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  • #1866442
    Doing my best
    Participant

    How is it possible that many yidden have almost no sympathetic feelings to George Floyd?
    How did the video of George Floyd’s death not bother you?
    It was very clearly a cop straight up murdering someone lying on the floor handcuffed. The fact that it took hours for the officer to be charged shows that there is something wrong. And amazingly his colleagues haven’t yet been charged for assisting him or something, why doesn’t it bother you as a human being that a murderer/s are going to get away very leniently after murdering a man on the street?
    Floyd didn’t commit a violent crime, he simply Payed a cashier with a forged dollar bill, we don’t even know if he knew it was forged!
    I’m not talking about anti-looters, I’m talking about those who don’t even feel a shred of sympathy for Floyd.
    The vibes I’m getting from a small portion of yidden are extremely disturbing.

    #1866521

    How is it possible that many yidden have almost no sympathetic feelings to George Floyd? Where are you getting your information from. Is it because we are not rioting and looting? we are not in the streets yelling no justice no peace? While I feel bad that his life ended in a way that I do not find justifiable noting that I do now will not bring him back to life.

    How did the video of George Floyd’s death not bother you? how do you know it doesnt bother me?

    The vibes I’m getting from a small portion of yidden are extremely disturbing. Hence your assumptions are invalid to the fact that you are admitting it is based on a “small portion of yidden”.

    #1866535
    interjection
    Participant

    Say what?

    I dont know a single person who isn’t horrified by what happened to Floyd.

    People can be upset and afraid to see the country descend into chaos and also be upset by how he was treated

    #1866537
    mra01385
    Participant

    Yes! I care very much and feel very bad that a police man who supposed to help people killed George Floyd. I am very angry that a police officer thinks he can use his authority power to do whatever he wants and couldn’t careless if he killed someone or not. The video shows the police officer killed him on purpose as he held his knee on George for a very long time even after the guy said he repeatedly that he couldn’t breath and bystanders were telling him to remove his knee as well but didn’t listen to anyone or even care about what they were saying. The same kind of thing happened a few years ago to Eric Garner in Staten Island when a police man put him in a choke hold even when the guy said he couldn’t breath. No police man should ever become so violent with peoeople unless the person is clearly violent and it doesn’t look like George did anything violent.

    #1866541
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    Doing my best,

    I think what happened to him was a horrible thing

    However (to play devils advocate and to probably upset you)

    When Jews were beaten up (by African Americans btw) the sympathetic ones were few and far between and said we most said we deserve it

    A person doesn’t sympathise with someone else to whom he feels different than (which is why we say ואהבת לרעך כמוך)

    #1866544
    Joseph
    Participant

    Floyd was an ex-con who resisted arrest. Once he resisted arrest he bore responsibility for what subsequently occurred to him by the police.

    That said, it seems at first glance that the officer who pinned him down acted excessively. If so, that officer also bears some responsibility. Nevertheless, the officer had both the right and obligation to subdue Floyd, who was wrongly resisting.

    So the question becomes how to break down responsibility for the terribly unfortunate result between Floyd and the officer holding him.

    The other three officers bear absolutely no responsibility for what occurred. One of them, in fact, asked the officer pinning him to ease up. None of the three others ranked above the officer holding Floyd that they could have ordered him to let up.

    #1866545
    Health
    Participant

    DMB – He was a criminal. See my post in Civil D.
    How come you have No sympathy for the Cop. A video doesn’t Show the whole Story!
    Come back after you read My Comments there.

    #1866605
    Someone in Monsey
    Participant

    Joseph, you’re correct that Floyd had a criminal past, was arrested for criminal behavior and, it seems, resisted his detainment. However, he was restrained by handcuffs and under the guard of 4 officers. While police have a need to subdue criminals and defend themselves, they also have a resonsibility to maintain a basic level of humanity, which includes prisoners not dying while under their power. Although an initial autopsy has seemed to indicate that Floyd didn’t die of asphysixiation, it seems improbable that his treatment by police didn’t contribute to his demise. That’s the issue – if the police had a hand in his death, to whatever degree, they are thusly responsible.

    #1866607

    Joseph: Please define “resisting arrrest”. The videos seem to make that claim unbelievable.

    #1866623
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Doing,
    Agreed. When one becomes mechanical, they do not instinctively sympathize.

    #1866625
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Joseph,
    That is true in war and rank in the Army. Civilians are given presumptive innocence. Floyd forfeited no rights by resisting. I give up taking it apart. Your comment is way off.

    #1866627
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Health,
    Whoever he was, doesn’t detract from his being murdered. (If a liberal would have attempted abortion on him, we would have heard it from you!) You seem to be quite a detective. You inferred even what drug he was on, though the bystanders thought he was in peril from the officer. Witnesses? Eh. Narrative is by far the most important indicator of fact. This will become like Freddie Gray. People from all over the country will state that it was obvious the police were not fully at fault, while the police themselves make no such claim. In the end there will be hundreds of versions. Zero sense. And the truth will still be in plain sight.

    #1866631
    ubiquitin
    Participant

    Lower

    “How did the video of George Floyd’s death not bother you? how do you know it doesnt bother me?”

    not you, but look at some of the horrifying answers above.
    Those posters are not alone. Vast swaths of people agree with them, hence the riots There are many many people who just dont care (some even say the quiet part out loud )

    One poster even wants sympathy for a murderer! A guy who was caught on tape snuffing out the life of another human. Oy think about the cop’s poor knee It must’ve been bruised having been held there for 8 minutes

    #1866638
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    Ubiq- you made that up. Drama is fun but it is wrong to claim that posters unwilling to make floyd guilt free are not sympathetic, are supporting brutality or are “siding” with the policeman. Some of us just get sick of people pretending a snapshot paints a whole picture. We have to stop confusing victim with faultless. And indicating fault is NOT exonerating the other guy. Be real, be honest. The cop was 100% wrong, and floyd would be alive today if he didn’t resist arrest. Are you gonna deny that? Are you afraid that would make you “on the side” of the cop? No, it’s valled being honest and putting responsibility everywhere it belongs.

    #1866643
    The little I know
    Participant

    Unless one refuses to subscribe to morality, the actions leading to the death of George Floyd were the wrong solution to the problem of his being uncooperative. Yes, there should be charges filed against all those involved. I see some commenters above have convicted all of them, while others exonerate them. I say, let this go to trial, and let the court system deal with that. The angry Antifa and others have zero right to victimize anyone else.

    The riots may emanate from rage. But the victims of this are innocent. The police in other cities have nothing to do with the death, and burning their vehicles is an unacceptable crime.

    All that is really happening here is that the animals have somehow gotten out of their cage. No amount of reasoning, not from the President, not the governors, not even the victim’s family will impress them. These chayos simply declare anyone else open season for them to do what they want. Rioting and looting are acts of terror. I am shocked that the politicians are still dancing around this as if there is legitimacy to it. Police need to show up in full riot gear, and anyone that loots is target practice for deadly weapons. That may stop them.

    #1866648
    chash
    Participant

    Probably most people who dont care didnt see the video.
    @joseph
    Did you see the video? there was no excuse for that. No matter the fancy linguistic acrobatics that anyone will attempt. Unless theres a HUGE missing piece here, that was murder

    #1866645
    NyBochur
    Participant

    I’m just wondering where we see in the video that it’s Definitely an act of racism and not police recklessness. Their was a case in California a few weeks ago involving a white cop and white guy and nobody cared. Again I’m not saying it wasn’t racism but before the world jumps to conclusion and burns down a bunch of stores over “racist America” shouldn’t we investigate into the matter if it was a racial act or police recklessness?

    #1866646
    Just Another Yid
    Participant

    I would just point out, as a condemnation to the rioters, that they have a very popular phrase: Black Lives matter. The phrase is not ‘all lives matter’, and I saw approximately Zero multi-national companies condemning the shooter in the NJ supermarket, or the stabbing on Purim, or even the 1000 monthly terrorist attacks in Israel. In fact, there weren’t even any riots at all after these terrible acts. Why are Black lives more important than Jewish lives, or Asian lives, or any other? All we got after the crown heights atrocities was a procrastinating government. If the world cared about Lives besides victimized people who want attention, they would do the same for all races and ethnicites. Not just ‘blacks’, or whatever you want to call them.

    Just my opinion

    #1866651
    Doing my best
    Participant

    Interjection,
    People like Joseph and health. (Although I hope they are just trolling)

    Joseph health & co,
    Interestingly enough, there are no videos of Floyd resisting arrest, just a bunch of videos of him not resisting arrest.
    Anyway, I’m glad to hear that if someone pushes an officer he now deserves to be choked to death. Does that also mean that if he wasn’t resisting the protesters are right for stealing from private business owners?
    You people have a real sense of justice. I’m just happy you people aren’t police officers in my city.

    #1866666
    ubiquitin
    Participant

    syag

    “you made that up”
    I made what up?

    “but it is wrong to claim that posters unwilling to make floyd guilt free are not sympathetic”
    I’m not sure If that was directed to me, I did no such thing .

    Are you sure you meant to direct your comment to me?
    mine is the one next to ubiquitin

    “or are “siding” with the policeman”
    here is a verbatim quote from a poster in this thread “How come you have No sympathy for the Cop.”

    Yes I know its hard to believe, but sadly its true

    “and floyd would be alive today if he didn’t resist arrest. Are you gonna deny that?”

    A. I’m not so sure. That cop pretty much deliberately murdered him. He held his knee there as Floyd gasped for air said he cant breathe, as even a partner asked him to get off. In a case like Garner’s you can try to convince yourself but no, Floyd was not killed while resisting arrest. you either didnt see the video or are making things up At the point that he killed him he was no longer resisitng he was coughed and on the ground.
    I don’t even understand where you are coming from. Say he was in his cell and Chauvin walked into the cell saying “hey remember how you gave us a hard time earlier” and shoots him dead, would Floydd also be to blame?
    B. and even if that were true (that had he not resisted he’d be alive) , so what? resisting arrest doesnt deserve death.
    Using your logic if not for the cop killing many stores wouldn’t have been burnt down so is Derek Chauvin (or George Floyd partly to claim for ll the looting?

    #1866670
    ubiquitin
    Participant

    Also Syag you do this a lot you read comments ut of context.

    THe question was “How is it possible that many yidden have almost no sympathetic feelings to George Floyd?”

    So when a poster replies “Floyd was an ex-con who resisted arrest….”
    He is answering the question. Ie he is saying why he has “almost no sympathetic feelings to George floyd”

    So when you say “wrong to claim that posters unwilling to make floyd guilt free are not sympathetic,” you are mistaken. That is LITERALLY what they are answering they are explaining why (to quote the OP) “have almost no sympathetic feelings to George Floyd” BECAUSE “Floyd was an ex-con who resisted arrest…” or BECASUE “He was a criminal.”

    you may have sympathy for both ” putting responsibility everywhere it belongs.” but that is NOT what other posters said. don;t put words in their mouths .

    #1866686
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    Ubiq- according to your post, the op is not what you were responding to.
    Also, he didn’t gasp for air, and any med student knows that someone who tells you they can’t breathe, can. And before you tell me that that statement proves without a doubt that i just said the cop is innocent, or some other inane non existent inference, i didn’t.

    As far as the rest of your post, nevermind. Without a keyboard it’s not worth my time. And you respond to every comment with a way-out-there extreme response making it almost impossible to have a functional conversation. I’ll give you one example which unfortunately may then become fodder but …
    “and even if that were true (that had he not resisted he’d be alive) , so what? resisting arrest doesnt deserve death.
    Using your logic if not for the cop killing many stores wouldn’t have been burnt down so is Derek Chauvin (or George Floyd partly to claim for ll the looting?’
    That’s not my logic, and you are too intelligent to think it is. But you do that about as often as you think i take things out of context.

    #1866696
    ubiquitin
    Participant

    “Ubiq- according to your post, the op is not what you were responding to.”

    i’m sorry I’m not sure what you mean

    The OP asked a question “How is it possible that many yidden have almost no sympathetic feelings to George Floyd?…”

    Several posters replied to that question.

    I replied to Lower, ypou replied to me.

    “Also, he didn’t gasp for air, and any med student knows that someone who tells you they can’t breathe, can…”
    until they can’t. If a person is, say choking and gasping for ear saying “help I’m choking” You wouldnt say (I hope) No youre not choikng as “any med student knows ” And you certainly wouldn’t constrict his airway further. Yes He still has an open airway , but for how much longer? And even with a constricted airway even if enough O2 is getting in not enough CO2 is expelled which is harmful too (and potentially fatal in of itself)

    And Once Floyd stopped gasping for air did Chauvin let up?
    No , he kept his knee there longer, so even in your mistaken assumption that it is safe to constrict a person’s airway as long as he is still gasping for air, Certainly once he stopped he should have let up .

    #1866699
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    Ubiquitin
    “so even in your mistaken assumption that it is safe to constrict a person’s airway as long as he is still gasping for air,”

    Without a single extra word or letter, please quote my words where i said that.

    #1866703
    Pekak
    Participant

    Was it cruel? YES!

    Should it have happened? NO!

    Should the involved officers be punished? YES!

    Do I feel sympathy for the criminal? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

    #1866717
    Amil Zola
    Participant

    I’ve no sympathy nor empathy for the criminal police, the one who did the crime and those who just watched without objection.

    Edited

    #1866721
    ubiquitin
    Participant

    Syag

    “Without a single extra word or letter, please quote my words where i said that.”

    sure here it is.
    “and any med student knows that someone who tells you they can’t breathe, can. ”

    Breathing is not a yes or no positive or negative. Of course someone who says “I cant breathe” is still breathing, but he is probably having a hard time doing it. And as it gets harder those breaths become less effective until he stops. Please remind any med student that tells you “any med student knows that someone who tells you they can’t breathe, can” that while that may be true at the moment, it probably won’t be true shortly thereafter,. they should get ready to intervene or call for help.
    OR of course, remove their knee from the victim’s throat.

    If I in any way misunderstood your post please explain what you meant. Are you not talking about Floyd. Is it just some generic factoid about breathing. (in that case while technically true, I’d still caution you about relying on it too much)

    My sincerest apologies if I in any way misunderstood what you meant .
    I said “He held his knee there as Floyd gasped for air said he cant breathe, as even a partner asked him to get off.”
    To which you said “he didn’t gasp for air, and any med student knows that someone who tells you they can’t breathe, can” which I dont know how to understand in any other way.

    #1866723
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    Ubiquitin
    Let’s try again. You accused me of saying this:

    “so even in your mistaken assumption that it is safe to constrict a person’s airway as long as he is still gasping for air,”

    Without a single extra word or letter, please quote my words where i said that.

    #1866725
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    With an emphasis on the part where I specifically stated it was “safe to constrict an airway”.

    #1866729
    ubiquitin
    Participant

    Pekak

    “Do I feel sympathy for the criminal? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?”

    Just so that I have your position straight. Say a person was convicted of bank fraud (and he agrees he did it), and was sentenced to a completely unjust lengthy prison sentence. Would you not feel sympathy for his unjust sentence?

    you know what bugs me most about this conversation.

    A refrain I’ve been hearing and had accepted is that the looters ruined a chance for change. Finally the cop was on tape clearly guilty, all condemned the killing including the President all the right wing pundits, police nationwide. Maybe there was chance for change. We all saw police brutality first hand. Then it was squandered evil looters hijacked the narrative destroying any chance for meaningful change .

    I see that was not true. there are people who saw the video and justify the cop’s action. who see “both sides”

    #1866733
    ubiquitin
    Participant

    If “Its safe” was an exaggeration or misunderstanding I’m genuinely sorry.

    If you viewed the cop’s actions (holding a knee to his neck while he said “I cant breathe”) as dangerous I’m a bit puzzled what you meant to add with “Also, he didn’t gasp for air, and any med student knows that someone who tells you they can’t breathe, can.”

    I think you are again same mistake ALWAYS in context. It is impossible to explain a sentence “Without a single extra word or letter,”
    It was said in context the context was:

    Ubiquitin: “That cop pretty much deliberately murdered him. He held his knee there as Floyd gasped for air said he cant breathe, as even a partner asked him to get off. ”
    Syag: ““ …he didn’t gasp for air and any med student knows that someone who tells you they can’t breathe, can. ””

    You were (seemingly) disagreeing with what I said. I had said the cop is guilty of murder for constricting his airway in spite of him saying I cant breathe. To which you said “No Floyd was breathing fine” (not a verbatim quote but I don’t understand how else to interpret your sentence )

    If that isnt what you meant, I’m sorry but I have no idea what you were trying to say. Were you replying to something else? were you not referring to Floyd?

    again of course I believe you and if you didnt mean it the way I understood it (or if I exaggerated) I was compleity wrong and completely apologize.

    what did you mean? can you elaborate please.
    I don’t want to put words in your mouth.
    If I misunderstood that is on me. Feel free to correct the record

    #1866739
    unommin
    Participant

    The cops were arrested and one has already been charged.

    Everything else that is happening is inexcusable. Once a “peaceful protest” turned into looting, and the organizers started having more “peaceful protests” on other nights, they are to BLAME for what is happening. And the media is stoking the flames.

    Why are so many democrats protecting the LOOTERS? Why ??

    #1866783
    Health
    Participant

    Unommin – Because the Demoncrats don’t believe in freedom! They are truly the Facists!

    #1866814
    ubiquitin
    Participant

    Syag

    2 more points

    “Without a single extra word or letter, please quote my words where i said that.”

    As mentioned, understanding is always in context.
    In your first post you said “it is wrong to claim that posters unwilling to make floyd guilt free are not sympathetic, are supporting brutality or are “siding” with the policeman.” Can you “Without a single extra word or letter, please quote my words where i said that.”?
    Of course you can’t, as I didn’t. You misunderstood my post because you read it out of context. At no point did I say what you attributed t me, and you cannot “Without a single extra word or letter, please quote my words where i said that.”
    I may have misunderstood your quote becasue I read it in context.

    Again, its ok that you didn’t realize I was assuming the posters I referenced were replying to the OP’s question. I get how you made your mistake, my point is that To interpret a comment, you often need to add context.

    If I ask “Syag Are you hungry” And you reply “Yes”
    It is fair to say “sYag said she was hungry”

    Can I show “Without a single extra word or letter, please quote my words where” you said you were hungry? No I have to provide context. Sure it is possible that you were excited to Listen to a Moshe Yess album that you dug up and just announced his name and I misunderstood, so clarify. ” Oh I wasnt replying to your question about hunger, I was referring to the musician”

    In whcih case I’d say “sorry I misunderstood”

    Point being “Without a single extra word or letter, please quote my words where i said that.” Is not a reasonable request.

    what did you mean when you said ““Also, he didn’t gasp for air, and any med student knows that someone who tells you they can’t breathe, can…””

    And therefore what….?

    #1866847
    CallMeDave
    Participant

    Not sure how to spread it between Yiden but I think that people that could move their merchandise to a safe place should do so. At this rate they very well might end up in Jewish neighborhoods. A stitch in time saves nine. Maybe everyone can pass on to their contacts

    #1866849
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    “Point being “Without a single extra word or letter, please quote my words where i said that.” Is not a reasonable request.”

    I was trying to isolate one instance of what i call ‘distortion of my words’ so that I could clarify it as a starting point

    #1866878
    Milhouse
    Participant

    Meanwhile n0Mesorah shows his true face again as a lying liar who lies for the sheer joy of lying (or possibly because he’s paid to lie by one of George Soros’s “charities”, as so many hundreds or thousands are).

    This will become like Freddie Gray. People from all over the country will state that it was obvious the police were not fully at fault, while the police themselves make no such claim.

    The police certainly did say so, AND PROVED IT. The police did absolutely nothing wrong in Freddie Gray’s arrest, and his death was entirely his own fault. A malicious prosecutor tried to frame them and fabricate a case against them, but couldn’t do it. And now only an idiot will take a job in that police department, knowing that at any moment he too could be victimized by his bosses.

    #1866883
    ubiquitin
    Participant

    “I was trying to isolate one instance of what i call ‘distortion of my words’ so that I could clarify it as a starting point”

    and I replied how I understood you that way. But you didn’t accept that because I added an “extra word”

    If I misunderstood, again I’m sorry.

    Though I’m hoping you can find it in you to explain what you meant.

    Here is the context:
    Ubiquitin: “That cop pretty much deliberately murdered him. He held his knee there as Floyd gasped for air said he cant breathe, as even a partner asked him to get off. ”
    Syag: ““ …he didn’t gasp for air and any med student knows that someone who tells you they can’t breathe, can. ””

    and therefore what? … what did you mean by that sentence? could you please spell it out It seems I misunderstood your intent.

    #1866874
    Milhouse
    Participant

    Coming late to this conversation, everyone who is accusing the cop of outright murder, “snuffing out a human life” is outright lying. FLOYD DID NOT DIE OF ASPHYXIATION. HE WAS NOT CHOKED TO DEATH. The knee on his neck was a STANDARD, APPROVED method of restraining him, and did not block his airway.

    And he had to be restrained because he had resisted being put in the police car, and the cops suspected he was in excited delirium, for which the protocol is that he must be restrained until the medics can get there and inject him with sedatives.

    The cops discussed what method of restraining him would be best, and one suggested changing position, but Chauvin figured there was no reason to do so, the position he had him in was good enough. Maybe that was a mistake, but there are no grounds for considering it malicious or a crime.

    The charging documents show that there is very little chance of convicting him. He has been charged for political reasons only, in a vain attempt to appease the mob. And he has been robbed of HIS right to the presumption of innocence, now that he is the accused.

    Finally, the riots we are seeing now are the best proof, absolute proof, of how much we owe to the cops. Without them EVERY DAY would be like this. We would live our whole lives as slaves to the criminals who would be free to do to us whatever they like without any fear of punishment. And so we owe the police a huge debt of gratitude, and that includes giving them a presumption of being right in any dispute they have with known criminals. Whenever they say something and the criminals say the opposite we should presume they are telling the truth unless we have clear proof otherwise. So their word that he resisted them should be enough for us.

    #1866893
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    ubiq- I think I have mentioned this in the past, that when a conversation I am having turns into 10% exchange of ideas and 90% arguing about what the other person was trying to say, I usually just bow out. The more I contribute the further it strays from value.

    Based on that:
    1. I was assuming that not responding would be most productive
    2. I am not sure how to clarify anything I am trying to say because my clarifications just bring more confusion

    Having said that, you have asked me several times about the gasping comment so I will try to clarify in the next post.

    #1866912
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    “Here is the context:
    Ubiquitin: “That cop pretty much deliberately murdered him. He held his knee there as Floyd gasped for air said he cant breathe, as even a partner asked him to get off. ”
    Syag: ““ …he didn’t gasp for air and any med student knows that someone who tells you they can’t breathe, can. ””

    (context for what I am about to say- I DO believe he was killed – but it did not look like he was being strangled. I know that pressure on the neck cuts off bloodflow to brain and I assumed that that was why he passed out. Combined with pressure on chest making it hard to breathe as with Mr. Stark Hy”d.)

    In the video he has his knee on his neck. I was surprised that he was NOT gasping for air. I am not denying he was being killed, I am not defending the officer. I am saying that in the video he is NOT gasping for air. So my point was that you can’t say that that indicator was present. Next comment I made, and I should have used a period here and not a comma. My fault completely, was that you also can’t use him saying he can’t breather AS AN INDICATOR that he couldn’t breathe. He WAS being killed, but the INDICATORS YOU bring are not present (and are often used to cry wolf) and that is the ONLY thing I meant in those words.

    Disclaimer -Do I know that he was dying? no. Do people sometimes say they can’t breathe even if they could? yes. Was the officer wrong for not reassessing YES! 100%

    Do you get it now? I couldn’t be as clear as I wanted because I have to keep inserting disclaimers, and if I elaborate any more the whole clarification will get lost. I am NOT discussing motives, I am commenting on the words YOU, a physician, used as INDICATORS that strangulation was obvious. period.

    Above is just to clarify the beginning of my comments to you, that one starting/sticking point, not the whole context of the conversation or issue at hand. If I have not been able to make my point A clear, than I think we need to call it a draw.

    #1866913
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Milhouse,
    Thanks again for the support. Please point me to any statement of the Baltimore Police Department supporting the officers? I can’t find any on Google. Maybe George Soros paid for it not to show up.

    #1866923
    Milhouse
    Participant

    n0m, as you very well know the police DEPARTMENT was controlled by the criminal mayor (who ended up in prison) and betrayed its officers. The police themselves said they were innocent AND PROVED IT. You know this all, of course. Everyone knows it. You couldn’t miss it. The trial outcomes were so clear, the police had such a complete vindication, that the evil prosecutor eventually gave up and dropped all the remaining charges, because she saw that each trial was going to be another utter humiliation for her and for the city. If Soros yimach shemo is not paying you to lie like this then he is getting a bargain.

    #1866925
    Milhouse
    Participant

    Floyd said he couldn’t breathe BEFORE he was restrained. Therefore the restraint could not have been the cause. We now know he had a serious heart condition, was extremely drunk, was on fentanyl, and possibly also meth. And that he died of a heart attack. The restraint may have been a factor in that, but ANY restraint would have had the same result. The fact that Chauvin chose this method, which is standard and approved by the Minneapolis Police Department, was not a factor. And the protocol for excited delirium, which the cops’ conversation shows they thought was happening, is that the patient must be restrained even when he is not struggling, because he can start again at any moment.

    #1866933
    Health
    Participant

    Milhouse -“FLOYD DID NOT DIE OF ASPHYXIATION. HE WAS NOT CHOKED TO DEATH. The knee on his neck was a STANDARD, APPROVED method of restraining him, and did not block his airway.”

    Thank you for being a SANE Voice on this Topic!

    #1866954
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    Milhouse- i saw all those things tossed out thru media but haven’t heard any of it corroborated. Are you sure it’s true?

    #1866953
    Health
    Participant

    Doing my best -“It was very clearly a cop straight up murdering someone lying on the floor handcuffed”

    Is it Murder when s/o comes into your house without any weapons and You kill him?
    I’m Not talking about American Law, but Torah law.

    #1866960
    Doing my best
    Participant

    Milhouse,
    First off, you didn’t watch the video, that much is obvious. Or you just skipped the beginning, middle and end.

    You wrote:
    “FLOYD DID NOT DIE OF ASPHYXIATION. HE WAS NOT CHOKED TO DEATH. The knee on his neck was a STANDARD, APPROVED method of restraining him, and did not block his airway.”
    This is laughable. The medical examiner felt that he did. (Yes, I know you think that he lied for politics, but I wrote this point for others) the video shows that he did.(photoshopped?)

    And he had to be restrained because he was in a delirium? I don’t think that was said even in the police’s original story, where on earth did you get that from?
    And they never discussed how to restrain him, that’s simply a mistruth. (It’s not pc to call someone a liar.)

    You’re right that Chauvin was only arrested to appease the mob, but that only shows the systematic attempts to cover up police brutality, and then you wonder why blacks are upset?

    And then you explain that we desperately need the police because of looters. That’s true, (I don’t know why someone like you doesn’t think that all we need is the second amendment, but I assume you’ll start saying that closer to November) but it also doesn’t mean that police brutality is a good thing.

    I’m willing to bet that if Floyd was a Frum yid, and the same exact story happened, you’d be singing a very different tune. You apparently have some sort of bias against certain kinds of people. (I’m not calling you a racist ch”v, you can take it however you want 🙂 )

    Health,
    Depends on the situation, if you have reason to believe he will harm you then no, if you warn him first then also not. If he is laying on the ground with his hands tied behind his back, then definitely.
    I’m not sure What this has to do with anything. Please elaborate.

    #1866964
    ubiquitin
    Participant

    Syag

    ” I usually just bow out”

    Thats fine. It is a free country.

    You asked where ““Point being “Without a single extra word or letter, please quote my words where i said that.” Is not a reasonable request.”” I replied. Its a bit funny to now say “I was assuming that not responding would be most productive” but you certainly can.

    ” I DO believe he was killed – but it did not look like he was being strangled.”

    THAK YOU!
    I was wrong
    you did not say “that it is safe to constrict a person’s airway as long as he is still gasping for air,”” And I was wrong in misinterpreting .

    You were arguing on a technicality
    I said “That cop pretty much deliberately murdered him. He held his knee there as Floyd gasped for air said he cant breathe, as even a partner asked him to get off. ”
    you meant ““ …he didn’t gasp for air and any med student knows that someone who tells you they can’t breathe, can, but you are right “I DO believe he was killed ” however not via strangulation. –

    “Do you get it now?”
    Yes! thanks

    That said
    ” I know that pressure on the neck cuts off bloodflow to brain and I assumed that that was why he passed out”

    Breathing isnt a yes/no situation. when people are having a cOPD exacerbation they often say “I cant breathe” it is obviously silly tio say “yes you can youre talking” Now that is true, they are still breathingm, but with difficulty and not getting enough O2 nor expelling CO2 . when you check their O2 levels they are dwon. yes they are breathing but not very well. One autopsy report said “asphyxiation from sustained pressure” I ( the other didnt) I don’t know which is correct but a. It is POSSIBLE that he died via asphyxiation although at some point he said “I cant breathe” menaing he was breathing at the time
    B. The exact method of how he died wasnt my point.

    Millhouse
    “The charging documents show that there is very little chance of convicting him”

    Then the looters are right. If we live in that unjust a society. Forget rule of law. Les din veles dayan. If a person can be videoed murdering someone and people watch and say meh. why not riot? what hope is there for all those who face police without cameras present where we are forced to acc accept the cop’s word over a video tape that we all see.

    #1866965
    Doing my best
    Participant

    Additionally, what did Floyd die from? Coincidental cardiac arrest? Interesting…

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