March 3, 2011 10:24 pm at 10:24 pm #595470Flatbush DudeMember
So today I was in a grocery in Flatbush and I wanted to buy some fruits. So I took a bag and then decided I didn’t want fruit, and I kept the bag. Is this considered stealing? Also I notice that stores like Pomegranate offer hand sanitizers and umbrella bags throughtout the store. May I use them if I only plan window shopping (not actually buying anything)? I want to see what else the CR community can come up with and see if there are any Halachic ramifications of these action.March 3, 2011 10:40 pm at 10:40 pm #757546
The store owner probaly has these things in mind…March 4, 2011 2:20 am at 2:20 am #757547deiyezoogerMember
A bag is less then a shoveh pruta so its asumed the owner is not makpid.March 4, 2011 3:01 am at 3:01 am #757548
The store owner probaly has these things in mind…
He also has in mind that people might break in at night and steal cash and groceries.
A bag is less then a shoveh pruta so its asumed the owner is not makpid.
You’re allowed to steal less than a shoveh pruta?March 4, 2011 3:13 am at 3:13 am #757549charliehallParticipant
“You’re allowed to steal less than a shoveh pruta? “
Good think we are Jews; a Noachide can get a death sentence for stealing less than a shevah pruta.March 4, 2011 3:19 am at 3:19 am #757550
Good thing we are Jews;
I say a bracha to that effect every day 🙂
a Noachide can get a death sentence for stealing less than a shevah pruta.
I still wouldn’t want the punishment that a Jew gets for that.March 4, 2011 4:01 am at 4:01 am #757551me tooMember
A bag & sanitizers are really petty compared to things some people are careless about.
A friend of my wife has a bridal shop & people have no compunctions about wasting her staff’s time with no intentions of buying and come just to get ideas that they can have a Goyteh copy
Some even have the Chutzpa to take pix.March 4, 2011 4:59 am at 4:59 am #757552
DY – Gimme a break! You know what I meant. The store owner is probaly not makpid on the bags… Whereas he NOT JUST PROBALLY, He certainly is makpid on someone breaking in.March 4, 2011 5:23 am at 5:23 am #757553
The store owner is probaly not makpid on the bags…
Why wouldn’t he be makpid on someone who has absolutely no intention of buying anything taking a bag?
(BTW, what’s an umbrella bag?)March 4, 2011 5:27 am at 5:27 am #757554
DY – The OP said that they thought they were going to buy something and then changed their mind.March 4, 2011 5:36 am at 5:36 am #757555
This is from the OP:
Also I notice that stores like Pomegranate offer hand sanitizers and umbrella bags throughtout the store. May I use them if I only plan window shopping (not actually buying anything)?March 4, 2011 5:57 am at 5:57 am #757556commonsenseParticipant
i do not think the owners are makpid of bags unless you waste them in large quantites. many shoppers take extra bags that they don’t use and even if you are window shopping today, you may end up buying something because that is easy to do in supermarkets. Also window shoppers may see something that will bring them back another time. I believe that pomegrante of all stores would encourage you to browse.March 4, 2011 8:28 am at 8:28 am #757557blueprintsParticipant
The halocho is that if you steal less than a prutah then you have no asay of vehetshiv es hagzeloh but you’re still chayav for gezelMarch 4, 2011 9:40 am at 9:40 am #757558guy-ochoMember
Most store owners let you take them as it’s great marketing, and it boosts sales. Even if you are not buying now, you may end up buying a different time because of this. Many stores even state specifically that these promotional items are for anyone even people not buying, as it brings potential customers into the store. With shopping bags, it usually has the stores name on it and is great advertising, and they are more than happy for you to take a reasonable amount even when not purchasing.March 4, 2011 1:42 pm at 1:42 pm #757559
DY – I as actualy refeing to the firts part of the OP. However I would think that window shopping is also considered shopping in the aspect regarding the owner not minding if you take some sanitizer. Window shopping can leads to possible buyers. Thats why stores have window displays…March 4, 2011 4:41 pm at 4:41 pm #757560
I as actualy refeing to the firts part of the OP.
Which is odd, since you were challenging me, and I was referring to the second part. 🙂
Thanks. I actually meant it as a rhetorical question.March 4, 2011 6:12 pm at 6:12 pm #757561
DY – KMarch 4, 2011 8:59 pm at 8:59 pm #757562mw13Participant
As nice as it as to see such care about the halacha (and about other people’s money), all halacha li’maseh shailos should be addressed to a qualified possek, not asked to anonymous chat room.April 10, 2011 6:30 pm at 6:30 pm #757563Flatbush DudeMember
mw13: while it’s true that this belongs in the halacha thread, I think that even if it were, say, assure gamur, ppl would still do it without realizing their error.
i also know some people who take shopping bags from stores without permission-i doubt this is halachically and certainly not ethically correct if the owners dont approve- WHY SHOULD THEY WASTE THEIR SUPPLIESS ON NON-CUSTOMERS!?April 10, 2011 8:08 pm at 8:08 pm #757564WolfishMusingsParticipant
Also I notice that stores like Pomegranate offer hand sanitizers
I would think that in the case of hand sanitizers, the owners WANT all people who handle the merchandise — customer, window-shopper and employee alike, to use the hand sanitizer and not spread germs on the merchandise.
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