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CTlawyer -“Who is “they”
The law requires reasonable accommodation for religious beliefs/practices. It does not mandate accommodation in all cases.”
I’m well aware of the law. But law is a joke, all the way upto the US Supreme Court (and recently)!
And don’t ask me to prove it! I have proof, but I don’t have to prove it to you!
“I remember applying to college and being told the Jew quota was closed. Now the discrimination (if it exists) is not blatant and open.”
We don’t need the Goyish favors! It’s better to go to a Jewish run school. I went to Touro & they have plenty of Goyim. And most grads get jobs.
Ubiquitin,
The story is in the American thinker Google Hillary Clinton and menora
CA
I’m good at googling. I’m just not sure about the story They are all sourced to one book some of which’s anecdotes have been shown to be false.
This one may be true I dont know.
I do know though that a google search of hillary and menora yields a few pictures of her lighting a menora and of being present for menora lightnings. Many more than one incident and all more recent than 1973
Health………….
I went to college before there was a Touro and law school before there was Touro or Cardozo.
I went to Ivy league college and law schools.
I was told the Jew quota was closed at Princeton and Wesleyan in the 1960s
You don’t have to prove anything to me, you are a person with only a screen name. BUT you made a claim of ‘they’ and didn’t identify who ‘they’ are…I merely asked you to tell us who the pronoun meant.
I have made reasonable accommodations for employees religious observances when hiring where possible. I have also received them over the years before I had my own firm.
There is no Goyish favor in going to an Ivy League college and paying large fees. Today, one is admitted based on performance, not quota. Gone are the days when you had to identify your religion and provide a picture on your application.
CTlawyer -“I went to college before there was a Touro and law school before there was Touro or Cardozo”
Again honesty fails you! There was YU and NIRC, which had deals with colleges there.
“You don’t have to prove anything to me, you are a person with only a screen name. BUT you made a claim of ‘they’ and didn’t identify who ‘they’ are…I merely asked you to tell us who the pronoun meant.”
And I answered you! I’ll repeat it -“But law is a joke, all the way upto the US Supreme Court (and recently).”
Health……………..
Honesty NEVER fails me.
You still have not defined “they” instead you mock the the law and the courts.
The law is a thing, not a “they”
The Federal courts do little hiring, judges are appointed by politicians, not hired. The only court you mention has Jewish judges for 100 years.
But, all of this is a diversion from the thread’s topic, the OP’s accusation that Frum voters who cast their votes for Clinton are unfortunate.
That action is on;ly unfortunate for Clinton’s opponents in the race.
CTLAWYER -“You still have not defined “they” instead you mock the the law and the courts.
The law is a thing, not a “they””
I thought lawyers had a good command of the English language!
For the third time, I know of a case that went all the way to the US Supreme Court that “they” refused to uphold the law of “Religious accommodation”!
At least in some countries they are openly Antisemitic, here it is very subtle!
“But, all of this is a diversion from the thread’s topic, the OP’s accusation that Frum voters who cast their votes for Clinton are unfortunate.”
You have no clue what Trump is all about! You want things to continue the way they are, but Not e/o lives in the American dream like you!
Some people can’t get jobs in certain fields in this wonderful country of yours’, because they are Shomer Shabbos!
Trump’s whole popularity is because he’s anti-establishment!
Things are Not so rosy for a lot of people!
Re-read my posts and I tried to allude to some of it!
Health…
this is the FIRST time you refer to a ‘case’ that went all the way to SCOTUS and the court did not hold as you seem to think the law requires.
Please cite the case…I’d love to look it up
I have more than a clue what Trump is about. He is an opportunistic businessman, who has gone bankrupt repeatedly, had three wives, committed open adultery, stiffed workers. He is blatant in his anti-immigrant status…nonsense from the grandson of German immigrants whose grandfather ran bars and houses of prostitution in Canada.
You make statements about what I want without knowing what I want. You state I want everything to continue as it is. That is not so. I’d love to reduce the size of government, eliminate the stalemate in Congress, provide universal healthcare, make the tax rates equitable by eliminating many loopholes, have a Constitutional amendments to overturn Citizens United, eliminate the Electoral College and elect the President by popular vote and many more things.
Wow. I am literally shocked at how many from people are considering voting for Hillary. I think sometimes Trump supporters (and the man himself) are less than articulate so I would like to explain my personal support for Mr. Trump even though I was not supporting him from the beginning. (I also think many people on this chat are responding to the media narrative and are turned off from Trump’s course approach, which I believe we have to look past at this point in time)
1) I believe that one of the main reasons (as I see expressed) people fear Trump is because of this phantom word “presidential”. True, Trump is not a seasoned politician, and he does not speak with sweeping rhetoric that inspire it’s listener. He is a businessman. Any business people on this chat will understand that in business what makes you successful is not how pretty your language is, but whether or not you can cut through the nonsense, listen to the relevant opinions, and lead the charge for real change. Most people who have sat in the room with Trump have said that they were surprised at what a great listener he is and how he really can get along with all types of people. NOBODY is successful in business by alienating everyone. I think people misunderstand this man and the way he operates. They mistake toughness and bluntness with arrogance.
2) I think, as Jews, we should agree with most of Trump’s policies. He will appoint conservatives to the Supreme court (we will be living in a very different world as a religious person if Hillary appoints her liberal judges), he will support the police over rioters, he will support Israel (he has been a great friend to Jews during his entire business career), he will repeal the Johnson amendmant and allow religious institutions to speak their minds, he will not apologize for religion and destroy the liberal PC agenda where you are racist or Islamaphobic if you condemn violence or want to be cautious about radical Islam, and he will not bring Muslems into this country who sympathize with extreme elements of Islam and may eventually radicalize. (PEOPLE – this has NOTHING to do with Judaism (unless you think Jews will become terrorists in the near future). If anything Hillary is more dangerous for the Jews because she will find an excuse to scapegoat Israel in any conflict)
3) I believe, contrary to what people say, Trump is a very good man. People who know him well like Giuliani, Mike Pence, Newt Gingrich, and countless people who work for him say he is kind and quietly charitable. I know many instances of him helping Jews and victims without it being publicized initially. I am VERY impressed with his kids, and you do not have good kids by accident. He raised them to be responsible and insisted no drugs, no alcohol, no cigarettes. Imagine having that message from the white house!
4) There are countless more, but let me end by saying Hillary is dangerous. She believes we live in a racist country, wants to turn this country into a more socialist society (more dependency, higher taxes, income redistribution), wants to legalize millions of illegal immigrants, won’t seal the border, will apologize for Islam, she is a liar/corrupt – out for her own interests, and is anti-Judaism on all social issues.
Feel free to argue – I like to go back and forth and will listen to all opinions. Try to look past the media sphere people!
Health
“Some people can’t get jobs in certain fields in this wonderful country of yours’, because they are Shomer Shabbos!”
You think Trump will change that? how?
And those fields are the exception, not the rule. To the best of my knowledge, It is only fields where the employee is expected to work 7 days a week and no “reasonable accomodation” can be made to allow person to take off every Saturday (and leave early on Friday for a big chunk of the year)
what fields are you referring to?
kaganys
I suspect you are kidding, but I’ll bite what makes you say he is “the most successful businessman around today”?
To kaganys: In one of your posts you said the Donald is the most successful businessman around today. Says who? Where did you read that? If he wants to show us his business success, he could release his financial statements, but he won’t because, I suspect, his business performance has been mediocre. His casinos all went broke, his mortgage company entered the mortgage market on the eve of a colossal bust, he has not built anything in years, and his answers to questions about his net worth imply that he has no clue about accounting principles. And if you drive over the Whitestone Bridge, from Long Island to the Bronx, you will see the world’s ugliest golf course, with the Trump name on it.
Real business successes, like Mike Bloomberg and Warren Buffet think Trump is a colossal phony.
As I’ve said earlier, both choices are awful. That said, the amount of ignorance of the facts about both and the assumption that rabidly left or right wing articles and videos are factual is simply staggering. Stop yelling at each other, try to find objective sources, or at least ones that don’t offer confirmation bias for your existing beliefs, and draw conclusions from that. And for goodness sake, remember that you’ll need to be civil to each other when the dust settles and both of these candidates are gone.
Musicaldignity
1) Presidential is not a “phantom word” People may define it differently. To me it encomposes a few things. One is acting in a way that is appropriate for a president. PErhaps growing up in our community this message has been hammered home that the way dress, talk, act all should be befitting a ben torah. Similaerly, (and lehavdil) a president should conduct himself a certain way. Which does not include routine use of vulgarities talking in a certain way about women etc. You yourself admit Trump is less than articulate. This is a problem.
More importantly however, a to be “PResidential” you need certain qualities including the right temperament judgement etc. Trump has shown over and over that eh is sevely lacking in both. Look at the debacle with the Khan family. Most people would ignore them, they lost a son and gave a non-prime time speech criticizing you. Big deal. But Trump cant let it go. nor can he let it go when his advisers urge him to just let it go .He lacks both the temperament and judgement required of a PResident. We are reassured, dotn worry he may not be knowedagble on foreign policy etc (another problem btw) but he has good advisers. What good are advisers, if he doesnt listen to them?
” but whether or not you can cut through the nonsense, listen to the relevant opinions, and lead the charge for real change.”
He has shown that he cant cut through the nonsense. He has shown this over and over.
” NOBODY is successful in business by alienating everyone.”
Who knows how succesful he is? He wont release any concrete evidence of that.
” I think people misunderstand this man and the way he operates. They mistake toughness and bluntness with arrogance.”
Trump isnt someone weve watched for a year. He has been in the limelight for several decades. We know quite well how he operates
2)” He will appoint conservatives to the Supreme court”
How do you know? This is a man with a very liberal ideas on most issues until he decided to run as a republican.
The same holds true for the bulk of your 2nd paragraph. Trump is unpredictable. which is a very dangerous quality for a PResident
3) “I believe, contrary to what people say, Trump is a very good man.”
I’mnot sure why you believe that since He stole a lot of money from unsuspecting trump university students. But I’ll grant that Hillary isnt good either
” I am VERY impressed with his kids, and you do not have good kids by accident. He raised them to be responsible and insisted no drugs, no alcohol, no cigarettes. Imagine having that message from the white house!”
Chelsea isnt a “good kid”? And what about the message of being a serial philanderer and whose wife posed in inappropriate magazines (Granted Bill might not send the best message either, but Hillary seems ok)
4)” There are countless more, but let me end by saying Hillary is dangerous…”
Assuming that is true. Does it concern you that Trump supported Hillary as late as 2015, If she is as dangerous as you say, does it worry you that your candidate didnt see it until he decided to run?
This post matter not at all. 99.5 % of the frum people in this country live in states where Hillary will win by a landslide anyway unfortunately so it make zero difference what the frum people do.
CTlawyer -“this is the FIRST time you refer to a ‘case’ that went all the way to SCOTUS and the court did not hold as you seem to think the law requires.
Please cite the case…I’d love to look it up”
I’m sure you would! But I’m not posting the name of the case because it involves private information. Do a law search on employment discrimination due to non- accommodation for Saturday observance.
“He is blatant in his anti-immigrant status…”
Another liberal lie! He’s only against ILLEGAL Mexicans and Muslims that aren’t vetted properly!
Ubiq -“You think Trump will change that? how?”
If knows about the discrimination against Frum Jews, he’s the type of person to try and change the law; so it would pass the Antisemitic SCOTUS!
“And those fields are the exception, not the rule. To the best of my knowledge, It is only fields where the employee is expected to work 7 days a week and no “reasonable accomodation” can be made to allow person to take off every Saturday (and leave early on Friday for a big chunk of the year)”
Stop with the liberal lies! Name one area of jobs – where it’s Not required to work Friday afternoon! I actually know one, but only one!
” We need a president call radical islam by its name”
why, explain why that is so important?
Perhaps because “workplace violence” is on the rise and its increase is correlated with increases in moslem immigation to the West – It might be helpful to name the problem in order to find solutions –
you are either concerned with immigration policies like Trump is (and unlike Clinton: “Islam is a religion of peace, or Obama’s “Support Illegals” policies”) or…
you are in denial – which one is it?
Ubiquitin – It may make sense to take apart a post point-by-point if you actually have a counterargument to those points but if all you really have to say is “Well, I don’t agree” then just say that and be done with it. And…
either Clinton supports Israel or she doesn’t, and you either care whether she does or you don’t (I vote the latter for both) –
perhaps the difference is that some of us believe the lies that politicians and the media feed us, whereas some of look at the facts, including personal anecdotes of politician’s lives.
If you believe in the delusion that Clinton was being polite in kissing Arafat’s wife and you believe that there was a mistranslation of a blood libel against Israel, then I can certainly take the moral high road in supporting Trump – he doesn’t support radical Islam ot hate Jews – sounds like someone worthy of support to me.
Health
Like almost everything you post you are wrong yet again (and with such vitriol too)
A few months ago Trump called for a “total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States”
This is readily searchable.
Total and complete does not equal only illegals nor does it equal those “that aren’t vetted properly”
IT means total and complete
Oh and !!!!!!
dbrim
Im sorry I dont understand your response. Are you saying workplace violence is due to radical islam? and that by calling it radical islam it will go away?
ISIS is a problem. Obama never said or implied otherwise. He is reluctant to call it “Radical islam” which I sort of get though not fully. what I completly dont get is why calling it Radical islam is so critical. I eagerly await your response
” It may make sense to take apart a post point-by-point if you actually have a counterargument to those points but if all you really have to say is “Well, I don’t agree” then just say that and be done with it. “
Are you sure that was addressed to me? I’m not sure where I said “well I dont agree”
“either Clinton supports Israel or she doesn’t”
Sorry My world isnt binary and there is a lot of in between. Some support Israel more some less. But in a binary world then she in fact supports ISrael. Tell me does AIPAC frequently have ISrael’s opponents speak at their confrences?
“and you either care whether she does or you don’t “
I do
“(I vote the latter for both)”
Well shame on you. You should care about Israel, but if you dont, well it is a free country. (Though Ive never really heard of “voting” whether someone supports ISrael or not)
“If you believe in the delusion that Clinton was being polite in kissing Arafat’s wife “
Well she definitly was, but you are saying that she kissed Shua Arafat because she loves Radical Islam. Though wouldnt that mean when she kissed R’ Genack she loves Orthodox Jews?
“he doesn’t support radical Islam ot hate Jews – sounds like someone worthy of support to me.”
No he doesnt hate Jews (probably) but many of his supporters do and that he doesnt condmen those supporters is concerning, though perhaps not a reason not to vote for him. However his advocating war crimes is a reason (in my book) not to vote for him.
(BTW if this isnt a point by point rebuttal, I dont know what is)
Ubiq -“and with such vitriol too”
Are you talking about yourself?!?
“A few months ago Trump called for a “total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States”
Total and complete does not equal only illegals nor does it equal those “that aren’t vetted properly””
Stop pushing the liberal agenda! Stop twisting his words!
If you would know what he actually holds, you wouldn’t push those liberal lies!
First of all, he wants to deport the Illegal Mexicans, not the legal ones!
Secondly, he holds we can’t let in Any Muslims, until we have some sort of system to differentiate between the ones that could become radicalized & the ones that believe in democracy!!!!!
Health………….
RIDICULOUS…you make claims about a case that went to the Supreme Court and won’t cite it. There is no such thing as it has private information. If the case really went through the court system is is public record. This is not a family court case where names and information may be kept secret to protect minors.
You have no concrete evidence, you just are slinging accusations.
Trump’s call for a TOTAL ban on Muslim immigration is not the same as non-vetted as you now write.
You have lots of experience backpedalling………….
You can back upo nothing you have said. In fact anti-immigrant includes
those who are not here legally, and Trump is anti-immigrant, except when it comes to the two women he made babies with.
I through discussing this with you, it is a waste of time, you appear to have consumed the Trump Kool-Aid.
Health
he’s the type of person to try and change the law”
I don’t follow the law calls for “reasonable accommodation ” for genuinely held religious belief. Are you saying trump would pass a law calling for all accommodation even unreasonable?
“Stop with the liberal lies! Name one area of jobs – where it’s Not required to work Friday afternoon”
Are you for real? You don’t know of any jobs where people have successfully navigated taking off Friday afternoon? What are you talking about?
Granted not every profession can offer “reusable accomodation”but you can only think f one that does?
At the risk of turning this post too long, before I start listing, how many professions would you like?
Health: I have friends who are doctors, lawyers, paralegals, electrical engineers, mechanical engineers, public school teachers, private school teachers, university professors, video game programmers, computer science coders (lots of different one, don’t know the technical titles), IT managers, financial advisors, hedge fund workers, executives of companies, among many others. They can all leave early on Friday afternoons in the winter.
kaganys: How can u say that trump I’d a failed businessman if he’s the most successful businessman around today
What makes him the most successful businessman around today? He’s nowhere near the richest. According to the Forbes list this year, he is #336 in the world. Bloomberg has him at around #500. Other, far more successful businessmen (including Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Michael Bloomberg, and Mark Cuban) think that he’s more of a failure than a success as a businessman.
CTlawyer -“RIDICULOUS…you make claims about a case that went to the Supreme Court and won’t cite it. There is no such thing as it has private information. If the case really went through the court system is is public record. This is not a family court case where names and information may be kept secret to protect minors.”
Speaking about ridiculous – you know titles of cases are in people’s names. So why don’t you – Do a law search on employment discrimination due to non- accommodation for Saturday observance?
Then you could back here and tell us that the system isn’t Antisemitic like I claim!
“You have no concrete evidence, you just are slinging accusations.”
That’s where you’re wrong!
“Trump’s call for a TOTAL ban on Muslim immigration is not the same as non-vetted as you now write.”
“You can back upo nothing you have said. In fact anti-immigrant”
Why don’t you read my previous post?
“he holds we can’t let in Any Muslims, until we have some sort of system to differentiate between the ones that could become radicalized & the ones that believe in democracy”
It’s called a temporary ban!
But you like to push the liberal lies!
“I through discussing this with you, it is a waste of time, you appear to have consumed the Trump Kool-Aid”
And you have consumed the DemonCrat Kool-aid! And soon will just be like Europe with all their terrorist attacks!
Ubiq -“I don’t follow the law calls for “reasonable accommodation ” for genuinely held religious belief. Are you saying trump would pass a law calling for all accommodation even unreasonable?”
My point was that the courts aren’t doing what they’re supposed to do!
I think that’s because they hate Religious people, except Religious Muslims!
We need to get real honest Judges, not the system we have now!
“Are you for real? You don’t know of any jobs where people have successfully navigated taking off Friday afternoon? What are you talking about?”
It wasn’t a point about getting off. It was a point how the laws are a joke when it comes to Jewish Religious Rights!
Health
“Are you talking about yourself?!?”
nope, I am referring to all your posts calling everything you dont like a “liberal lie” even when it is based on facts that you simply dont care for.
“Stop twisting his words!”
I didnt twist his words, I quoted him verbatim
“If you would know what he actually holds, you wouldn’t push those liberal lies!”
I know exactly what he holds. He holds that he will say anything that pops into his brain that his supporters want to hear. He doesnt care about Muslims, Jews, Mexico or anything all he cares about is Trump.
“Secondly, he holds we can’t let in Any Muslims, until we have some sort of system to differentiate between the ones that could become radicalized & the ones that believe in democracy!!!!!”
Ok for arguments sake lets say that is what he holds.
So when you said this: “Another liberal lie! He’s only against ILLEGAL Mexicans and Muslims that aren’t vetted properly!” you were lying/wrong/mistaken/exaggerating/incorrect (you can choose which you think best describes your conflicting statments) as you are now saying he is in fact against ALL Muslim immigration albeit temporarily and perhaps for a good reason.
however he is not only opposed to “Illegals that arent vetted properly” He is in fact opposed to ALL and that statement was not a “liberal lie” but a fact.
Health
I still dont follow, The law demans “reaosnable accomodation”
Is that incorrect?
you said “My point was that the courts aren’t doing what they’re supposed to do!”
What are they supposed to do dmeand all accomodation even if not “reasonable”
“It was a point how the laws are a joke when it comes to Jewish Religious Rights!”
I am not sure where you live, Go to Brooklyn, 5 towns, Lakewood, Monsey etc you will find thousands of proffesionals who have no trouble keeping Shabbos. IF you are having some trouble (and I’m not saying it is perfect, but we have come a long way from the early 20’th century thanks to liberal judges may they have continued hatzlacha to continue their avodas hakodesh) contact the Agudah they can help you, they have relevant state statutes that protect your rights on their website.
“It wasn’t a point about getting off. “
So when you said “Stop with the liberal lies! Name one area of jobs – where it’s Not required to work Friday afternoon!”
It was in fact you who was lying? Or do you want me to start listing jobs? (Sam started but I’m prepared to list as many as you like (within reason since I only know a finite number of shomer shabbos people))
Ubiq -“however he is not only opposed to “Illegals that arent vetted properly” He is in fact opposed to ALL and that statement was not a “liberal lie” but a fact”
When you stop trying to say liberal propaganda – I’ll try to explain it! He will let in Muslims, but first we need a system to differentiate between the ones that could become radicalized & the ones that believe in democracy!
Ubiq -“What are they supposed to do dmeand all accomodation even if not “reasonable””
No! My point was that the courts should start following the law!
The law says one thing and legal system does another!
You’re in this dream world about this country!
We need s/o like Trump to try and change it!
Health
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“He will let in Muslims, but first we need a system to differentiate between the ones that could become radicalized & the ones that believe in democracy!”
So for now he is opposed to muslim immigration. Fair?
“No! My point was that the courts should start following the law!”
I know I know this is a liberal lie and he meant something else but as usual is so inarticulate that he couldnt get his point across.
and quick question:
So when you said “Stop with the liberal lies! Name one area of jobs – where it’s Not required to work Friday afternoon!”
It was in fact you who was lying? Or do you want me to start listing jobs? (Sam started but I’m prepared to list as many as you like (within reason since I only know a finite number of shomer shabbos people))
“There is no doubt that Obama seriously damaged America (moral affairs, health care, etc.) and seriously damaged the international stage (Syria, Iraq, etc.)”
There is no doubt that the above is a completely false statement.
Trump supporters follow Midot Goebbels. Trump himself just installed the head for the most slanderous untruthful internet site around, Breitbart.com, as his campaign manager. Expect more of the same for the rest of the campaign.
And it was just revealed today that one of his few foreign policy advisors is a vile anti-Semite who prided himself on firing Jews while he was in government.
It is a chilul HaShem that Jews support Trump.
“Stop pushing the liberal agenda! Stop twisting his words!”
Nobody is twisting his words other than his supporters who are trying to explain away over a year of offensive remarks that betray a total lack of understanding of any and all public issues.
“Name one area of jobs – where it’s Not required to work Friday afternoon!”
Mine.
“My point was that the courts aren’t doing what they’re supposed to do!”
Care to mention an example?
Stop with the liberal lies! Name one area of jobs – where it’s Not required to work Friday afternoon! I actually know one, but only one!
I am a database developer. I do not have to work Friday afternoons. In fact, because my job allows me to work where/whenever I like, my schedule is very flexible. I can make up the hours by staying later during the week, working on a Saturday night or Sunday, or in other ways.
I’m not a professional photographer, but if I were, I would not be required to work on Friday afternoons. I could schedule my photo shoots for whatever time was convenient for me.
The Wolf
Ubiq -“The court interprets the law. That is their role.”
Who says? If the law says “Religious accommodation” and they said not more than “de minimus”. Who says that what it means? I say no matter what!
I happen not to have a problem with that interpretation, but what I just posted was to make a point!
Charlie -“Care to mention an example?”
Why don’t you read the topic before you come here to post?!?
Start from the beginning and you won’t have such silly questions!
Ubiq -“It was in fact you who was lying? Or do you want me to start listing jobs?”
Wolf -“I do not have to work Friday afternoons.”
Charlie -“”Name one area of jobs – where it’s Not required to work Friday afternoon!”
“Mine.”
FYI – I’m not going to continue to answer these types of questions that are illogical, from the start!
I think that your whole purpose is to prove me wrong, in order to push your liberal agenda!
But I’ll answer this one!
I was talking about where the job requirements are 9-5, M-F, no option of flex time. If the employer isn’t nice, they could make up any story why they can’t give off!
Ubiquitin, LOL – did you intentionally miscontrue or simply misunderstand my post:
If someone disagrees with another’s opinion but they do not bring any evidence to support their counter argument, this is equivalent (that means equal) to saying “I disagree because…well, because I disagree” even if you don’t actually use those words – do you get that?
The “workplace violence” comment was in quotes (“”) because I was being facetious – this is what Obama and other liberals call islamic terrorist attacks in order to promote their anti-west, anti-Israel agenda. We should be concerned because these attacks are on the rise and it matters what we call these terrorist attacks because if we call these attacks workplace violence, well, then we should offer yoga classes in the workplace but if it’s Islamic terrorism, then we should probably scrutinize our immigration policies sans trump (did you get the sarcasm or should I explain?)
BTW, I support Israel – I live there and that is why I am voting for Trump (I am not voting for supporting Israel, unless there is such an election) – I was insinuating (do you know what that means?) that you don’t support Israel but I apologize – it was a little judgemental of me.
CH: LOL “Voting for Trump is a chilul Hashem” well, if that is how your daas Torah holds then clearly you should not vote for Trump (did he also paskin that you should vote for Clinton?)
In any event, once you pull the Daas Torah card, the discussion ends, and B”H for that. We get it – you liberals will vote Clinton. She will probably win, and when the results are disasterous we can all laugh at you and say “Told you so”.
Health
“Who says?”
The constitution.
“I happen not to have a problem with that interpretation, but what I just posted was to make a point!”
What is your point? Especially if you do in fact agree with the courts on the one example you cited to show how courts discriminate against Jews?
“”Care to mention an example?”
Why don’t you read the topic before you come here to post?!?
Start from the beginning and you won’t have such silly questions!”
It is an excellent question one that has been asked of you by several posters. and by myself 3 times. You have yet to answer.
Here it is a third time:
So when you said “Stop with the liberal lies! Name one area of jobs – where it’s Not required to work Friday afternoon!”
It was in fact you who was lying? Or do you want me to start listing jobs?
“I think that your whole purpose is to prove me wrong, in order to push your liberal agenda!”
No it is to see if when you are clearly wrong (for example when you say there is one job that can take off Friday afternoon, when theri are in fact hundreds) You can say you were wrong.
“But I’ll answer this one!”
You dint answer the question. You said their are no such jobs
” If the employer isn’t nice, they could make up any story why they can’t give off!”
So the thousands upon thousands of frum professionals in hundreds of careers who take of Friday afternoon all have nice employers?
dbrim
” did you intentionally misconstrue or simply misunderstand my post:”
Mostly the latter.
“this is what Obama and other liberals call islamic terrorist attacks”
He called Nice “workplace violence”? Paris? Brussels? Boston?
“We should be concerned because these attacks are on the rise and it matters what we call these terrorist attacks because if we call these attacks workplace violence,”
Ah but that wasnt my question. The question was why is it so important to call it “Radical Islam” Calling it terrorism makes sense. But insulting allies who we need to combat terrorism doesnt really make sense.
“but if it’s Islamic terrorism, then we should probably scrutinize our immigration policies sans trump (did you get the sarcasm or should I explain?)”
You’ll need to explain. sarcastic or not that line doesnt make sense (sans means without)
“(I am not voting for supporting Israel, unless there is such an election)”
There isnt, which is why that line didnt make sense much like the rest of your post.
“I was insinuating (do you know what that means?) that you don’t support Israel but I apologize – it was a little judgemental of me.”
I know, yes and apology accepted
“In any event, once you pull the Daas Torah card, the discussion ends”
Not in this election. The 3 rabbonim IVe spoken are all in the #never trump camp. One going so far as to say anyone who votes for trump isnt a ben torah.
” the discussion ends,”
discussion never ends. That is what makes us human: The ability to think and by extension discuss.
“She will probably win,”
Amen
” and when the results are disasterous we can all laugh at you and say “Told you so”.”
At least we will live to laugh…
Health – I don’t know what a “law search” is, but I did a Google search and nothing came up. If you want people to believe you (which at this point no one has backed you up), then you need to tell everyone how to look up your specific case. The title would be the best way to do so.
In any event, once you pull the Daas Torah card, the discussion ends, and B”H for that. We get it – you liberals will vote Clinton. She will probably win, and when the results are disasterous we can all laugh at you and say “Told you so”.
I fully expect the results of Mrs. Clinton to be against what I would like to happen, perhaps even “disastrous” (most of which can be avoided by not taking federal funding, which is a point that everyone ignores. It really is all about the Kesef). I can live with that, just like I did under Pres. Obama. What I can’t live with is someone who wishes to distribute nukes, removes protections for religious groups, and has no idea when to quit a fight, let alone how not get into one. I don’t like Mrs. Clinton, but I like the possibility of Nuclear War even less. If only the Republicans had put up a cardboard box for president instead of Trump, they would be winning by a landslide.
#neverTrump
GAW -“I don’t like Mrs. Clinton, but I like the possibility of Nuclear War even less.”
Your implication that Mr. Trump will start a nuke war is absurd! With whom will he fight with?
What you should be worried about is Many illegals from Mexico that are here already and that Clinton will let in more.
And also more terrorist attacks like we have now under Obama!
Ubiq -“”Who says?”
“The constitution.”
What does the Constitution say that they can misinterpret the law anyway they feel?!?
“What is your point? Especially if you do in fact agree with the courts on the one example you cited to show how courts discriminate against Jews”
My point is in Antisemitic places they do it openly, here it’s very subtle!
“So the thousands upon thousands of frum professionals in hundreds of careers who take of Friday afternoon all have nice employers?”
That’s right! Or the employers think that it’s the law, but if they didn’t hire the guy and he took it to court – the employer would win!
Health – Until you can show me the case, I have to assume you are not telling the truth. 🙁
GAW -“Until you can show me the case, I have to assume you are not telling the truth”
Sorry – can’t do that! From before -“you know titles of cases are in people’s names. So why don’t you – Do a law search on employment discrimination due to non- accommodation for Saturday observance?”
I’m not advertising my family’s name.
You can assume what you want – I can’t change your assumptions!
Health – Wilshin v. Allstate? The case seems to be correctly decided based on the offer to be open on Sunday instead of Saturday.
P.S. It doesn’t help you to end every paragraph with an exclamation point!!
GAW -“Health – Wilshin v. Allstate?”
No, but don’t come back here with more cases. I’m not going to say yes or no. I’m not going to reveal my name. You can reveal your name – if the Mods let you!
“Your implication that Mr. Trump will start a nuke war is absurd! With whom will he fight with?”
whoever says any thing he doesnt like? That has been the case throughout he campaign
What does the Constitution say that they can misinterpret the law anyway they feel?!?”
Article 2. you now say misinterpret earlier you said “I happen not to have a problem with that interpretation, but what I just posted was to make a point” Which is it?
At any rate earlier you asked “”Who says” regarding The courts interpreting the law. This is in the constitution. You dont get to decide (though of course you can have an opinion). but interpreting the law is PRECISELY the courts role.
“here it’s very subtle!”
What is you havent brought anything to back up your claim. you cite a secret supreme court case that you “happen not to have a problem with [its] interpretation” So what is the issue?
“That’s right!”
wow you have a nice view of the world. SO thousands and thousands of bosses are all ohavei yisreol. Interesting.
” Or the employers think that it’s the law,”
“but if they didn’t hire the guy and he took it to court – the employer would win!”
an assertion youve made without backing up.
also
when you said “Stop with the liberal lies! Name one area of jobs – where it’s Not required to work Friday afternoon!”
where you lying? Or do you want me to start listing jobs?
No, but don’t come back here with more cases. I’m not going to say yes or no. I’m not going to reveal my name. You can reveal your name – if the Mods let you!
No problem. Just don’t expect any sympathy from anyone when you claim you were discriminated against, as none of us have any clue what you are talking about.
who will be voting for trump and who will be voting for clinton?
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