Haagen Daze declared TRAIF in Israel

Look, there is a machlokes about relying on govt standards to avoid the issur of cholov yisroel. I happen to rely on poskim who are mattir it, as do you. But I can certainly understand those who don’t permit it.

Every hashgacha needs to determine whether they are relying on it. In a country like Israel which has a centralized state religion, and official religious officials, they will naturally have to choose some standard.

I don’t see how you can complain that they didn’t choose your standard. I do see how you can complain about having an official religion.

I don’t think that this is accurate because MANY OU-D products are sold here in EY, so this cannot possibly be the reason for declaring the product TREIF. Has anyone else heard of issues with H-D?

R’ Moshe’s teshuvah was written for the USA, based on US laws. I honestly don’t know how it would apply in Israel. I do know that there are plenty of countries where you can’t rely on it.

R’ Tzvi Pesach Frank zt”l had ruled as Chief Rabbi that powdered milk was ok, but not liquid milk. The Rabbinate is simply following the psak from a former Chief Rabbi. If R’ Metzger would officially pasken that it’s not a problem, maybe they’d change their opinion.

the rabbanut has declared Haagen Daze TRAIF in Israel

Why would you say that? They didn’t say it is treif; they said it is no longer good enough for their hashgacha.

Why would you want to make this an emotional issue instead of just discussing it?

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What exactly is this? And how is it different than other chalav akum?

Also, one can still purchase HErsheys, Nestles and other non chalav yisroel items in stores such as supersol, either this is a hoax, or there is something else behind this.

A Heimishe mom: That’s not quite accurate (your Yoshon point; and the comparison to Chalav Yisrael doesn’t really work). For Yoshon, it doesn’t matter where you are but where the stuff was grown, unless there is a D’Rabannan that I am unaware of on imported produce. Certainly there’s no D’Oraisa involved, unless you assume that Chodosh in CHU”L is D’Oraisa, in which case the fact that it was brought into E”Y doesn’t matter.

pba: Any citizen of a country has the right to complain about government policy.

Of course. I’m not opposed to his right to complain. I just think it is a stupid complaint.

ZD – He is not saying that it is chalov chazer, just chalov stam from liquid milk is not something that meets the kashrus standards. What is such a problem that the standards here are not the standards in America. If you want to have OU-D products, you can go ahead but you can’t buy them from a store that has kashrus supervision.

And if you read one of the last lines of the article, it says, “What should a person who loves Haagen-Dasz ice cream do?” He answers, “He should love G-d more than he loves ice cream.” Can’t argue with that, IMO.

The problem us not only ice cream it is the Chief Rabbanut’s desire to be the posek for the Jewish world i.e. the giyur question, weddings officiated by American Orthodox Rabbis,persobnel status of olim etc. importing to Israel OU CHICKENS ETC it is also a question of “economics” there is a lot of money in the hechsher business.

assume all it had to do is print on the label calav nochri

and let buyer beware

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

HolyMoe, that point was raised in the CR many times already. R’ Belsky paskened that it’s not a problem.

zahavasdad:

I have no idea what you are talking about. The rabbanut’s job is to paken halacha. When they make a decision about standards, it is not “personal standards,” it is the halacha they are paskening.

Now, I happen to agree with you that the rabbanut should have less official authority. For example, I think the army’s rabbinate should be completely disbanded after their recent politicism of halacha.

But what on earth is your complaint against them. The OU also makes standards, and says that anything which doesn’t meet their standards is not allowed in their certified establishments. And the OU’s standards are not universal- as yitayningwut can tell you. But they need to choose a standard, and they do.

in the ENGLISH, It clearly says its NOT KOSHER, NOT its not to MY STANDARDS

Of course. It is a machlokes in din, and if they pasken it is assur, then they are paskening it is not kosher. If it was a chumrah only, then it would be strange for them to call it non-kosher.

The rabbanut is not the first people to disagree with the heter for cholov stam. Your real issue is that they have an official function- so we agree.

1. It is Ben and Jerry’s which has some flavors with the belz hechsher

2. Are you SURE the Haagen Daas sold in Israel is imported from the US and not from some other local, say Holland? It isnt uncommon for companies to have different factories in different parts of the world. The Dr. Pepper imported to Israel often comes form Europe, not the US

Has the Rabbanut stopped the sale of Nestles, Hersheys, Toblerone and other non chalav yisrael products in these same stores as well? Why was Haagen Dasz sold up until this point in time? Is this a new standard being taken on by the Rabbanut? Has Haagen Dasz Ice Cream imported into Israel changed its point of origin?

Lastly, in reading the hebrew notice posted above, the following term is mentioned regarding the ice cream – “???? ???”?”. As opposed to say an Asian or Indian ???”?? What does the term mean?

Now this very well could be a political issue the Rabbanut vs the O-U (Read Modern Orthodox)

The rabbanut is certainly not chareidi.

So, when do we find out that this story is a hoax?