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YWN is full of “articles” claiming various gedolim saying, more or less, than any who support their preferred political party is a tsaddik, and anyone who supports a different party is a rashah. I have met many gedoleim, and I have never heard them speak this way. Even when discussing people with whom they radically disagree, not just Hasid vs Misnagdim, or Ashkenazi vs Sefardi, but even Religious zionists vs Hareidim – I have never heard gedolim being rude or disrespectful towards other gedolim. You usually have to “read between the lines” to get what they are saying since it is the mark of a Ben Torah to use polite indirect speech rather than ‘trash talking.” I am thus highly skeptical of YWN’s articles of how all the rabbanim in Eretz Yisrael are openly denouncing and defaming each other in public. I’ld suspect they are letting underlings put out of context words into the mouths of their masters, and YWN is being naive in reprinting it as “gospel” truth.
Papers publish whatever sells the most newspapers. This is tabloid journalism. The truth is ancilliary to profit.
You usually have to “read between the lines” to get what they are saying since it is the mark of a Ben Torah to use polite indirect speech rather than ‘trash talking.”
No, that is the mark of a person who is afraid of confrontation.
This is surprising? It happens all the time between gedolim of different factions. But since you like one and not the other, you don’t think it’s trash talking. When it suddenly it happens between gedolim both of whom you like, it shouldn’t be that surprising.
I am only aware of 2 Rabbis doing “trash talking” vis a vis the upcoming Israeli Elections. One is a certain Rabbi who deplaned from Delta Airlines earlier today and went to Kikar Shabbos, and the other one, is his estranged brother.
All the other Rabbis including the Rosh Yeshiva of Ponovitz Yeshiva as reported by YWN, are correctly pointing out, that anyone who is religious but not casting a vote, is tantamount to tactical voting for the non-religious parties & increasing the chances of legislature to draft Bochurim out of Yeshiva into the Army. To my limited thinking, this couldn’t be further removed from “trash Taking” and couldn’t be described as anything other than “Sagely taking” and “Correct statistics”.
How is it any different than what transpired between Rav Eybeshutz and Rav Emden? (Or the Vilna Gaon and the Baal HaTanya…)
Sushee, it was never a great idea.
Akuperma,
I saw your comments on the article about R’ Gershon Edelstein, Shlit”a. You’ve got it all wrong. The gedolim in E.Y. who support elections do not have an issue with those who legitimately follow theshitah of the Eidah Chareidis and Satmar. Read some of the letters from the Steipler, zt”l. He strongly supported voting for Agudah, yet defends the Neturei Karta (of his day), saying that their kanous is necessary. The two are not exclusive.
147,
They are following the shitah of their uncle, the heiliger Divrei Yoel, and your words are quite disrespectful.
Back in the day during the Ghettos , if one talked indirectly it didnt really matter because they only ones hearing it understood what was meant. Outsiders really werent paying attention.
Today everyone is paying attention and mostly those who will not understand what is being said, there are plenty more than willing to pounce on every word and twist the meaning to whatever you want and you can broadcast it to the world
What happened to being a “glaache mechel”? Why must things be said obliquely? With some thought and consideration for the feelings of others, anything can be said respectfully AND directly.
I meant what yichusdik is saying: With some thought and consideration for the feelings of others, anything can be said respectfully AND directly.
Ironically and unfortunately, people seem to think that if a Talmid Chacham makes a lot of noise he is a gadol and there must be some substance in what he is saying. That is not at all what I am saying, nor is it true, because regrettably, sometimes Talmidei Chachamim are not deliberate enough and overzealouly use the Torah as a ‘????? ?????’. And all too often people twist their words or outright forge to whatever they wish it should mean. And often, the positions of the baalei davar are mutually exclusive, so one of them must be wrong and the other, possibly right.
and your words are quite disrespectful.
Daas Yochid:- Even more disrespectful to go against the Pesak from the Holy Chazon Ish;
But penultimately, the biggest disrespect, is that by not voting, one is tactically voting for the non religious parties, increasing the chances of army drafting for Yeshiva Bochurim, thereby decreasing & disrespecting Toroh study.
147,
The Divrei Yoel was a bar plugta, and more importantly, didn’t use the disrespectful term “trash talking” about the Chazon Ish (who, by the way, also paskened not to say Hallel on yom haatzmaut).
According to your definition of disrespectful, when you say that Hallel, you are disrespecting the Chazon Ish. (Once you’re looking up the definition of “disrespectful”, you can look up “penultimately)”. 🙂
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