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May 31, 2018 8:13 am at 8:13 am #1529601mitzvamanParticipant
can someone please explain to me why the Gadol received a escort similar to a police escort with the lights and sirens? I dont recall in years past when other gedolim visiting america or our own American gedolim getting an offical escort witj the whole lights thing? Whats the logic?
May 31, 2018 12:43 pm at 12:43 pm #1529883apushatayidParticipantwhy do you assume the escort was lichvod the visiting gaon and not simply to make a scene? if whoever sent the videos to ywn was interested in sharing images of the gaon or more importantly the message he told over, ywn would have received such a video, its clear to me, their interest was in sharing the tumult that they were able to create.
May 31, 2018 12:43 pm at 12:43 pm #1529881JosephParticipantKovod HaRav.
May 31, 2018 12:48 pm at 12:48 pm #1529930house77Member@Joseph – Why don’t we ask Rav Shternbuch the Posek the following question:
Are you allowed to blatantly ignore every vehicle and traffic law in New York State to give “Kavod” to a Rav? Is law-breaking permitted? What is the Halachic source for this insane behavior?
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This behavior is disgusting.May 31, 2018 12:48 pm at 12:48 pm #1529931RDHClaudioMemberWhat about being “hisgares beumos”? The classic Satmar pack of trash? They love to scream that, but ignore it when they themselves do it in Kiryas Joel and Williamsburg and anywhere else they manage to tick off local government.
May 31, 2018 12:49 pm at 12:49 pm #1529932talmid chochomMemberwhere are the videos?
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May 31, 2018 12:58 pm at 12:58 pm #1529941achdusParticipantThis is “kavod”?
This is a Satmar orchestrated phony show. What a disgrace to the Vilna Goan, Rav Shterbuchs grandfather. He was used as a puppet. How sad. A very sad day for Klal Yisroel. 99% of Satmar wouldn’t know a vort from the Vilna Goan, not to mention a vort from any of Rav Shternbuchs 25+ Seforim if it hit them on the head. They never saw a Brisker Rov in their lives. Ah churban mammish. Just wait for the Lakewood show today to try and outdo the others.
May 31, 2018 1:05 pm at 1:05 pm #1529943mitzvamanParticipantI don’t ever recalling other gedolim receiving police like escort besides for the Satmar sect. It’s like calling attention to yourself. If you want Actual kovad HaTorah then go to these events that the gedolim themselves attended and orchestrated it by. Does anyone agree with this logic?
May 31, 2018 1:06 pm at 1:06 pm #1529944ChongRymerMember@apushatayid “if whoever sent the videos to ywn was interested in sharing images of the gaon or more importantly the message he told over, ywn would have received such a video”
Uhhhh….. That’s because he didn’t give over any message – yet. Just wait until Sunday, when 17K Satmar Chassidim – and one Litvak – will gather at Nassau Coliseum and curse out the Zionist Regime that has been dragging men by the thousands from batei midrashim and forcing them into the army (at least that’s what the fake news Peleg and Satmar claim).
So stay tuned. maybe they can have that Jew hating RODEF Mr. Schapiro speak there. He’s the rodef that buys air time on WABC in NYC, and spews hate against Jews for 2 hours a a shot to millions of goyim; who then say to themselves “oh, if JEWS can curse out JEWS, then so can non-Jews”. And this Rodef is responsible for many goyim openly turning into blatant anti-semites. Like Joseph has been for many years. The same type of self-hating rodfim.
May 31, 2018 1:54 pm at 1:54 pm #1529947zahavasdadParticipantWas it really nessasary to call out a group of people with names?
One can be opposed to this without resorting to name calling
May 31, 2018 1:54 pm at 1:54 pm #1529954DovidBTParticipantThe British are much better at this. Horses, carriages and soldiers in fancy uniforms are far more impressive than cars with lights and sirens.
May 31, 2018 4:20 pm at 4:20 pm #1530374☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantMitzvaman, is Uncle Moishy also upset?
May 31, 2018 4:54 pm at 4:54 pm #1530380☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantMay 31, 2018 5:24 pm at 5:24 pm #1530760apushatayidParticipantVideo of tricked out escalades. Yep, thats kavod hatorah.
May 31, 2018 9:09 pm at 9:09 pm #1530876Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantI was under the impression this was a frum site. I see I was mistaken.
June 1, 2018 1:26 pm at 1:26 pm #1531044Uncle BenParticipantApushateyid: Whoever took and posted the video doesn’t look like the one who made the tumult.
June 1, 2018 1:26 pm at 1:26 pm #1531067frumtdParticipantI believe so long as they have a police escort they can use their lights and sirens and run lights. On the other hand without such an escort I think they are violating the law. When, say, the pope is in the US he gets a major escort, but then technically he is a head of state and he has millions of followers. Point is that escorts are not out of the norm for important leaders. But they should be done to comply with the law as to minimize any chillul hashem or racism that results (i.e. if you follow the law, you are more likely to get support from political leaders and others when people criticize your behavior, which hopefully minimize any negative fallout).
June 1, 2018 1:26 pm at 1:26 pm #1531077MammeleParticipantNeville: when Satmar is mentioned, practically anything goes.
See recent example here: https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/general/1528106/massive-fire-destroys-home-and-shul-in-kiryas-joel-sifrei-torah-bh-rescued-video-photos.html
Now the fire has since been ruled accidental (started from cigarette butts on the wooden deck) but YW hasn’t covered that (yet), and the commenters were free to bash without a shred of evidence.
June 1, 2018 5:29 pm at 5:29 pm #1531170JosephParticipantHalevai all the Gedolim got the kovod given to this godol from Eretz Yisroel during his visit to New York.
This should set an example.
June 1, 2018 5:29 pm at 5:29 pm #1531158mentsch1ParticipantThere is irony here considering the lead headline from Rav Addas
Nothing good ever happens from Badmouthing holy jewsJune 1, 2018 5:29 pm at 5:29 pm #1531161ubiquitinParticipant“Now the fire has since been ruled accidental (started from cigarette butts on the wooden deck) ”
Soooooo…. NOT accidental
I didnt read the article and am not familiar with the story. But a fire starting from “cigarette butts on the wooden deck” is called negligence in my book not accidental.
June 1, 2018 5:29 pm at 5:29 pm #1531144zahavasdadParticipantIt was against the law to use flashing lights unless its an emergency
Also in the video some of the cars went through a Red Light along with missing a front license plate (Against NY Law)
June 1, 2018 8:33 pm at 8:33 pm #1531204MammeleParticipantUbiq: that’s a far cry from arson which some jumped to conclusions of. In any case fire investigators ruled it accidental, not me. Accidents and negligence are not mutually exclusive. Especially in outdoor public spaces (assuming the deck was used by the Shul, I honestly don’t know if this was the case) discarding cigarette butts on the ground and simply stomping at it to put it out is fairly common place. I’m not sayIng it was right, and that wasn’t the point of my comment.
June 3, 2018 2:48 pm at 2:48 pm #1531510WolfishMusingsParticipantHalevai all the Gedolim got the kovod given to this godol from Eretz Yisroel during his visit to New York.
I fail to see how traveling with lights and sirens is a sign of kavod. The Torah tells us what the signs of kavod are. Lights and sirens are not among them.
The Wolf
June 3, 2018 6:57 pm at 6:57 pm #1531572JosephParticipantWolf: Does the President travel with a convoy of cars using lights and sirens?
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