Eruv in a development with goyim

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    BachurTzvi
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    Hi. I was wondering if anyone has experience with putting up an eruv in a development with more goyim then yidden. There’s an association that prob wouldn’t let it go up. It was up for a while until recently taken down by a member of the board. Are there lawyers that deal with this? Or are there legal laws for this ? ( in Lakewood)

    Plz respond with any information thank u

    #1159470

    karlbenmarx
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    don’t do it, in Brooklyn we don’t have an eruv and we survive.

    #1159471

    ubiquitin
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    What is their opposition to the eruv?

    If their opposition is not anti-religious and is not unevenly applied for example they want no wires in the sky becasue they cant fly kites. And there are in fact no wires including utility wires they may have a case.

    However usually there is uneven enforcement of these rules its rare to find a town with no wires in the sky and nothing attached to utility poles which a NJ court in Tenafly deemed unconstitutional

    #1159472

    Joseph
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    ubiq: Different laws apply to a private development/association than apply to a public municipality.

    #1159473

    Abba_S
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    While different laws apply to a development. The Board is elected by the members of the development, if you can organize a voting block electing your slate to the board you may get your way . Likewise if you look into ” How the Development spent Common Charge Fees” you may have more leverage. If the board doesn’t provide you with adequate documentation you can report them to the Attorney General of the state in which they are located.

    #1159474

    ubiquitin
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    Thanks Joe

    That is a great point

    #1159475

    Sam2
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    Learn Hilchos Eruvin. If they protest, you kinda can’t do it. (I don’t actually know Hilchos Eruvin, but I seem to recall this being true.)

    #1159476

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    S’chiras r’shus is a big problem for almost all eruvin. We get around it by doing s’chiras r’shus from some kind of government agency, but it’s not so pashut.

    #1159477

    Avi K
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    Bachur, once a gentile judge asked how much the eruv would cost the taxpayers. When he was told that in fact the would pay the costs plus rent on the air space he told them to build two.

    Karl, some say that you do.

    #1159478

    Abba_S
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    Bachur one board member can not take down the erev. What probably happened was that he convinced a majority of the board to take it down. You need to know what percentage of the development wants the erev. If you can get at least 10% of the development to agree with you have a good chance of winning the boards approval. This can be done by having residents sign a petition asking for the erev. You can get non Jews to sign by convincing them that an erev will increase their homes resale value at a minimum cost. Likewise you can run for a position on the board and then advocate from within.

    #1159479

    gavra_at_work
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    BachurTzvi – This is controversial, but….

    Very simply put, they want to keep Religious Jews out. It is probably not antisemitism per say, but rather recognizing what happens to a community every time the Religious Jews move in, whether it is Lakewood, Rockland, Kiryas Joel, etc. (With a single exception of the Five Towns, and even that was contentious). Schools that go bust due to redirected funding, increased traffic, no care for zoning or other building restrictions, and officials that seem to not care about anyone but their own and are willing to skirt the law (on some occasions) to help their own to the detriment of others.

    If this in Lakewood, the battle has already been lost, just give it a few years. If you are in one of the outlying towns (Toms River, Jackson, etc.) then you will have to wait and see what happens.

    P.S. Are there specific reasons why you just don’t bring the issue for a vote?

    #1159480

    gavra_at_work
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    Just to clarify, when I say “the battle is lost”, that is from their perspective, that they are fighting to keep us out. We don’t have to “fight” to move into areas, we can purchase just like any other person.

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