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November 18, 2013 12:44 am at 12:44 am #611314streekgeekParticipant
I can’t remember from where, but I heard that the reason why people feel so exhilarated and free while doing extreme sports (I heard this in reference to skiing) is because the neshama feels that there is a chance that you might die and it can finally leave the body, hence the exhilaration. Anyone ever here of this or know the source?
Thanks!
November 18, 2013 2:19 am at 2:19 am #987822Gryffindorable GirlMemberThat’s morbid.
November 18, 2013 2:19 am at 2:19 am #987823Gryffindorable GirlMemberMaybe not morbid, actually, cuz if the Neshama is elated, that’s a good thing, I guess?
What I meant is that is scary and interesting. Please tell me more.
November 18, 2013 2:30 am at 2:30 am #987824writersoulParticipantNah, was just thinking morbid myself.
November 18, 2013 2:53 am at 2:53 am #987825streekgeekParticipantAnd I was thinking it was ccol 🙂
But could be it’s made up cuz none of the rabbis here seem to know anything about it.
November 18, 2013 3:59 am at 3:59 am #987826kkls45MemberIf that was true, why would non-Jewish people have that same exhilaration?
But it is a cool thought!
November 18, 2013 2:12 pm at 2:12 pm #987827streekgeekParticipantIf I’m not mistaken, non-Jews have souls too. They’re of a different make-up than ours, but they’ve got them.
November 18, 2013 10:32 pm at 10:32 pm #987828kkls45MemberTrue that they might have souls, but is it really the same “neshama” that is excited to die? Why would their souls be excited to leave if they don’t have olam haba awaiting them (excluding the righteous gentiles here)
November 18, 2013 10:59 pm at 10:59 pm #987829LevAryehMemberSee the Rambam Hilchos Yesodei Hatorah 4:8, where he says that every human being has what’s called ??? or ???.
Then see 4:9, where he clearly differentiates between the ??? and the ????, so there would be no indication that a Goy has a ????.
November 18, 2013 11:11 pm at 11:11 pm #987830the-art-of-moiParticipantWow, that’s so cool!
November 19, 2013 12:53 am at 12:53 am #987831SecularFrummyMemberThis can be comparable to people that cut their wrists to get a thrill.
November 19, 2013 2:59 am at 2:59 am #987832OutsiderMemberLOL… you guys crack me up. Why not try something that “feels” dangerous, but is actually quite safe…. like riding a roller coaster and find out for yourself? If you’ve ever gone skiing, even the first time down the beginner slope can be quite terrifying, you don’t have to snowboard out of a helicopter to get a similar feeling, UNLESS, you’re such a thrill “junkie” that normal slopes don’t do it for you.
And that’s basically what these guys are, like drug addicts. They’ve done everything so much that nothing excites them, except the for the highest “dosages” of speed and danger.
November 19, 2013 1:40 pm at 1:40 pm #987833Torah613TorahParticipantPersonally, I get enough of a thrill out of crossing the street.
November 19, 2013 2:23 pm at 2:23 pm #987834streekgeekParticipantWhy would their souls be excited to leave if they don’t have olam haba awaiting them
I wasn’t thinking along the lines of the neshama being ready to move on already. More like the neshama, which is a spiritual “thing” (used for lack of better words) was thrust in to this physical world when it doesn’t want to be here. Especially after all the abuse we give it….
November 19, 2013 3:09 pm at 3:09 pm #987835streekgeekParticipantLAB – that is so interesting. I’m taking your word for it cuz I don’t read seforim but I do remember learning (I think from the Ramchal) that there are 5 parts to the neshama. Nefesh and ruach are two of them and they’re two separate things (and they’re more physical – found in the bloodstream and brain….) So in essence, a non-Jew has part of a neshama.
November 19, 2013 3:48 pm at 3:48 pm #987836LevAryehMemberYeah, the Rambam does say that the Nefesh/Ruach needs the body, as opposed to the Neshama. Feel free to look it up.
November 19, 2013 6:00 pm at 6:00 pm #987837popa_bar_abbaParticipantPeople also get exhilerated taking other large risks that don’t include death. For example gambling.
November 19, 2013 6:36 pm at 6:36 pm #987838WIYMemberStreekgeek
Cut and pasted from webmd
When it comes to extreme sports, the adrenaline factor likely plays a role in explaining why athletes reach for the outer limits as well.
November 19, 2013 7:20 pm at 7:20 pm #987839dafbiyunParticipantIts not rocket science. Endiomorhins are released during extreme exersise. This provides the high. Work on a sugya for 8 hours till you have it totally clear and your neshama will experience a high.
November 19, 2013 7:41 pm at 7:41 pm #987840WIYMemberdafbiyun
Endorphins.
November 19, 2013 8:55 pm at 8:55 pm #987841LevAryehMemberWIY
Copied and pasted.
November 19, 2013 9:09 pm at 9:09 pm #987842WIYMemberLAB
Lol. Technically I can still be right.
November 19, 2013 10:18 pm at 10:18 pm #987843dafbiyunParticipantwow. i must have used that word incorectly dozens of times. girsa d’yankasa
November 20, 2013 6:33 am at 6:33 am #987844scrollerMemberI would say it applies to Jews as well. Being that the gemara mentions the dangerous sport of bullfighting were people would train bulls to fight with one another and even fight with other people.
See tosfos bava kama 24b: ????? ???? ?? ????? ??’. ?? ??? ???? ??????? (???? ?? ??.) ????? ???? ??? ??????
I do not think this is a spiritual thrill. It is a chemical one that can be found in both Jews and non-Jews.
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