November 18, 2013 12:44 am at 12:44 am #611314
I can’t remember from where, but I heard that the reason why people feel so exhilarated and free while doing extreme sports (I heard this in reference to skiing) is because the neshama feels that there is a chance that you might die and it can finally leave the body, hence the exhilaration. Anyone ever here of this or know the source?
Thanks!November 18, 2013 2:19 am at 2:19 am #987822Gryffindorable GirlMember
That’s morbid.November 18, 2013 2:19 am at 2:19 am #987823Gryffindorable GirlMember
Maybe not morbid, actually, cuz if the Neshama is elated, that’s a good thing, I guess?
What I meant is that is scary and interesting. Please tell me more.November 18, 2013 2:30 am at 2:30 am #987824writersoulParticipant
Nah, was just thinking morbid myself.November 18, 2013 2:53 am at 2:53 am #987825
And I was thinking it was ccol 🙂
But could be it’s made up cuz none of the rabbis here seem to know anything about it.November 18, 2013 3:59 am at 3:59 am #987826kkls45Member
If that was true, why would non-Jewish people have that same exhilaration?
But it is a cool thought!November 18, 2013 2:12 pm at 2:12 pm #987827
If I’m not mistaken, non-Jews have souls too. They’re of a different make-up than ours, but they’ve got them.November 18, 2013 10:32 pm at 10:32 pm #987828kkls45Member
True that they might have souls, but is it really the same “neshama” that is excited to die? Why would their souls be excited to leave if they don’t have olam haba awaiting them (excluding the righteous gentiles here)November 18, 2013 10:59 pm at 10:59 pm #987829
See the Rambam Hilchos Yesodei Hatorah 4:8, where he says that every human being has what’s called ??? or ???.
Then see 4:9, where he clearly differentiates between the ??? and the ????, so there would be no indication that a Goy has a ????.November 18, 2013 11:11 pm at 11:11 pm #987830the-art-of-moiParticipant
Wow, that’s so cool!November 19, 2013 12:53 am at 12:53 am #987831SecularFrummyMember
This can be comparable to people that cut their wrists to get a thrill.November 19, 2013 2:59 am at 2:59 am #987832OutsiderMember
LOL… you guys crack me up. Why not try something that “feels” dangerous, but is actually quite safe…. like riding a roller coaster and find out for yourself? If you’ve ever gone skiing, even the first time down the beginner slope can be quite terrifying, you don’t have to snowboard out of a helicopter to get a similar feeling, UNLESS, you’re such a thrill “junkie” that normal slopes don’t do it for you.
And that’s basically what these guys are, like drug addicts. They’ve done everything so much that nothing excites them, except the for the highest “dosages” of speed and danger.November 19, 2013 1:40 pm at 1:40 pm #987833Torah613TorahParticipant
Personally, I get enough of a thrill out of crossing the street.November 19, 2013 2:23 pm at 2:23 pm #987834
Why would their souls be excited to leave if they don’t have olam haba awaiting them
I wasn’t thinking along the lines of the neshama being ready to move on already. More like the neshama, which is a spiritual “thing” (used for lack of better words) was thrust in to this physical world when it doesn’t want to be here. Especially after all the abuse we give it….November 19, 2013 3:09 pm at 3:09 pm #987835
LAB – that is so interesting. I’m taking your word for it cuz I don’t read seforim but I do remember learning (I think from the Ramchal) that there are 5 parts to the neshama. Nefesh and ruach are two of them and they’re two separate things (and they’re more physical – found in the bloodstream and brain….) So in essence, a non-Jew has part of a neshama.November 19, 2013 3:48 pm at 3:48 pm #987836
Yeah, the Rambam does say that the Nefesh/Ruach needs the body, as opposed to the Neshama. Feel free to look it up.November 19, 2013 6:00 pm at 6:00 pm #987837popa_bar_abbaParticipant
People also get exhilerated taking other large risks that don’t include death. For example gambling.November 19, 2013 6:36 pm at 6:36 pm #987838
Cut and pasted from webmd
When it comes to extreme sports, the adrenaline factor likely plays a role in explaining why athletes reach for the outer limits as well.November 19, 2013 7:20 pm at 7:20 pm #987839dafbiyunParticipant
Its not rocket science. Endiomorhins are released during extreme exersise. This provides the high. Work on a sugya for 8 hours till you have it totally clear and your neshama will experience a high.November 19, 2013 7:41 pm at 7:41 pm #987840
Endorphins.November 19, 2013 8:55 pm at 8:55 pm #987841
Copied and pasted.November 19, 2013 9:09 pm at 9:09 pm #987842
Lol. Technically I can still be right.November 19, 2013 10:18 pm at 10:18 pm #987843dafbiyunParticipant
wow. i must have used that word incorectly dozens of times. girsa d’yankasaNovember 20, 2013 6:33 am at 6:33 am #987844scrollerMember
I would say it applies to Jews as well. Being that the gemara mentions the dangerous sport of bullfighting were people would train bulls to fight with one another and even fight with other people.
See tosfos bava kama 24b: ????? ???? ?? ????? ??’. ?? ??? ???? ??????? (???? ?? ??.) ????? ???? ??? ??????
I do not think this is a spiritual thrill. It is a chemical one that can be found in both Jews and non-Jews.
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