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You’re not going to believe this.
There’s somebody postulating on the Steve Jobs’ thread equating the danger presented by the computer with the gas chambers.
Of course, he’s on the computer himself (what a shocker).
And apparently, he’s not a Holocaust survivor.
A computer user has the choice how to use the tool, as compared to someone in the crematorium or gas chamber who had no choice.
Of course this poster compares the inventor of both these devices, where the gas chamber’s invention was made SOLELY to exterminate people…
Is anyone joining me here??
Mike Godwin was right.
You are right Ayc i don’t believe it, that’s absurd an an insult to all the victims of the holocaust.
A few yaers ago Mike wrote “I wanted folks who glibly compared someone else to Hitler or to Nazis to think a bit harder about the Holocaust.” I won’t link to it because it’s on a site that the mods probably wouldn’t want a link to.
Ayc: you missed his point. It isn’t the person in the gas chamber, it is the person operating. His point is faulty either way though because jobs can’t be blamed for what one chooses to download on his i-pod. People seem not to understand that when one buys an i-pod there is nothing on it so how exactly is it innately harmful, even if there is potential? Just because something has a potential for evil, dependent on how the person uses it, does not make it evil.
*end rant*
😀 Zuberman! 😀
interstingly enough, im not sure. if your willing to make a hanacha that a spiritual calamity is worse then a physical one, on the reasoning that spiritual desolation would mean the actual end of klal yisroel as the am hanivchar, and we’d be like everyone else, then maybe it is worse. and all of you who are going to yell about how callous i am about the holocaust, i assure you im not. ive read extensively and cry alot when reading holocaust books. i nthink the yellers here are thinking with their hearts and not with their heads. fire away.
The comparison was disgusting and never should have been left through
One can return from a “spiritual death” one cannot return from an actual death
my take is basically…if your point is good enough to make without invoking the holocaust…go for it. no need for the analogy. if not…then your point isnt worth making and you should keep quiet.
Toi: The assumption that K’lal Yisroel can lose their status as the Am Hanivchar is against one of the 13 Ikkarim. The world might cease to exist if we all deny the Torah, but we can never stop being the Am Hanivchar.
Ridiculous comparison.
sam2- shkoiach gadol. i didnt mean the title. i meant what makes us special,different, and a cut above. wasnt getting halachic.
Toi,…never mind…So close after Yom Kippur I’m not getting into it with you.
mike- you should know by now that everything i write is either logical or something ive heard from my rabbeim. not trolling or trying to stir you up- so you can respond without fear of.. im not sure what?
“You’re not going to believe this. There’s somebody postulating on the Steve Jobs’ thread equating the danger presented by the computer with the gas chambers.”
Well the Gemora does say that it is worse to cause somebody to do an aveira than it is to kill him, so I don’t think the comparison is all that crazy.
“Of course, he’s on the computer himself (what a shocker).”
A computer with filtered internet is not a danger.
“A computer user has the choice how to use the tool, as compared to someone in the crematorium or gas chamber who had no choice.”
The point is not whether somebody has a choice or not, the point is how much damage these things are doing (or did) to the Jewish nation.
“Of course this poster compares the inventor of both these devices, where the gas chamber’s invention was made SOLELY to exterminate people…”
Yes, I think comparing Steve Jobs to Hitler is ridiculous, seeing as one was trying to wipe us out and one was trying to entertain people and make money. However, inadvertent damage is still damage.
A computer with filtered internet is not a danger.
So you are lead to believe. I also have a bridge I would like to sell you. Cheap! Excellent view of lower Manhattan.
What is the filter blocks EVERYTHING (except YWN of course)? 🙂
GAW:
True. What I mean to say is that relatively speaking, it’s not such a problem.
“”it is worse to cause somebody to do an aveira than it is to kill him”
Intentionally cause… Hence the comparison between Chanuka and Purim. This scenario is not equivalent.”
It is not equivalent in terms of blame, but it very well may be equivalent in terms of danger posed.
“”A computer with filtered internet is not a danger.”
Really??! I’m actually working with someone who found those “loopholes”…”
There are safe computers. The person you know may not have had one, but they still exist.
“”the point is how much damage these things are doing”
Ok then, if your claim is to blame the inventor and not the person…”
I’m not sure what you’re talking about; I didn’t blame anybody for anything.
There are safe computers. The person you know may not have had one, but they still exist.
A Commodore 64?
Please tell me which computer you think is 100% safe.
A computer placed in room which people constantly walk through.
A computer placed in room which people constantly walk through.
3:00 AM also? When you are on “vacation”?
M. 80: Like a 64, just slightly bigger 🙂
mike- some things dont need evidence. thought that was understood.
also, i do think its worse. i dont care how crazy right wing nutjob fanatic yeshivish kollel chareidi i am. im not being mima’it the chashivus of one jewish life, but the effects of every aveira that any yid ever did, is doing or will do with an apple product is echoing forever and being mashchis the world.
also, i do think its worse. i dont care how crazy right wing nutjob fanatic yeshivish kollel chareidi i am. im not being mima’it the chashivus of one jewish life, but the effects of every aveira that any yid ever did, is doing or will do with an apple product is echoing forever and being mashchis the world.
crazy right wing nutjob fanatic yeshivish kollel chareidi!!!!!
LOL
with me or at me? or am i better off not knowing?
with me or at me? or am i better off not knowing?
Yup.
chair
Hyperbole at its finest.
Toi, u have got to be kidding me, where do you get this stuff?
mike- i think it makes sense. Hitler y”msh has does his damage and it was horrific beyond appreciation. every ipod in the hand of a jewish neshama is literally russian roulette. on a neshama. li’oilam va’ed. thats where i get this stuff.
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