat [Majority Leader Harry Reid will win]

    Connecticut

    U.S. Senate: Democrat

    #706026

    Helpful-

    I wasn’t aware that the only choice was a two or three term limit.

    In that case, I’ll b”n go for the three-term choice – half a loaf, etc, etc.

    #706027
    charliehall
    Participant

    FWIW, Rudy Giuliani opposes same sex marriage. He is pro-Gay rights on absolutely every other issue.

    I was in Manhattan earlier this morning and saw a lot of signs and campaign workers for the Republican Congressional Candidate (14th district) Ryan Brumberg. The signs all made a big deal of the candidate’s support for same sex marriage.

    #706028
    charliehall
    Participant

    so right,

    I’m unaware of any statement by Rudy Giuliani in support of public nudity (which, by the way, is illegal in New York State).

    #706029
    charliehall
    Participant

    popa,

    Obama does not qualify as “far left”. By European standards he would be considered center-right. He has been severely criticized by progressives for being too accomodating to business, particularly with healthcare reform. (That is a major reason the polls supporting its repeal should be taken with a grain of salt — a lot of people supporting repeal want it replaced with a single payer system.)

    #706030
    Ben Torah
    Participant

    All my predictions were correct to the “tea”!!

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