Tagged: Men's clothing
November 23, 2011 5:49 pm at 5:49 pm #600782coreytothecupMember
Is it ok for a frum bas torah to walk to into brooks brothers and buy a mens shirt for thereselves? is the problem the fact they cant dress like guys or the fact that its not menschalaclight??November 23, 2011 6:46 pm at 6:46 pm #834201skiaddictMember
Omg! Which girl in her right mind would want to dress like a man??? (except on purim-thats really cool actually, we did that in sem all the time!)November 23, 2011 7:01 pm at 7:01 pm #834202sam4321Participant
If it is for style ,or posing as a man I believe one cannot(Yorah De’ah 182) ,but there is a difference if one is cold or wears it for comfort(wife is cold husband gives her his jacket I believe this is fine).This is not psak this is just a quick overview.November 23, 2011 7:16 pm at 7:16 pm #834203real-briskerMember
Why would you buy a Brooks Brothers mens shirt if you can get a womens one?November 23, 2011 7:36 pm at 7:36 pm #834204A Heimishe MomParticipant
I have been told that Brooks Brothers sells women’s clothes. Some women also buy the Brachsoni chassidishe mens shirt (that button the “girls” way).November 23, 2011 7:46 pm at 7:46 pm #834205yitayningwutParticipant
Personally I am noteh to say that if it isn’t actually cross-dressing, i.e. it’s just a shirt, it’s not possible to say she is posing as a man (or vice versa) and therefore the issur does not apply. I haven’t seen anyone say this though.November 23, 2011 7:54 pm at 7:54 pm #834206aries2756Participant
I think that Brooks Brothers does sell some women’s items.November 23, 2011 8:02 pm at 8:02 pm #834207apushatayidParticipant
Corey Perry is not taking Anaheim to the cup anytime soon.November 23, 2011 8:13 pm at 8:13 pm #834208yungerman1Participant
See the following:
Brooks Brothers has a whole line of womens clothing.November 23, 2011 8:33 pm at 8:33 pm #834209coreytothecupMember
i know brooks btothers has there own womens line but so girls like the clor or feel of a mens button down shirt. Is there actualy a prob of wearing mens clothing if someone cant tell the diff??November 23, 2011 9:51 pm at 9:51 pm #834210real-briskerMember
What makes it mens clothing if you can’t tell the difference? The obvious answer is that there is a difference.November 23, 2011 11:10 pm at 11:10 pm #834211stamagoyMember
I have heard from a reliable source that it actually is a problem with the buttons because the buttons on boys and girls shirts are on the oppoaite side but GO ASK A RAV!BECAUSE I AM NOT ONE AND I DONT WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE
are you asking for a halachic asnwer or a opinion beacuase it seems to me that most people are offering thier opinions. This is BAD if the questioner wants a halachic answer because if he/she asks and you think that you know and answer when you dont really know and they act on your answer that would be your fault! Plz plz plz do NOT ask these questions here it is not the place have you seen anyones Smicha? doyou know if they are learned? go ask a Rav your Shailos.November 23, 2011 11:14 pm at 11:14 pm #834212Boro Park GirlMember
I was once running late and none of my shirts were ironed so I took one of my brothers shirts that had just come from the cleaners. I didn’t even think this might be a prob. Is it really bad?November 24, 2011 12:08 am at 12:08 am #834213sam4321Participant
Stamagoy: If someone relies on someones answer for psak it is on their own achrayis there are many disclaimers on this site which clearly say not to psaken from here. I do agree that this question should be asked to a rav because it is not so black and white.November 24, 2011 12:23 am at 12:23 am #834214
I wear the Ralph Lauren button down mens shirts because they are more tznius than the really fitted girls ones.November 24, 2011 12:29 am at 12:29 am #834215skiaddictMember
I dont understand – OF COURSE you can tell if the shirt youre wearing is mens or womens! Its cut differently and fits differently! Personally i would be totally embarrassed to be wearing a mens shirt!December 8, 2011 12:00 am at 12:00 am #834216Think firstMember
I think the only issur to wear a man/woman clothing is for the sake of mingling with the opposite gender.
Ask ur local orthodox Rabbi for a psakDecember 8, 2011 3:34 am at 3:34 am #834217OneOfManyParticipant
Totally with cinderella on this one…December 8, 2011 3:59 am at 3:59 am #834218RABBAIMParticipant
Lo Tilbash is an issur Dioraysa……….. don’t play games and don’t look for loopholes. Let’s show Hashem we care about His wordDecember 8, 2011 4:08 am at 4:08 am #834219
RABBAIM- you think it’s wrong to wear mens clothing for tznius purposes? (see my above post)December 8, 2011 4:28 am at 4:28 am #834220OneOfManyParticipant
RABBAIM: When I was in high school, this issue came up (in reference to a school play), and the psak the school got was not quite as black-and-white as you make it out to be.December 8, 2011 4:53 am at 4:53 am #834221dash™Participant
Let’s show Hashem we care about His word
Attempting to understand it properly is about as caring as you can get.December 8, 2011 6:54 am at 6:54 am #834222ronrsrMember
it costs less at the cleaners to have a men’s shirt cleaned.December 8, 2011 11:33 am at 11:33 am #834223old manParticipant
It is muttar.December 8, 2011 12:55 pm at 12:55 pm #834225Raphael KaufmanMember
The major difference between a man’s shirt and a woman’s man-tailored (not fitted) shirt is the direction from which it is buttoned. The question then is, what’s the difference between a woman’s man-tailored shirt and a chassidishe shirt. It seems to me that the chassidim are the ones who are over lo silbash.December 8, 2011 3:11 pm at 3:11 pm #834226zahavasdadParticipant
Old time Satmar men dont wear shirts with buttons, they use Draw String ShirtsDecember 8, 2011 3:26 pm at 3:26 pm #8342272scentsParticipant
I dont think that it has anything to do with Satmar. more like a Rebbishe thing.December 9, 2011 12:25 am at 12:25 am #834228
old man- what’s muttar? For me to wear mens shirts sometimes for tznius reasons?December 10, 2011 5:43 pm at 5:43 pm #834229old manParticipant
The prohibition is that of a man dressing up in order to look like a woman , or vice versa. The reasons are that they would use this tactic to purposely mingle for unkosher purposes (Bach et al.). Some say (Rambam sefer hamitzvos) that there are prohibited magical connotations to this cross-dressing. There are also other issues here, see Nazir 59a and Tur/SA YD 182.
Therefore, it is permissible to wear men’s clothing when it is clear that the purpose is benign. This includes (but is not limited to) such things as staying warm or cool, unisex articles of clothing, simple articles of clothing that are not jewelry, or when the purpose does not indicate a desire to appear like the other gender. It would be permitted to wear a man’s shirt for painting the house, or if one is “running late” and just grabbed something to wear. These are clearly benign actions.
When the purpose is davka to look like the other gender, but the intent is for fun or entertainment, the opinions are divided (see Sefer Yereim, Bach, Rama). This includes cross-dressing for “shtick” at weddings and on Purim, which was common as long ago as seven-eight hundred years.
Wearing a man’s shirt for tznius would certainly be permitted, although I think that one should be able to find tznius clothes designed for women. After all, proper women’s attire designed and manufactured for women is not a new phenomenon.
I find it implausable that button position and the like can be included in this prohibition, and one can safely ignore “the button thing”.December 11, 2011 12:49 am at 12:49 am #834230postsemgirlMember
before I went to sem I asked my LOR if I could wear pink and purple men’s button down shirts because I was having trouble finding tznius ones that were women’s. He said if it buttons the men’s way then no.
In high school this question came up about pajama pants and the Rov said that if they have hearts and flowers on them or if they are pink and girly then girls can wear men’s pants but otherwise no.
This is what I was told.December 11, 2011 2:58 pm at 2:58 pm #834231happiestMember
I’m curious what some would say about a women wearing mens undershirts- like the ribbed ones- that are called ‘wifebeaters’?
I wear them if I am wearing a white kiki riki (which is see through) so I can be more tznius. I like wearing them over just another regular shell underneath because these are very lightweight and are sleeveless so I don’t feel like I am wearing 2 shirts.
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