girls chesed car rides

You don’t.

You keep giving her rides because you shouldn’t be alone in your car with the guy who is OTD and has a tattoo, even though he tells you he wants to learn full time.

If he has such a precious neshama, how was it that he convinced you to be oiver on an aveirah around 2 weeks ago?

marrying a good boy who might not be good enough for you

btw, of course he has a precious neshama – everyone does, and it’s beautiful that you can see that. But the issue isn’t his neshama; it’s what he is l’maaseh right now. And based on your previous comments, he’s not in a great state right now.

The one in the link.

When did the CR turn into a soap opera?

We’re trying our best to contain it to only one network  channel thread

Rebshidduch, here, I cut and pasted to make it easier for you to remember what you wrote:

First off he somehow convinces me to put not Jewish music on. Then he has the nerve and chutzpah to ask me to hang out with him.

You also wrote this:

What do you mean not dating yet? We never went out together b’h otherwise the situation would be much worse than what it is now. I do not want a guy like him.

Ok then, back to the original topic.

Why don’t you want to give her rides?

So just say that lately you’ve been really busy, and as much as you enjoy her company, it’s getting difficult to drive so far out of the way for her.

It would probably be a nice thing to help her find another ride as well.

I see. So it’s not because she’s out of the way.

I understand that, and I agree.

My point was that if you want advice from people, you need to give them the facts.

Anyway, tell her you’ve contracted a disease which is highly contagious but only to other females and only within confined spaces.

That one usually works for me.

Rebshidduch – If you aren’t trolling everyone (and honestly, it’s hard to tell), please consider the following. And I say this as someone who almost never comments on threads like this.

If you don’t want to give someone a ride, say I’m sorry, I can’t do this anymore, and don’t editorialize. move on.

If you are still intent on helping the guy with rides and consequently hanging out,

1. Although you are in your twenties, your posts here do not reflect the maturity of someone in that age bracket. If these posts are a true reflection, and you intend to find your bashert and marry, your comments on that and even on how to tell someone something they might react negatively to demonstrate that you are simply not ready. Hold on to your dreams, and have some self control, and revisit this when you have some more life experience or good advice.

2. If you are seeking the blessing of several anonymous people here, most of whom have a yeshivish perspective, to give a false rationale for stopping a chesed or for dating someone who doesn’t meet yeshivish standards, and who wasn’t introduced in a yeshivish way, forget it, you will not ever get their approval, move on.

3. If you are intent on dating him anyway, perhaps in the hope of molding him into the man you want to marry, know that you will never, ever, ever, change him. He is the only person who can do that, no matter how strong willed and pure you think you are (and may be). It is a recipe for disaster. I speak from experience. Move on.

4. Please do your self a favour. take a deep breath. stop and think. Read, ask advice from non anonymous people, from people who aren’t contemporaries of yours with vested interests and a similar lack of life experience. Maybe a Rabbi or rebbitzen, maybe a therapist, but not necessarily so. A parent, an older sibling, a family friend, a former teacher. Advice is good, when YOU ask for it, and when YOU internalize it. Keep in mind that the decisions you make about how to deal with people, whether it is being honest with them when it is difficult, or about shidduchim and dating and marriage now have lifetime implications for how you will deal with every person, every challenge, every crisis.

Mods I hope that you will post this in full. Much of what I am writing applies not only to the dating situation but to the common sense and maturity that could help Rebshidduch with her decision making in all things, including who she gives a ride to.

Rebshidduch – your original posts on this topic were about how you were concerned that you would end up dating this guy and you wanted chizuk to not do so. So don’t criticize the people who are trying to do just that.

In terms of this girl, it would be incredibly rude for you to stop giving her rides. It is also highly inconsistent with the fact that you have posted about how doing chesed is so important to you and that is why you were giving this guy rides even though you were concerned that you might end up dating him. This is your opportunity to do a true chesed – helping someone else out even when there is no personal gain and when there is in fact, an inconvenience. If you are truly a baalas chesed, you will continue to give her rides. And when people call me as a reference for you for shiddduchim, I will be sure to let them know what a baalas chesed you are, b”n!

On the small chance that the following advice will be noticed:

Rebshidduch, you have been telling us that you are ready to build a bayis neeman with this guy (the one you only recently described as being someone you would never date), but also that you have not actually started dating.

so 1. how do you know that he is really for you and that he makes you happy, etc when you have not dated him for tachlis of getting married?
2. how do you know that he even wants to get married and if so, marry you, if you have not even dated?
3. Are your expectations grounded in reality, or wishful thinking because your first attempt at trying the standard shadchan way have not been successful?

I suspect that all the attention that he is giving you right now may fade away when you show that you are interested in him and want to date to get married.
Where will that leave you?

Stick with giving the girl the ride.

I think we should repost what yechusdik posted everytime rebshidduch posts…

So as long as you are also doing something wrong, it’s okay if he does? And if he does something wrong, it’s okay for you to?

“And if what you wrote is accurate, then he asked you to be friends and not to date towards marriage, which is a huge difference.”

THAT is a very good point. And if you ask him, he will probably lie.

Even if you do date him, which would be a terrible idea, you should still have a shadchan. Even when girls date guys that they happened to have met, they can (and should) still have a shadchan as a go-between.

Having a shadchan as a go-between for two people who have already met is like hiring an entire circus for your kid’s birthday party: They’re just going to get in the way, and you are all perfectly happy with just having cake and ice cream, anyway.