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January 14, 2013 6:18 pm at 6:18 pm #607798zahavasdadParticipant
In Miami the Satmar Rebbe was forced to remove his Bekasher at a TSA checkpoint
Do you think for further flights he should fly Private Jets
January 14, 2013 6:32 pm at 6:32 pm #920671gavra_at_workParticipantWho cares?
(I have a really good line about clothes making the man, but will hold back)
January 14, 2013 6:33 pm at 6:33 pm #920672KovodHabriyosMemberYes, the kovod yidden give to our rabbonim knows no limits.
Besides, I never saw you post complaints about all the CEO’s flying — actually owning — private jets. Why is your quarrel only against rabbonim?
You’re not being asked to donate. If they decide to do this (which I highly doubt — that was an unsourced sensationalist article that likely has little bearing to the truth) it will be paid for gvirim who volunteer to cover the cost specifically for this purpose. Don’t you defend rich folks rights to purchase mansions and Lexuses? So why are you so against a rich guy buying this for his Rov?
January 14, 2013 6:43 pm at 6:43 pm #920674rebdonielMemberGasut haRuach and Baal tashchit.
January 14, 2013 6:43 pm at 6:43 pm #920675Derech HaMelechMemberIn Miami the Satmar Rebbe was forced to remove his Bekasher at a TSA checkpoint
Do you think for the sake of kovod haTorah and for the sake of the kovod of a Godol b’Yisroel we should feel obligated to provide Private Jets
Fixed that for you.
January 14, 2013 6:53 pm at 6:53 pm #920677TheGoqParticipantI know Tim Tebow is out of a job but i hardly think he will need our tzedakah.
January 14, 2013 6:55 pm at 6:55 pm #920678truthsharerMemberOf course. It’s past nisht for a GRAND rebbe to fly commercial. Only baby-grands fly commercial. Obviously you’re an apikorus so you wouldn’t understand.
Did R’ Shlomo Zalman Auerback sit on an egged bus? No, he used personal jetpacks. Did R’ Moshe use cars? No, he used Starfleet site-to-site transporters. Do you expect the GRAND rebbe to do anything less than fly a private jet to Miami, IH”K?
January 14, 2013 6:57 pm at 6:57 pm #920679akupermaParticipantFor a large party, and he usually travels with a large party, a private or charter would probably be cost efficient.
January 14, 2013 7:05 pm at 7:05 pm #920680MDGParticipantIt’s up to them how they spend their money, but IMHO, it’s a waste of money.
January 14, 2013 7:24 pm at 7:24 pm #920681a maminParticipantZD: How much money have you ever given Satmer?
January 14, 2013 7:32 pm at 7:32 pm #920682popa_bar_abbaParticipantzdad: You are kind of delegitimizing your other posts by posting this.
January 14, 2013 7:34 pm at 7:34 pm #920683zahavasdadParticipantActually I am being asked to donate as Satmar come collecting to my Shul every morning during Shachris.
If a Rich folk wishes to drive a Lexus , its his money not donated money.
FYI Rav Shach used to ride the BUS everyday to the Yeshiva , an almost 2 hour ride
And BTW I am not for ANYONE flying a Private jet, let the fly cattle car like the rest of us. If its good enough for me, its good enough for Bill Gates
You are full of baloney. Satmar Mosdos have never ever collected in Shuls anywhere. Why would you blatantly lie like this?
January 14, 2013 7:47 pm at 7:47 pm #920684KovodHabriyosMemberGet Bill Gates to fly Economy first, then start worrying about a gvir deciding to fund the rabbonim for whatever the gvir wants to pay for rabbonim’s benefit.
January 14, 2013 7:48 pm at 7:48 pm #920685a maminParticipantZD: The point was made. IT IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS WHAT HE FLIES! You don’t have to contribute, and believe me they wouldn’t come to you for money. They don’t need your money or opinion for that matter.I couldn’t care less if he flies economy or business class.
January 14, 2013 8:01 pm at 8:01 pm #920686☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantZD,
Let me get this straight. Someone asked you to donate towards a fund to charter a private jet for the Satmar Rebbe?
January 14, 2013 8:04 pm at 8:04 pm #920687zahavasdadParticipantNobody asked me directly.
They dont really say who they are collecting for only that they are collecting and that they have some sort of approbation that is illegible
January 14, 2013 8:13 pm at 8:13 pm #920688☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantSo why do you assume that the money will be used for a private jet?
January 14, 2013 8:16 pm at 8:16 pm #920689gavra_at_workParticipantZD: How do you know they are Satmar? Maybe they are Slonim? You admit that the approbation is illegible.
Even if they are Satmar, maybe they are Aharonis?
As such, it is a Sfek Sfeka L’Heter. 🙂
January 14, 2013 8:18 pm at 8:18 pm #920690gavra_at_workParticipantNote that I appreciated this comment from the article:
shalom2010 says:
January 14, 2013 at 1:36 pm
January 14, 2013 8:23 pm at 8:23 pm #920691☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantNote that the article made no mention of a protest, only of an attempt to persuade. The fist sentence in the article mentioned anger, but didn’t say how that anger expressed itself, other than attempting to convince the TSA not to do the inspection.
January 14, 2013 8:27 pm at 8:27 pm #920692avhabenParticipantI don’t see any Satmar chasidim protesting the TSA or anyone. All I see is an article that makes some claims that it attributes to no one in particular.
January 14, 2013 8:45 pm at 8:45 pm #920693gavra_at_workParticipantYou both missed the point. Oh well, its not worth explaining the joke.
January 14, 2013 9:44 pm at 9:44 pm #920694akupermaParticipantgavra_at_work: Almost everyone in the country is mad at the TSA, so why should Satmar be any different? That they are annoying and rude is widely accepted. The only way to avoid them is to avoid commercial flights.
January 14, 2013 9:53 pm at 9:53 pm #920695☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantYes, GAW, I got that he’s using the Satmar shittah against them. I am too upset at the anti-Satmar hatred spewed on this site to be amused, though.
January 14, 2013 9:53 pm at 9:53 pm #920696avhabenParticipantgavra: I got the “joke”. The point is that it is misapplied and off.
January 15, 2013 1:28 am at 1:28 am #920698WIYMemberakuperma
“That they are annoying and rude is widely accepted. The only way to avoid them is to avoid commercial flights.”
Don’t you mean avoid Williamsburg?
January 15, 2013 1:41 am at 1:41 am #920699Ben LeviParticipantZD
I highly doubt that any Tzeddaka collector coming around after Shachris is collecting for the Fund to FLy the Satmer Rebbe.
As for your comment about Rav Shach.
You are quite mistaken, Rav Shach lived right near Yeshivas Ponovich and not a 2 hour bus ride from yeshiva, he usually walked the short distance.
BTW there is probably no 2 hour bus ride in the entire Bnei Brak!
January 15, 2013 3:35 am at 3:35 am #920700☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantMore anti Satmar hatred 🙁 . WIY, can’t you see how inappropriate your attitude is for somone who considers himself “ruchniyusdik”?
January 15, 2013 2:20 pm at 2:20 pm #920702zahavasdadParticipantMore anti Satmar hatred 🙁 . WIY, can’t you see how inappropriate your attitude is for somone who considers himself “ruchniyusdik”?
Burning Israeli Flags , Supporting Nuteri Karta (At least in the past even if they might not do it now) Calling other Jews Shaygetzes for example isnt exactly the best way to win friends and influence people.
The actual story about the 2 hour bus is as follows (There was more that actually wasnt important before, but maybe now it is), I saw it in a book from Hanoch Teller
Rav Shach would ride 2 hours each way by bus to the Yeshiva, Some of the Talmidim complained that it was undignified for a Gadol to ride 2 hours each way and that he should get a drivers license and then the ride would be alot faster.
I think it was Rav Shlomo Auberbach ruled against the drivers license and it was better for him to take the bus because on the Bus he could learn during the 2 hour ride, When he would drive he would have to concentrate on the road and even though the trip would be alot shorter
January 15, 2013 4:18 pm at 4:18 pm #920703gavra_at_workParticipantDY: I hear you, but disagree. In addition, I see the side of the “anti Satmar”, though not for the reasons ZD brings. In fact, call me anti YU for the same reason (although at least there they admit they made a mistake).
Between the two of them, Frum Yidden have (perhaps unfairly)gotten a bad rap over the past month.
January 15, 2013 6:18 pm at 6:18 pm #920706rtParticipantthe issue (removal of bekeshe) it would appear is the lack of kavod, could this in any way be a result of machlokes??
January 15, 2013 6:44 pm at 6:44 pm #920707mogoldParticipantZDAD
I’m just curious why when a few weeks ago, there was a story reported on YWN about a certain great rabbi who gave out fraudulent smicha certificate & you didn’t bother to post any comment…..
Yet here we have a silly story of the Satmar Rebbe being subjected to a pat down, & one of his gabboim asked that he be spared ( nowhere does it say that he yelled, pounded the on the table or the like….)& the story goes viral with dozens of posters….
And you want us to believe that there is no bias in the CR…
BTW the Satmar Rebbe Reb Zalmen Leib is one the classiest people I know, & I’m sure he didnt mind the pat down.
January 15, 2013 6:53 pm at 6:53 pm #920708zahavasdadParticipantI did not see any article about fraudlent Simcha, I am sure it was there, Fake Simcha is not a new thing. Hebrew Union gives it all the time, should I comment on that too that I think its fake.
I dont read every aricle nor do I read every thread
January 15, 2013 7:00 pm at 7:00 pm #920709a maminParticipantZD: Nor should you write in most threads!
January 15, 2013 7:00 pm at 7:00 pm #920710zahavasdadParticipantIf this is what you are talking about
Its wrong plain and simple and should be prosecued to the full extent of the law
January 15, 2013 7:43 pm at 7:43 pm #920713a mirrerParticipantZDAD
just btw the story never could of happened since r’ shach lived a minute away from his yeshiva
dont quote things from people unless you know its true bc its lh to say that he wrote an open lie
January 15, 2013 7:52 pm at 7:52 pm #920714mogoldParticipantZDAD
My point is regarding the bias that is blatantly obvious by certain posters, where they get all upset by minor wrongdoings by some people & ignore crimes by others…
Satmar Rebbe’s trying to have the TSA respect the Rebbe, generates dozens of scornful venomous posts…
Fraudulent smicha , which is a crime … ZERO posts…
January 15, 2013 7:53 pm at 7:53 pm #920715zahavasdadParticipantHanoch Teller is considered a reliable source, If He wrote it, Ill believe it
January 15, 2013 8:10 pm at 8:10 pm #920716zahavasdadParticipantmogold
Items that I consider greater wrong doings are not allowed to be quoted, This was on the YWN website.
January 15, 2013 8:15 pm at 8:15 pm #920717YW Moderator-007ModeratorYou are a liar, and have not corrected your lie yet.
You claimed that Satmar collects in your shul every morning. http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/giving-tzedkah-for-private-jets#post-430719
Keep it up!
January 15, 2013 8:28 pm at 8:28 pm #920718mogoldParticipantZDAD
The bias issue is still unrebutted….
January 15, 2013 8:40 pm at 8:40 pm #920719WIYMemberDaasYochid
I don’t hate Satmar. Hate is a very strong word.
January 15, 2013 8:54 pm at 8:54 pm #920720a maminParticipantWhy do you people even bother with ZD? Can’t you see his TRUE colors??
January 15, 2013 9:18 pm at 9:18 pm #920721mogoldParticipantWIY
You don’t hate Satmar you despise Satmar… for you to twist words & then implying that the Satmar’s are annoying & rude, (when the poster meant the TSA) is way beyond hate….
I hope you never need any of the services founded by the annoying rude Satmar people…
Don’t use Hatzolah
Don’t use Bikur Cholim
Don’t use Chesed rides
and many more chesed organizations…
January 15, 2013 11:16 pm at 11:16 pm #920722147ParticipantDid R’ Shlomo Zalman Auerback sit on an egged bus?
More than 30 years ago, I was on a Egged bus going all the way from Yerusholayim to to Tzfat {which in those days went by the Jordan River}, sitting across from Rav Yisroel Zeev Gustman ZT’L. This was the 1st time I heard of him, but this left an indelible impression on me, and I met him several times subsequently, and even seriously considered enrolling at his Yeshiva Netzach Yisroel.
By the way, I also met Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach ZT’L over a 100 times, as I spent 1/2 year in Shaarei Chessed where I saw him daily at Gra Shul, often with him hearing me leading services & doing Kerias haToroh.
So a resounding “Yes”, taht Gedolei Yisroel belong on buses & commercial aviation with the rest of mankind.
January 16, 2013 4:13 am at 4:13 am #920723WIYMembermogold
I was trying to be funny but nobody picked up on it. The fact that they have some good Chessed organizations does not mean they are perfect or close to it. There’s a lot of unacceptable things going on there and being tolerated there. I don’t want to go into it but trust me theres plenty of shmutz to go around and you know it. So don’t give me the bologna about their bikur cholim. Im censoring myself.
January 16, 2013 2:50 pm at 2:50 pm #920726mogoldParticipantWIY
If as you claim were tring to be funny, please dont quit your day job yet, you have a very poor sense of humor.
I was just saying that if you want to avoid the rude Satmars then also avoid their Chesed Organizations,
BTW there’s unacceptable thing going on EVERYWHERE , even where you belong , as unacceptable things are going on since the day of Cain & Hevel…
Also please censor yourself more often..
January 16, 2013 3:07 pm at 3:07 pm #920727☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantI was trying to be funny but nobody picked up on it.
I did pick up that you were trying to be funny. Your previous posts against Satmar dispel the notion that it was merely a poor attempt at humor.
January 16, 2013 3:40 pm at 3:40 pm #9207285fivetownsParticipantIf he wasn’t wearing a kipa and made his anti-Satmar posts he would rightfully be labeled an anti-semite. Just because he is wearing a kipa, makes his comment no less anti-semetic.
January 18, 2013 12:38 am at 12:38 am #920731JustHavingFunParticipantHey Kids! Lighten up! Usually I am “Just Having Fun,” but now I am way serious. Why all the infighting amongst Jews? We have enough goyim who hate us so let’s not add any ayin haras.
If the TSA asked the Rebbe to remove his bekeshe, what’s the harm? In December 2011 they took an 84-old lady in a wheel chair out for examination, did a strip search on her, and made her miss her connecting flights. (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/12/strip-searched-grandma-says-tsa-removed-her-underwear/) In their zeal to not appear to be profiling passengers (unlike ElAl), they examine all sorts of people who are unlikely to be troublemakers. Why should the Rebbe be any different? It’s not like he’s Obama’s right hand man or anything.
We have to stop bashing other Jews! Period! How is Moshiach going to come if we can’t make peace amongst ourselves!
Sheesh. Sometimes you guys really annoy me.
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