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  • #1179342

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    Why do I have a feeling of deja vu?

    #1179343

    Sparkly
    Member

    lu – smoking is like jumping off the roof its true.

    #1179344

    Health
    Participant

    LU -“Because it’s a Mefurash Posek in the Torah. Smoking is not.”

    That line sounds like a Tzdoiky!!

    I saw this online: “Common consensus among the halachic authorities is to consider electric incandescent light bulbs as fire for the purpose of Shabbat observance. Just as lighting a fire is a Biblical violation of Shabbat, so too is the flipping of a switch which turns on a light.[1]”

    So do you turn on lights on Shabbos because it’s not written that’s Osser with a Mefurash Posek in the Torah?!?

    #1179345

    Sparkly
    Member

    bump

    #1179346

    Meno
    Participant

    Can we please just all agree that smoking is otd and pikuach nefesh, and its ok to watch movies so we can stop bumping this thread?

    #1179347

    benignuman
    Participant

    Since when does doing aveiros (alone) make one OTD? A person that does aveiros out of tayvah, like smoking, watching movies, etc. (assuming they are in fact assur), is not off the derech.

    #1179348

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    benignuman

    Dont you know that if you decide to learn Nach instead of Gemorah, you are OTD

    #1179349

    Health
    Participant

    ZD -“Dont you know that if you decide to learn Nach instead of Gemorah, you are OTD”

    It depends why you’re not learning Gemorra. If it’s because you don’t believe in Torah Sheh Bal Peh, then you are OTD!

    If it’s because you were never taught how to learn Gemorra, then you’re not Otd.

    #1179350

    Sparkly
    Member

    Health – i must be otd since i smoke lol. (just joking) but for real if i did smoke i would consider myself otd.

    #1179351

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    Meno: “Can we please just all agree that smoking is otd and pikuach nefesh, and its ok to watch movies so we can stop bumping this thread?”

    lol.

    #1179352

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    ZD:

    “benignuman

    Dont you know that if you decide to learn Nach instead of Gemorah, you are OTD”

    So if I would decide to start learning Nach, would I be OTD?

    #1179353

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    I consider myself to be OTD. I don’t think I’m completely on the Derech. Maybe on the side at best.

    #1179354

    Meno
    Participant

    “but for real if i did smoke i would consider myself otd”

    I find that hard to believe. So much so that it even makes me laugh.

    #1179355

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    I do a lot of things that are much worse than smoking! (so I guess I’m not even on the side).

    #1179356

    benignuman
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    Health wrote: “It depends why you’re not learning Gemorra. If it’s because you don’t believe in Torah Sheh Bal Peh, then you are OTD!

    If it’s because you were never taught how to learn Gemorra, then you’re not Otd.”

    There are many other reasons than those two (e.g. you enjoy Nach more, it is easier to get published in Nach, etc.). If it is anything other than the first reason, you are not OTD.

    #1179357

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Sarcasm is lost on many

    #1179358

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    ZD: I was being sarcastic myself, or was that lost on you?

    As a girl, I can’t imagine that too many people would consider me OTD if I started learning Nach instead of Gemara!

    #1179359

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    I was actually aimed at health.

    I was trying to make the point that if someone is frum , does everything according to the torah, but is a little out of the box , Some call them OTD.

    The point of saying Nach, was not to say someone only belived in Torah Shbetav, but rather someone who didnt really like gemorah, but wanted to learn something else that they did like and could get more out of.

    #1179360

    Health
    Participant

    ZD -“The point of saying Nach, was not to say someone only belived in Torah Shbetav, but rather someone who didnt really like gemorah, but wanted to learn something else that they did like and could get more out of.”

    Well then, you should have said that in the beginning!

    But I think you were out to Shtoch!

    #1179361

    Sparkly
    Member

    i dont understand how people consider guys who smoke not otd?

    #1179362

    nishtdayngesheft
    Participant

    “Dont you know that if you decide to learn Nach instead of Gemorah, you are OTD”

    I know you thought you were being sharp, however, making light of learning gemara and saying focus specifically on Nach was very much what the Reform movement would say.

    And, following in their Footsteps(That’s called dual purposing) Dov Lipman wrote an article saying that Yeshivot should move away from learning gemara and should learn Nach instead. And we know that he affiliated with a party that wanted to move people OTD.

    Saying Learn Nach instead of Gemara is NOT a benign statement.

    #1179363

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Oh, come on NDG, he’s not saying to change the normal curriculum, he’s suggesting it for those who are not being matzliach in learning Gemara.

    #1179364

    Meno
    Participant

    “i dont understand how people consider guys who smoke not otd?”

    Hey, I just discovered there’s a thread about that:

    http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/frum-boys-who-smoke/page/

    #1179365

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    can someone please summarize the last 9 pages

    #1179366

    nishtdayngesheft
    Participant

    DY,

    I didn’t say he did. I suspect the ZD had no idea of the meaning of his words.

    But had he been aware of the history of such statements, he would realize it was not something that is appropriate for sarcasm.

    #1179367

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    can someone please summarize the last 9 pages

    Sparkly: someone who smokes is OTD.

    Everyone else: no he isn’t.

    Sprinkle in a debate about which is worse, smoking or watching movies.

    Time to move on to the Health/Ubiquitin marathon.

    #1179368

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    BTW, I can summarize that even more concisely:

    Ubiquitin: ?

    Health: !

    Everyone else: zzzzz

    #1179369

    benignuman
    Participant

    “Saying Learn Nach instead of Gemara is NOT a benign statement”

    True. I definitely didn’t make such a statement.

    #1179370

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    There is a reason the Rebbe always told you not to ask a Kasher of a Maaser

    #1179371

    WinnieThePooh
    Participant

    It was worth agonizing thru 9 repetitive pages to get to DY’s last 2 posts- brilliant!

    Perfect way to end this thread, no??? Please???

    #1179372

    Sparkly
    Member

    WinnieThePooh – why do you want the thread to end? we still havent come to our conclusion.

    #1179373

    nishtdayngesheft
    Participant

    “Kasher of a Maaser”

    I’ve never heard this.

    And nothing turns up even in a Google search that seems to make sense.

    Can you explain this?

    #1179374

    Meno
    Participant

    “And nothing turns up even in a Google search that seems to make sense”

    Google never went to shiur.

    #1179375

    WinnieThePooh
    Participant

    Sparkly-“why do you want the thread to end? we still havent come to our conclusion. “

    Yes we have, everyone has been saying the same thing over and over. Just maybe no one has convinced anyone else to change their minds.

    nisht- “Kasher of a Maaser” -he means “a kashe (question) of a maa’seh (a story)”- i.e. you don’t ask questions on/delve too deeply into a story.

    #1179376

    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    wtp – he knew that, he just wanted to make sure it was pointed out.

    #1179377

    Sparkly
    Member

    WinnieThePooh – everyone is trying to say that boys who smoke are not otd and im trying to say that that is false.

    #1179378

    Person1
    Member

    I think everyone else is just amused.

    #1179380

    WinnieThePooh
    Participant

    It’s not amusing anymore. Yes, Sparkly we know what you are saying, and what everyone else is saying. that’s my point exactly- we’ve been saying the same things for 9 pages already! You are not convincing anyone that boys who smoke are OTD and they are obviously not convincing you that they are not, so why bother continuing this thread?

    #1179381

    Nechomah
    Participant

    Sparkly, perhaps you don’t understand, but the other people on this thread do not agree with you. While I am very against smoking and my sons all know that if they even though about taking a puff they probably would not be able to sit down for a very long time (just joking), there are a lot of boys in EY who smoke. It’s more accepted over here. It would have been a deal breaker for a shidduch for my daughter before she met her husband and I had to quickly call the shadchan to make sure he did not smoke before we would even consider letting them go out (no point in going out with someone that there is no chance to marry), but her friends have brothers who smoke and they are not off the derech. Either you have to come up with some proofs to your side or drop the argument because you haven’t convinced anybody here in the CR.

    #1179382

    Health
    Participant

    Nechomah -“Sparkly, perhaps you don’t understand, but the other people on this thread do not agree with you. While I am very against smoking and my sons all know that if they even though…”

    I think this whole topic is one big misunderstanding!

    I don’t think Sparkly understands the Yeshivishe new slange meaning of “OTD”!

    #1179383

    Meno
    Participant

    “I think this whole topic is one big misunderstanding!

    I don’t think Sparkly understands the Yeshivishe new slange meaning of “OTD”!”

    This^

    #1179385

    Sparkly
    Member

    Health – so what is the yeshivish new slang of otd?

    #1179386

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    so what is the yeshivish new slang of otd?

    If you wear a Blue shirt instead of a white shirt

    #1179387

    Sparkly
    Member

    zahavasdad – are you referring to on shabbos or during a weekday because i know LOTS of guys who wear different color shirts on shabbos and LOTS of other guys who ONLY wear them during the weekday?

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