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  • #602494
    hershi
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    Can the average person tell the difference between real and fake diamond (or gold and other precious metals) jewelry?

    If I gave it as a gift, would the receipient likely know the difference, without having it evaluated by a professional? (This is not for an engagement.)

    #1058352
    yentingyenta
    Participant

    sometimes i can tell be the setting if its more likely fake or real. some times its just to shiny or sparkly to be a real stone

    my father used to be in the jewelry business so both my parents can look at a piece and can tell if its real or fake.

    as a recipient you will probably not know the difference. and the giver probably does not want you to know the difference.

    #1058353
    hershi
    Member

    So why should anyone care, if the difference takes a microscope or they won’t know without a professional opinion?

    #1058354
    hershi
    Member

    And how much is the price differential between real and fake?

    #1058355
    yentingyenta
    Participant

    my mother can look at a ring on a kallah’s hand or other jewelry from that distance and can tell if its real or fake. if she is holding a necklace or bracelet she can tell by the weight of it if its real or not. my father too. doesnt take a microscope. (for diamond clarity/type you will need a jeweler’s loop)

    a lay person will usually not be able to tell the difference.

    BIG price difference between real and fake. i dont know specific differences though, sorry. i can afford fake on my budget. real, not so much :). the price of gold and silver have gone up tremendously in the last 5 years. the ring i got 5 years ago which cost X$ is alot more than X$ today.

    if you are buying peals, a good set of costume peals will look as good or exactly like real pearls. semi precious stones are also a little better priced than diamonds and such.

    if you need to buy someone a gift, buy what you can afford. don’t spend outside what you have (my 2 cents. are you looking to buy someone a gift?)

    #1058356
    hershi
    Member

    This begs the question:

    Why EVER get real jewelry?

    (If the difference isn’t easily discernable.)

    #1058357
    OneOfMany
    Participant

    Why buy real someone real flowers? They’re cheaper, stay fresh longer, and sometimes even look nicer. So why EVER get real flowers? (If the difference isn’t easily discernible.)

    #1058358
    foodie
    Member

    You can tell if something is real gold or silver because the real one will have a number ingrained in it. For example, real gold will say 14k, 18k, etc. With diamonds you can sometimes tell if it is real by the sparkle of it.

    #1058359
    EY Mom
    Participant

    Mr. Hershi:

    1)Quality and longevity of the piece, 2) Resale value. Costume jewelry has no resale value, whereas gold and diamonds do.

    I’m not saying I buy real jewelry, just that those are 2 good reasons why people do.

    #1058360
    Logician
    Participant

    Hope you don’t have any gneivas da’as up your sleeve

    #1058361

    Why buy anything? Grass is very healthy!

    #1058362
    Derech
    Member

    I certainly see no logical reason to buy real jewelry if the fake jewelry looks the same and costs much less.

    Resale? How often do you sell your jewelry, anyways? And, the fake didn’t cost you much to begin with, so you lost little even without reselling it.

    Same with longevity. You’ll save much more even if you buy 10 fakes of the same real jewelry, that’ll last you as long as you need and cost far less.

    #1058363
    uneeq
    Member

    Get a real gold setting with a fake diamond. Problem solved. No one can tell the difference anyway without using a loupe.

    #1058364
    avhaben
    Participant

    Real diamonds or gold Jewelry is a complete waste of money. Buy the look-alike.

    #1058365
    mra01385
    Participant

    I think real jewelry has much better quality and will last forever, while fake jewelry can get all rusty and black, especially silver plated jewelry. Real jewelry can be polished. I’m not sure if fake jewelry can be polished.

    #1058366
    Logician
    Participant

    The prices are ridiculous anyway, as diamond prices are artificially controlled by limiting the supply.

    #1058367
    hershi
    Member

    That’s another reason to buy fake.

    #1058368
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    If anyone gave me fake jewelery without telling me, it would completely negate all the good will from the gift when I eventually found out.

    #1058369
    hershi
    Member

    Why would it make a difference to you, if it wasn’t represented as being real diamonds?

    #1058370
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Of course it would make a difference, but your question was about giving it without telling them it was fake. It would also make a difference if it was carrot cake instead of diamonds.

    #1058371
    hershi
    Member

    Without telling them it is real and without telling them it is fake. A present is a surprise. You aren’t represnting it either way. You object to that?

    #1058372
    OneOfMany
    Participant

    hershi: If she’s going to assume that it’s real, wouldn’t it be geneivas da’as to do so?

    #1058373
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    yes, I have a real problem with that. If I found out someone did that to me, it would ruin our relationship seriously.

    #1058374
    2scents
    Participant

    I think that the logic behind fake/realy jewerly is this.

    If the gift is a token of appreciation then the content of the gift is not so important (I am not dismissing the fact that the nicer the gift, the bigger the token)

    However if the gift is for an engagement or for a relationship, then the gift has to be real, since it is the content that matters.

    I know people that order fake jewerly similiar to their real ones, so they can leave the real ones in the safe, and carry the replicated ones..

    #1058375
    farrocks
    Member

    Huh? Since when does the physical content of the gift matter if it is for an engagement? Will their lives be poorer if it isn’t a real diamond? Will they be hungrier? Is their happiness dependent on diamonds?

    #1058376
    OneOfMany
    Participant

    farrocks: It doesn’t, necessarily. I know of some couples that agreed to get CZ jewelry, because it really was the same to them. But I don’t think that that’s something that every kallah can do, especially with peer pressure and all. And I don’t think you can fault them for that. The ring IS a very meaningful thing. And seriously, it’s not such a big deal. A modest diamond will not break the bank.

    #1058377
    farrocks
    Member

    Why is it meaningful to them? Is there a logical explanation to that?

    #1058378
    OneOfMany
    Participant

    Because girls like expensive glittery things. Sheesh. What did you think?

    #1058379
    farrocks
    Member

    JAP?

    #1058380
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    Heh. When I proposed to Eeees, I used a candy ring. 🙂 (… and she said “yes.”)

    The Wolf

    #1058381
    OneOfMany
    Participant

    farrocks: Pretty sure it’s universal. You know what they say about girls and diamonds…

    #1058382
    farrocks
    Member

    They all fell victim to De Beers?

    #1058383
    more_2
    Member

    OneOfMany

    Wun Uv Meny

    Why buy real someone real flowers? They’re cheaper, stay fresh longer, and sometimes even look nicer. So why EVER get real flowers? (If the difference isn’t easily discernible.)

    POSTED 2 DAYS AGO #

    Your not female;)

    #1058384
    OneOfMany
    Participant

    farrocks: Um, I don’t know what that means. But that’s not what they say. That’s probably why you don’t understand.

    more_2: Yes I am. I was being rhetorical. 🙂

    #1058385
    uneeq
    Member

    OOM: The explanation is simple. You believe that women like diamonds because they are programmed like that when they were born. That there’s no logical reason, and that’s why diamonds are loved by women all over the world.

    However, a smart person can tell you, that before the 1900’s, the concept of giving a diamond to get married was a very foreign idea. This “natural” deisre for women to get glittery expensive jewelry didn’t exist not so long ago.

    De Beers created that image, using advertising such as “diamonds are forever”, and since they hold about 70% of the world diamond supply, they profited heavily.

    #1058386
    more_2
    Member

    OneOfMany

    Wun Uv Meny

    farrocks: Um, I don’t know what that means. But that’s not what they say. That’s probably why you don’t understand.

    more_2: Yes I am. I was being rhetorical. 🙂

    POSTED 53 MINUTES AGO

    Oh, because your also the mildly retarded eccentric woman;)Lol

    #1058387
    OneOfMany
    Participant

    No, I think girls like expensive glittery things, and De Beers or whoever just directed that inclination toward diamonds. Don’t go telling me women didn’t like ornaments and baubles earlier than 100 years ago, because I’m certain that’s not true.

    #1058388
    HolyMoe
    Participant

    read the classic short story by Guy de Maupassant titled: The Necklace.

    You can find it in English at:http://www.eastoftheweb.com/short-stories/UBooks/Neck.shtml

    It is a sad story about this topic – very well written.

    #1058389
    yehudayona
    Participant

    When my wife and I got engaged 25 years ago, we agreed to forgo the engagement ring. That was at a time when buying a diamond was tantamount to supporting apartheid. Quite a few years later, she told me she’d like a ring, but that it was a waste of money to get a diamond. So I got a nice CZ ring on eBay.

    If you want to know the social history of diamonds, I recommend this long 1982 article from The Atlantic:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1982/02/have-you-ever-tried-to-sell-a-diamond/4575/

    #1058390
    yitayningwut
    Participant

    Yeah, uneeq, that’s a pretty strange assumption to make. You think jewelry and glittery stuff was not a girly thing 200 years ago? You market donuts to people who are hungry, or however the saying should go.

    #1058391
    farrocks
    Member

    uneeq was correctly pointing out that prior to the De Beers marketing campaigns, beginning some 100 or so years ago, there was no concept of having to get a diamond ring upon engagement.

    #1058392
    OneOfMany
    Participant

    more_2: Now I’m Wolf and popa too? I’m not so sure a human being could pull that off…I guess that’s quite a compliment. 🙂

    #1058393
    yitayningwut
    Participant

    Nice! lol

    #1058394
    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Every fake diamond is a real something else.

    #1058397
    SayIDidIt™
    Participant

    RebYidd, did you Bump this for me?

    Interesting topic, but it still doesn’t answer my question. What is it about REAL flowers that women like so much?

    http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/flowers

    About buying fake jewelery, if she thinks it’s real, I think that’s deceiving and not fair! Especially if one of the main points of a gift is that I’m willing to spend money on you. She thinks you spent $YYYY+ on her when you really spent $YYY-, and that’s lying…

    #1058398
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Why does she have to think it’s “real”?

    #1058399
    SayIDidIt™
    Participant

    If you give it to her without any explanation, she will think it’s real (unless she knows you) and IMHO that’s not being honest.

    SiDi™

    #1058400
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Are you in the habit of giving gifts to people who don’t know you?

    Anyhow, you could tell her as you’re giving it.

    #1058401
    SayIDidIt™
    Participant

    Are you in the habit of giving gifts to people who don’t know you?

    A Chassan to his Kallah? They don’t know each other (as much as they think they do!)

    Anyhow, you could tell her as you’re giving it.

    If you tell her, great! My problem would be giving fake and allowing her to think it’s real.

    popa said it very well:

    If anyone gave me fake jewelery without telling me, it would completely negate all the good will from the gift when I eventually found out.

    SiDi™

    #1058402
    SayIDidIt™
    Participant

    DY, I debated if popa should be capitalized or not…

    SiDi™

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