George Floyd

Say what?

I dont know a single person who isn’t horrified by what happened to Floyd.

People can be upset and afraid to see the country descend into chaos and also be upset by how he was treated

Doing my best,

I think what happened to him was a horrible thing

However (to play devils advocate and to probably upset you)

When Jews were beaten up (by African Americans btw) the sympathetic ones were few and far between and said we most said we deserve it

A person doesn’t sympathise with someone else to whom he feels different than (which is why we say ואהבת לרעך כמוך)

DMB – He was a criminal. See my post in Civil D.
How come you have No sympathy for the Cop. A video doesn’t Show the whole Story!
Come back after you read My Comments there.

Joseph: Please define “resisting arrrest”. The videos seem to make that claim unbelievable.

Dear Joseph,
That is true in war and rank in the Army. Civilians are given presumptive innocence. Floyd forfeited no rights by resisting. I give up taking it apart. Your comment is way off.

Lower

“How did the video of George Floyd’s death not bother you? how do you know it doesnt bother me?”

not you, but look at some of the horrifying answers above.
Those posters are not alone. Vast swaths of people agree with them, hence the riots There are many many people who just dont care (some even say the quiet part out loud )

One poster even wants sympathy for a murderer! A guy who was caught on tape snuffing out the life of another human. Oy think about the cop’s poor knee It must’ve been bruised having been held there for 8 minutes

Unless one refuses to subscribe to morality, the actions leading to the death of George Floyd were the wrong solution to the problem of his being uncooperative. Yes, there should be charges filed against all those involved. I see some commenters above have convicted all of them, while others exonerate them. I say, let this go to trial, and let the court system deal with that. The angry Antifa and others have zero right to victimize anyone else.

The riots may emanate from rage. But the victims of this are innocent. The police in other cities have nothing to do with the death, and burning their vehicles is an unacceptable crime.

All that is really happening here is that the animals have somehow gotten out of their cage. No amount of reasoning, not from the President, not the governors, not even the victim’s family will impress them. These chayos simply declare anyone else open season for them to do what they want. Rioting and looting are acts of terror. I am shocked that the politicians are still dancing around this as if there is legitimacy to it. Police need to show up in full riot gear, and anyone that loots is target practice for deadly weapons. That may stop them.

I’m just wondering where we see in the video that it’s Definitely an act of racism and not police recklessness. Their was a case in California a few weeks ago involving a white cop and white guy and nobody cared. Again I’m not saying it wasn’t racism but before the world jumps to conclusion and burns down a bunch of stores over “racist America” shouldn’t we investigate into the matter if it was a racial act or police recklessness?

Also Syag you do this a lot you read comments ut of context.

THe question was “How is it possible that many yidden have almost no sympathetic feelings to George Floyd?”

So when a poster replies “Floyd was an ex-con who resisted arrest….”
He is answering the question. Ie he is saying why he has “almost no sympathetic feelings to George floyd”

So when you say “wrong to claim that posters unwilling to make floyd guilt free are not sympathetic,” you are mistaken. That is LITERALLY what they are answering they are explaining why (to quote the OP) “have almost no sympathetic feelings to George Floyd” BECAUSE “Floyd was an ex-con who resisted arrest…” or BECASUE “He was a criminal.”

you may have sympathy for both ” putting responsibility everywhere it belongs.” but that is NOT what other posters said. don;t put words in their mouths .

“Ubiq- according to your post, the op is not what you were responding to.”

i’m sorry I’m not sure what you mean

The OP asked a question “How is it possible that many yidden have almost no sympathetic feelings to George Floyd?…”

Several posters replied to that question.

I replied to Lower, ypou replied to me.

“Also, he didn’t gasp for air, and any med student knows that someone who tells you they can’t breathe, can…”
until they can’t. If a person is, say choking and gasping for ear saying “help I’m choking” You wouldnt say (I hope) No youre not choikng as “any med student knows ” And you certainly wouldn’t constrict his airway further. Yes He still has an open airway , but for how much longer? And even with a constricted airway even if enough O2 is getting in not enough CO2 is expelled which is harmful too (and potentially fatal in of itself)

And Once Floyd stopped gasping for air did Chauvin let up?
No , he kept his knee there longer, so even in your mistaken assumption that it is safe to constrict a person’s airway as long as he is still gasping for air, Certainly once he stopped he should have let up .

Was it cruel? YES!

Should it have happened? NO!

Should the involved officers be punished? YES!

Do I feel sympathy for the criminal? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

Syag

“Without a single extra word or letter, please quote my words where i said that.”

sure here it is.
“and any med student knows that someone who tells you they can’t breathe, can. ”

Breathing is not a yes or no positive or negative. Of course someone who says “I cant breathe” is still breathing, but he is probably having a hard time doing it. And as it gets harder those breaths become less effective until he stops. Please remind any med student that tells you “any med student knows that someone who tells you they can’t breathe, can” that while that may be true at the moment, it probably won’t be true shortly thereafter,. they should get ready to intervene or call for help.
OR of course, remove their knee from the victim’s throat.

If I in any way misunderstood your post please explain what you meant. Are you not talking about Floyd. Is it just some generic factoid about breathing. (in that case while technically true, I’d still caution you about relying on it too much)

My sincerest apologies if I in any way misunderstood what you meant .
I said “He held his knee there as Floyd gasped for air said he cant breathe, as even a partner asked him to get off.”
To which you said “he didn’t gasp for air, and any med student knows that someone who tells you they can’t breathe, can” which I dont know how to understand in any other way.

With an emphasis on the part where I specifically stated it was “safe to constrict an airway”.

If “Its safe” was an exaggeration or misunderstanding I’m genuinely sorry.

If you viewed the cop’s actions (holding a knee to his neck while he said “I cant breathe”) as dangerous I’m a bit puzzled what you meant to add with “Also, he didn’t gasp for air, and any med student knows that someone who tells you they can’t breathe, can.”

I think you are again same mistake ALWAYS in context. It is impossible to explain a sentence “Without a single extra word or letter,”
It was said in context the context was:

Ubiquitin: “That cop pretty much deliberately murdered him. He held his knee there as Floyd gasped for air said he cant breathe, as even a partner asked him to get off. ”
Syag: ““ …he didn’t gasp for air and any med student knows that someone who tells you they can’t breathe, can. ””

You were (seemingly) disagreeing with what I said. I had said the cop is guilty of murder for constricting his airway in spite of him saying I cant breathe. To which you said “No Floyd was breathing fine” (not a verbatim quote but I don’t understand how else to interpret your sentence )

If that isnt what you meant, I’m sorry but I have no idea what you were trying to say. Were you replying to something else? were you not referring to Floyd?

again of course I believe you and if you didnt mean it the way I understood it (or if I exaggerated) I was compleity wrong and completely apologize.

what did you mean? can you elaborate please.
I don’t want to put words in your mouth.
If I misunderstood that is on me. Feel free to correct the record

Unommin – Because the Demoncrats don’t believe in freedom! They are truly the Facists!

Not sure how to spread it between Yiden but I think that people that could move their merchandise to a safe place should do so. At this rate they very well might end up in Jewish neighborhoods. A stitch in time saves nine. Maybe everyone can pass on to their contacts

Meanwhile n0Mesorah shows his true face again as a lying liar who lies for the sheer joy of lying (or possibly because he’s paid to lie by one of George Soros’s “charities”, as so many hundreds or thousands are).

This will become like Freddie Gray. People from all over the country will state that it was obvious the police were not fully at fault, while the police themselves make no such claim.

The police certainly did say so, AND PROVED IT. The police did absolutely nothing wrong in Freddie Gray’s arrest, and his death was entirely his own fault. A malicious prosecutor tried to frame them and fabricate a case against them, but couldn’t do it. And now only an idiot will take a job in that police department, knowing that at any moment he too could be victimized by his bosses.

Coming late to this conversation, everyone who is accusing the cop of outright murder, “snuffing out a human life” is outright lying. FLOYD DID NOT DIE OF ASPHYXIATION. HE WAS NOT CHOKED TO DEATH. The knee on his neck was a STANDARD, APPROVED method of restraining him, and did not block his airway.

And he had to be restrained because he had resisted being put in the police car, and the cops suspected he was in excited delirium, for which the protocol is that he must be restrained until the medics can get there and inject him with sedatives.

The cops discussed what method of restraining him would be best, and one suggested changing position, but Chauvin figured there was no reason to do so, the position he had him in was good enough. Maybe that was a mistake, but there are no grounds for considering it malicious or a crime.

The charging documents show that there is very little chance of convicting him. He has been charged for political reasons only, in a vain attempt to appease the mob. And he has been robbed of HIS right to the presumption of innocence, now that he is the accused.

Finally, the riots we are seeing now are the best proof, absolute proof, of how much we owe to the cops. Without them EVERY DAY would be like this. We would live our whole lives as slaves to the criminals who would be free to do to us whatever they like without any fear of punishment. And so we owe the police a huge debt of gratitude, and that includes giving them a presumption of being right in any dispute they have with known criminals. Whenever they say something and the criminals say the opposite we should presume they are telling the truth unless we have clear proof otherwise. So their word that he resisted them should be enough for us.

“Here is the context:
Ubiquitin: “That cop pretty much deliberately murdered him. He held his knee there as Floyd gasped for air said he cant breathe, as even a partner asked him to get off. ”
Syag: ““ …he didn’t gasp for air and any med student knows that someone who tells you they can’t breathe, can. ””

(context for what I am about to say- I DO believe he was killed – but it did not look like he was being strangled. I know that pressure on the neck cuts off bloodflow to brain and I assumed that that was why he passed out. Combined with pressure on chest making it hard to breathe as with Mr. Stark Hy”d.)

In the video he has his knee on his neck. I was surprised that he was NOT gasping for air. I am not denying he was being killed, I am not defending the officer. I am saying that in the video he is NOT gasping for air. So my point was that you can’t say that that indicator was present. Next comment I made, and I should have used a period here and not a comma. My fault completely, was that you also can’t use him saying he can’t breather AS AN INDICATOR that he couldn’t breathe. He WAS being killed, but the INDICATORS YOU bring are not present (and are often used to cry wolf) and that is the ONLY thing I meant in those words.

Disclaimer -Do I know that he was dying? no. Do people sometimes say they can’t breathe even if they could? yes. Was the officer wrong for not reassessing YES! 100%

Do you get it now? I couldn’t be as clear as I wanted because I have to keep inserting disclaimers, and if I elaborate any more the whole clarification will get lost. I am NOT discussing motives, I am commenting on the words YOU, a physician, used as INDICATORS that strangulation was obvious. period.

Above is just to clarify the beginning of my comments to you, that one starting/sticking point, not the whole context of the conversation or issue at hand. If I have not been able to make my point A clear, than I think we need to call it a draw.

n0m, as you very well know the police DEPARTMENT was controlled by the criminal mayor (who ended up in prison) and betrayed its officers. The police themselves said they were innocent AND PROVED IT. You know this all, of course. Everyone knows it. You couldn’t miss it. The trial outcomes were so clear, the police had such a complete vindication, that the evil prosecutor eventually gave up and dropped all the remaining charges, because she saw that each trial was going to be another utter humiliation for her and for the city. If Soros yimach shemo is not paying you to lie like this then he is getting a bargain.

Milhouse -“FLOYD DID NOT DIE OF ASPHYXIATION. HE WAS NOT CHOKED TO DEATH. The knee on his neck was a STANDARD, APPROVED method of restraining him, and did not block his airway.”

Thank you for being a SANE Voice on this Topic!

Doing my best -“It was very clearly a cop straight up murdering someone lying on the floor handcuffed”

Is it Murder when s/o comes into your house without any weapons and You kill him?
I’m Not talking about American Law, but Torah law.

Syag

” I usually just bow out”

Thats fine. It is a free country.

You asked where ““Point being “Without a single extra word or letter, please quote my words where i said that.” Is not a reasonable request.”” I replied. Its a bit funny to now say “I was assuming that not responding would be most productive” but you certainly can.

” I DO believe he was killed – but it did not look like he was being strangled.”

THAK YOU!
I was wrong
you did not say “that it is safe to constrict a person’s airway as long as he is still gasping for air,”” And I was wrong in misinterpreting .

You were arguing on a technicality
I said “That cop pretty much deliberately murdered him. He held his knee there as Floyd gasped for air said he cant breathe, as even a partner asked him to get off. ”
you meant ““ …he didn’t gasp for air and any med student knows that someone who tells you they can’t breathe, can, but you are right “I DO believe he was killed ” however not via strangulation. –

“Do you get it now?”
Yes! thanks

That said
” I know that pressure on the neck cuts off bloodflow to brain and I assumed that that was why he passed out”

Breathing isnt a yes/no situation. when people are having a cOPD exacerbation they often say “I cant breathe” it is obviously silly tio say “yes you can youre talking” Now that is true, they are still breathingm, but with difficulty and not getting enough O2 nor expelling CO2 . when you check their O2 levels they are dwon. yes they are breathing but not very well. One autopsy report said “asphyxiation from sustained pressure” I ( the other didnt) I don’t know which is correct but a. It is POSSIBLE that he died via asphyxiation although at some point he said “I cant breathe” menaing he was breathing at the time
B. The exact method of how he died wasnt my point.

Millhouse
“The charging documents show that there is very little chance of convicting him”

Then the looters are right. If we live in that unjust a society. Forget rule of law. Les din veles dayan. If a person can be videoed murdering someone and people watch and say meh. why not riot? what hope is there for all those who face police without cameras present where we are forced to acc accept the cop’s word over a video tape that we all see.