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  • #1828978

    seriously tho, although I have no interest or desire to partake in contentious conversations, if everyone has shifted back to neutral, and you sincerely have a question, I am happy to answer it.

    #1828980

    klugeryid
    Participant

    Yes
    What did Josef say That made you accuse him of failing to judge favorably

    #1828981

    klugeryid
    Participant

    By the way syag I was doing it for my best interest. I actually sincerely enjoy open and frank exchange of ideas.

    #1828992

    Briefly –
    My comment was this:
    “even you must admit that your advance condemning and expectations of horrible behavior is wrong al pi halacha”

    in response to his saying this, BEFORE any comments were made:
    “so expect a litany of excuses here why this aveira is okay and why this aveira (pritzus and whole list of worse things) โ€œreallyโ€ isnโ€™t such an aveira. Or that one day a year is okay to take a break from not doing aveiros.”

    I have been taught that expecting bad things from yidden in advance is halachically wrong. Until you had a problem with it it never occurred to me there was a differing opinion. Hope that answers your question.

    #1829007

    klugeryid
    Participant

    OK
    Now we have clarity.
    I am not sure why you would think that but at least now I hear what you were trying to say
    Probably what you learned was referring to a specific group. Meaning One of two things
    1) all satMar do….. So that would be wrong because you are casting aspersions on a specified group of people
    2) see that group over there? They…….
    That would also be wrong. And really for the same reason.
    Basically your negative conjecture is landing on an undeserved recipient.
    (I’m not sure where judging favorably comes in, In those scenarios as you are not ”judging ”
    By definition, judging takes place after the fact)

    In this case though, Josef did nothing of the sort. He spoke about those who watch or defend those who watch.
    So here the group has self rejected.
    He has made a judgement call about an act.
    If he is correct that it’s an abhorrent act, then anyone who chooses to do that act, has chosen to enter that group.
    If he is wrong, well then call him out on his judgement by explaining why he is wrong.
    But the key is that he was not judging people.

    (this is leaving out the whole other topic of whether it’s proper to judge someone who is clearly knowingly doing something wrong, favorably)

    #1829009

    umm, I don’t think we have clarity. im not sure where you came up with the beginning of your post, about motzei shem rah. I said I was talking about expecting bad things from a group of frum jews who have not done anything yet. joseph said (and I believe I am paraphrasing without altering it) that some frum yidden will now come forward and say bad things that are knegged halacha (rationalizations about the superbowl).

    THIS is jumping to a conclusion, regardless how sure you are, that yidden will sin. he judged them infavorably, accusing them (although we don’t know specifically which ones, but Yidden nonetheless) of being sinners without a limud zchus that this year they might be different. there is no room to say he was standing up for Halacha in the face of evil, no evil had been done except in his negative expectation of members of klal Yisroel.

    #1829024

    klugeryid
    Participant

    Yes I agree to your rendering of what Josef said. No need to sound the exact words.
    However my point is,
    You cannot ”point” to anyone, to say he spoke negatively about them.
    In my hypothetical examples, In the first case the fellow has tarred ”all” satmar. Hence he has made an accusation on specific people. That is wrong.
    In the second example he has openly tarred a specific group.

    Here, who has he tarred?
    All jews?
    Not at all!
    He specifically stated its only the sinners that he is referencing.
    Who are they?
    Nobody can point a finger and say he meant that guy.
    He meant nobody specific.
    As soon as someone goes ahead and does the act, yes In retrospect he meant ”him ”
    But at that point there is no issue judging because (and here the second issue needs to be brought to bear) it is OK to judge a person who knowingly does something wrong, negatively.
    (even if you personally were to want to be stringent in the issue, and hold like those who say you can judge everyone favorably, he has the right to hold like those who say in such a case it’s actually forbidden to judge favorably. So here there is a clear way to judge someone (Josef) favorably for an act that In your eyes is wrong. Simply by granting him the right to hold by those who pasken that it would be forbidden to do otherwise)
    As I said before, as a proof to his correctness, I brought a piece from the Chafetz Chaim where he does the exact same thing.
    He writes in his sefer that those who sit and talk between mincha and Mariv instead of using the time to learn, end up committing a whole list of severe sins.
    Is there any material difference between saying that and saying anyone who watches the super bowl commits a whole list of sins?
    Anyone who defends watchers of the super Bowl commits a whole list of sins?
    We see from the quoted Chafetz Chaim that it is OK to say anyone who does…. Commits a whole list of sins.
    If it’s good enough for the Chafetz Chaim, I suspect it’s good enough for Josef.
    So as I said I now understand where you were coming from but I think you are wrong

    #1829032

    I know you think im wrong, and you were able to to reach far to get there. But that wasn’t the case ar hand. According ro someone familiar with halacha i was correct.

    #1829047

    Joseph
    Participant

    Syag, what is the halachic basis that the unknown “someone familiar with halacha” thinks you’re correct? KlugerYid explained the halachic sources how you’re incorrect. All you’re countering is someone unknown and unforseen claims, based on unstated and unknown claimed halachic basis, that you’re supposedly correct even though you were demonstrated halachic sources to the contrary.

    Please produce your halachic cards. You may even ask that someone for the answer, if any.

    #1829051

    klugeryid
    Participant

    According to you is there anything wrong with the following statement.
    I know for sure today some yiden will speak lashon hara

    #1829050

    klugeryid
    Participant

    To elaborate a bit further
    Were I to state ”all people who drink coffee are over many sins every time they drink it because coffee is a drug and it’s unhealthy so they are not watching their health ”
    You can easily argue with my contention, and prove that the torch allows one to drink coffee and therefore they are doing nothing wrong.
    And having proved your position, I would be incorrect in my assertion.
    But I have not been over on judging people favorably.
    Judging favorably simply means when you see someone do something that no the surface looks incorrect, you should try to mitigate the wrongness in your mind and try to explain it away as much as you can possibly do so that you don’t have a negative opinion of a specific person or group of people.

    #1829048

    klugeryid
    Participant

    Not sure what it means I reached far
    I am familiar with halacha. I know you are wrong based on what you have presented.
    The only difference between my position and the anonymous source you are quoting is that I have explained where I’m coming from and how I reached my conclusion as opposed to just declaring.
    Other than that I guess it’s a machlokes.
    But once again, once there are different opinions, you need to judge Josef favorably that he did nothing wrong with making his post.

    #1829107

    Avram in MD
    Participant

    klugeryid,

    “Probably what you learned was referring to a specific group. Meaning One of two things
    1) all satMar doโ€ฆ.. So that would be wrong because you are casting aspersions on a specified group of people
    2) see that group over there? Theyโ€ฆโ€ฆ.
    That would also be wrong.”

    Ah, but Joseph was casting aspersions on a specified group of people: the denizens of the CR. He said as much in a follow-up post where he noted his 10+ years of experience with such “people.” I would like to point out that in 62 posts and counting so far in this thread, B”H not a single person has tried yet to justify stam viewing pritzus as he contended.

    “He spoke about those who watch or defend those who watch.”

    Not exactly. He contended that people here on the CR were the sort of people who watch or defend those who watch. I think that’s what bothered Syag.

    #1829112

    Avram in MD
    Participant

    zahavasdad,

    “If you can learn all day without breaks, then you should not be bittual torah for it, but for those of us not on that madreiga of the Choftez Chaim or other gedoli yisroel we need to pick our battles”

    You have moved the goalposts (pun intended). First, nobody here who has objected to watching the Super Bowl has done so on the basis of bitul Torah. The basis is the pritzus inherent in an event that purposefully tries to push the boundaries of what even the hedonistic secular American culture finds acceptable. And whether it is possible to partake safely in any part of such an event (by trying to skip the commercials, halftime, etc).

    #1829144

    klugeryid
    Participant

    avram
    i hear
    but i would contend that as the posters here are anonymous, it is not the same as casting aspersions on a person or defined group
    but i can hear your position
    however i keep falling back on the position that since there is a bening way to view his comment, she should have done so at least according to her logic and worldview

    #1829147

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Putting aside the Half-time show, The argument against watching sports is Bittual torah, not Prizus (Many football teams do not have cheerleaders (The big teams like the Giants, Packers, Steelers and Patriots do NOT have cheerleaders ) and the half time show is not shown on tv

    And if you go to other sports like Baseball , hockey or Basketball there are no cheerleaders (I dont think soccer has either) Its all about the Bittual Torah

    #1829200

    “since there is a bening way to view his comment, she should have done so ”

    because you think there is an alternate way to view his comment I should have decided to view it that way? tell me youre joking

    #1829244

    Avram in MD
    Participant

    klugeryid,

    “but i would contend that as the posters here are anonymous, it is not the same as casting aspersions on a person or defined group”

    The problem with that is that this is a frum Jewish Web site, so “anonymous” defaults to “frum Jews.”

    “however i keep falling back on the position that since there is a bening [benign?] way to view his comment, she should have done so at least according to her logic and worldview”

    I don’t follow from Syag’s post that she holds one is required to search the galaxy for a limud zechus on every comment made under the sun. She didn’t like Joseph’s assertion that a group of Jews were beyond redemption and would surely sin. Your contention at first seemed to be that Joseph was referring to irredeemable sinners. But that is circular reasoning and makes no sense. Irredeemable sinners are irredeemable sinners. Why does that need to be said? You also said that the CR is not a definable group of Jews. So I wrote what I did above. And I’m not sure at all that it’s ok to cast aspersions on an undefined group of Jews.

    #1829247

    Avram in MD
    Participant

    zahavasdad,

    “The argument against watching sports is Bittual torah, not Prizus”

    Not that I’ve seen, either in this thread or other discussions of sports. You can’t shoot an arrow, then paint a target where it landed and claim a bullseye. I’ve seen some argue that sports fandom is a huge financial and emotional investment in something that is hevel at its core (not a uniquely Jewish argument), but that is not the same thing as bitul Torah. And the theme of this thread through and through has been specifically issues of exposure to pritzus while watching the Superbowl.

    #1829256

    klugeryid
    Participant

    Syag
    No I’m totally serious. Isn’t that like the simplest form of judging favorably??
    That he holds like a differing legitimate opinion in halacha?

    What do you consider judging favorably?

    #1829254

    klugeryid
    Participant

    Avram
    There is nothing wrong with positing that ”frum jews ” will sin provided you are not claiming it on any specific person or identifiable people.
    The gemorah does it.
    The gemorah actually does even more
    ื’ ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืื™ืŸ ืื“ื ื ื™ืฆื•ืœ ื‘ื›ืœ ื™ื•ื ืžื™ืขื•ื˜ืŸ ื‘ื’ื–ืœ, ืจื•ื‘ื ื‘ืขืจื™ื•ืช , ื•ื›ื•ืœื ื‘ืื‘ืง ืœืฉื•ืŸ ื”ืจืข
    Lonely translated there are three things people don’t get saved from daily.
    Some Steal
    Many transgress on illicit activities
    And everyone with a touch of ืœืฉื•ืŸ ื”ืจืข
    It’s talking about religion jews
    It’s saying that they sin. Daily.

    I’m not following your circular issue at all so I have no comment.

    Search all galaxies? Actually why not. Rabbi Hutner famously said, the Reason God created crooked minds is to be able to judge favorably.
    Especially here, where the favorable option is just that he holds of the simple reading of mainstream Halacha. I would not exactly call that ”searching the galaxies ”

    #1829269

    “She didnโ€™t like Josephโ€™s assertion that a group of Jews were beyond redemption and would surely sin.”
    ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป
    shkoyach

    #1829288

    klugeryid
    Participant

    She didnโ€™t like Josephโ€™s assertion that a group of Jews were beyond redemption and would surely sin.โ€
    ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป
    Is that like a Christian expression?
    And besides here again is Josef post

    People rationalize all sorts of aveiros; so expect a litany of excuses here why this aveira is okay and why this aveira (pritzus and whole list of worse things) โ€œreallyโ€ isnโ€™t such an aveira. Or that one day a year is okay to take a break from not doing aveiros.

    Where does he say
    People are beyond redemption??

    What are you even talking about?

    #1829369

    klugeryid
    Participant

    ื—”ื— ืคืชื™ื—ื”, ืขืฉื™ืŸ ืื•ืช ื•, ื‘ื”ื’ื”ื”
    ื•ื›ืœ ืฉื’ืŸ ืœืคื™ ืžื” ืฉืžืฆื•ื™ ื‘ืขื•ื•ื ื•ืชื™ื ื• ื”ืจื‘ื™ื ื‘ืฉื‘ืช ืงื•ื“ืฉ ืื—ืจ ืกืขื•ื“ื” ืฉืœื™ืฉื™ืช, ืฉื™ืฉ ื›ืžื” ื›ื™ืชื•ืช ืื ืฉื™ื, ื”ืœื•ืžื“ื™ ืชื•ืจื” ืžืกืชืžื ืžืฉื™ื—ื™ืŸ ื‘ื“ื‘ืจื™ ืืœืงื™ื ื—ื™ื™ื –ื•ืฉืืจื™ ืื ืฉื™ื” ืžืกืชืžื!!” ืžืฉื™ื—ื™ืŸ ื‘ืขื ื™ืŸ ื”ื‘ืœื™ ื”ืขื•ืœื. ื•ื‘ื•ื•ื“ืื™ ืžืชื’ื ื“ืจ ืขืœ ืœืฉื•ื ื ื“ื‘ืจื™ ืœืฉื””ืจ ื•ื”ื•ืœืœื•ืช ื•ืœื™ืฆื ื•ืช. ืื ื›ืŸ ืžื™ ืฉืคื•ืจืฉ ืžื”ื‘ืขืœื™ ืชื•ืจื” ื•ื”ื•ืœืœื•ืช ื•ืžื˜ื” ืื–ื ื• ืœื—ื‘ืจื” ื”ืจืขื” ื”ื–ืืช ื›ื“ื™ ืœืฉืžื•ืจ ืžื”ื ืกื™ืคื•ืจื™ื”ื ื”ื”ื‘ืœื™ื ืขื•ื‘ืจ ืขืœ ืžืฆื•ื•ืช ืขืฉื” ื–ื• ืœื‘ื“ ืžื” ืฉื›ื•ื‘ืจ ืขืœ ืœื ืชื”ื™ื” ืื—ืจื™ ืจื‘ื™ื ืœืจืื•ืช… ืข”ืฉ

    Do you see what he did here?
    He spoke negatively about a future activity, based on normal observation of his surroundings, piling on ืœืื• after ืœืื• without stopping to maybe be ื“ืŸ ืœื›ืฃ ื–ื›ื•ืช those people who are going to the schmooze group because ”we are not the Chazon ish we can’t be expected to learn all day.
    Casting aspersions on regular jews.
    Seeing negative before it takes place.

    I’d really love to know who this anonymous halacha knower is and what he based his decision on.
    I know he is clearly arguing on the Chafetz Chaim

    #1829424

    klugeryid
    Participant

    Chash
    You wrote
    however as in the case above you responded while on afterburner and thus clarity was lostโ€ฆ
    That’s exactly what I meant by women being more emotional.
    When you respond with emotion you often lose clarity
    Doesn’t make you necessarily wrong
    Doesn’t make you dumb
    But it’s often a cause of seeming so.
    ื•ื‘ื“ื‘ืจื™ ื—ื–ืœ
    ื‘ื ืœื›ืœืœ ื›ืขืก ื‘ื ืœื›ืœืœ ื˜ืขื•ืช

    #1829504

    chash
    Participant

    @Syag
    So, I am someone familiar with this Halacha. Now that i’ve introduced myself here goes.
    The Mitzva of “btzedek tishpot” is not a universal rule.
    By all accounts it applies to someone who you know is tzaddik who you see doing something which seems, yes seems, wrong. And we are Mechuyav in that scenario to not judge critically but to either reconcile it with a good interpretation or leave it as “i dont know”.
    More so, if it is undeniable that a misdeed was committed, still we must judge favorably by saying, surely after the sin he has remorse and is not a person who sins, v’ein tzaddik b’olam …. shelo yecheta. as we know “haroeh T”CH sheasa aveira b’layla, al tiharher acharav, shebivadai asa teshuva”.
    Also not an argument, is that when one sees a rasha doing something that can be either good or bad… YOU SHALL JUDGE HIM LEKAF CHOV! this is agreed by all the poskim.

    The confusion revolves around a beinoni, someone [like most of us frum people] who ‘try’ to abstain from aveiros but unfortunately nevertheless fall many times. From the Pirush Meshnayos Lerambam, and from the rav, in avos, and others, it seems that there is no chiyuv to judge such a person favorably, although it is a middas chassidus to do so.
    The Chafetz Chaim however, in his hilchos lashon hara, in the intro where he discusses that someone who speaks lashon hara transgresses the mitzva of betzedek tishpot, explains that this is a misreading of those aforementioned sefarim.
    The Chafetz chaim puts forth a strong argument that one is MECHUYAV D’ORAYSA to judge a beinoni favorably. And he explains that the aforementioned sefarim were referring not to someone who YOU KNOW IS A BEINONI but rather to a stranger, who you do not know, and therefore dont know even if he is a beinoni, Maybe he’s a rasha?
    Such a person there is no chiyuv to judge favorably. Nevertheless it is virtuous (middas chassidus) to judge him favorably.

    Therefore. Being that most of us on the coffee room do not know each other, there is no chiyuv “dan Lekaf Zechus” – L’kulo alama.
    Furthermore, Joseph saying that there is a tendency to rationalize aveiros isnt his own statement, but the baalei mussar, from the poskim, from the gemara, from Tanach;
    “ain adam roeh nigei atzmo” , “darko shel ish yashar b’einav” ect.

    and as an aside, there is a misunderstanding out there that “yiddden dont judge”.
    My belief is that that idea has permeated into our psyche from the Goyim.
    OF COURSE YIDDEN JUDGE! We constantly calculate and judge! its not possible not to judge, its an inherent trait that Hashem gave us for our safety!
    It tells us to be wary of people that seem threatening, to not let our guard down around people with mannerisms that exude harmful intent, to not give our money to every scammer who calls us, and to not confuse a leopard for a house cat!
    But we judge in a manner prescribed by the torah, allowing us to listen to our feelings but to lead with our mind. Those who say “dont judge me”…. their the ones we usually have to be most careful of.

    #1829530

    Avram in MD
    Participant

    klugeryid,

    however as in the case above you responded while on afterburner and thus clarity was lostโ€ฆ
    Thatโ€™s exactly what I meant by women being more emotional.”

    He wrote that about you.

    #1829529

    Avram in MD
    Participant

    klugeryid,

    “What are you even talking about?”

    Joseph’s post with my interlinear comments:

    People [specifically those who post in the CR, as he makes clear in later responses] rationalize all sorts of aveiros [I have no objection to this statement]; so expect a litany of excuses here [in the CR, he is telling us what the CR participants specifically are going to do] why this aveira [viewing awful pritzus] is okay and why this aveira (pritzus and whole list of worse things [!!!]) โ€œreallyโ€ isnโ€™t such an aveira [i.e., expect the people on the CR to justify some of the worst aveiros people can do]. Or that one day a year is okay to take a break from not doing aveiros [not even twist things around to say it’s not a sin, just straight up say that sinning is fine].

    These are powerfully negative things to say, and it’s not a leap at all to posit that someone who actually espouses such things would be beyond redemption. However, nobody in the CR actually did the things he said to expect. This isn’t even an issue of dan l’kaf zechus.

    #1829523

    Avram in MD
    Participant

    klugeryid,


    The gemorah does it.
    The gemorah actually does even more
    ื’ ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืื™ืŸ ืื“ื ื ื™ืฆื•ืœ ื‘ื›ืœ ื™ื•ื ืžื™ืขื•ื˜ืŸ ื‘ื’ื–ืœ, ืจื•ื‘ื ื‘ืขืจื™ื•ืช , ื•ื›ื•ืœื ื‘ืื‘ืง ืœืฉื•ืŸ ื”ืจืข”

    I don’t think that Joseph and Chazal are comparable, and their intentions are quite different. I think assessing intention is part of our disagreement here.

    “Iโ€™m not following your circular issue at all so I have no comment.”

    That’s never stopped you before.

    #1829610

    klugeryid
    Participant

    chas
    thanks i wouldnt have the strength to type all that

    #1829609

    klugeryid
    Participant

    avram

    He wrote that about you.
    absolutely! i got emotional and lost clarity
    women in general are more emotional and therefore generally are not so clear. he bolstered my point using my comment as his example.
    thats what i meant to sure
    not sure what you thought i was tring to say

    โ€œIโ€™M NOT FOLLOWING YOUR CIRCULAR ISSUE AT ALL SO I HAVE NO COMMENT.โ€

    Thatโ€™s never stopped you before.

    pure conjecture

    These are powerfully negative things to say, and itโ€™s not a leap at all to posit that someone who actually espouses such things would be beyond redemption.POSSIPLY but that would be you positing that
    josef never even insinuated that
    dont interject your negativity into someone elses comment and then excoriate him on it

    #1829640

    chash
    Participant

    @kluger @syag @avrom
    Great job kluger, that choftz chaim is a great example of being realistic, lets face it people what joseph said is correct, people rationalize aveiros all the time, and they do it for watching stuff like the super bowl too, in fact many people who wouldnt watch a movie sometimes get sucked [ baavonoseinu harabim] into watching that too, and somehow it never gets turned off in time…
    A person i know just came over to me telling me that he was horrified, that although he was aware that they were going to watch the superbowl, he took it for granted that they would shut it for the half time… long story short-they didnt, and all the people there who would never do such a thing, maybe they looked away, but ain apitruphus…….

    #1829727

    Burnt Steak
    Participant

    Zahava I want to make some corrections to your post about cheerleaders.

    The Patriots do have cheerleaders. Only 6/32 teams currently do not have cheerleaders.

    Basketball has cheerleaders and dance squads. Only the San Antonio Spurs don’t have them and they got rid of them in 2018.

    Hockey has cheerleaders. They are often in the crowd cheering and come onto the ice to remove excess snow.

    Some Baseball teams have a dance/ cheer squad that throws tshirts and dances on the dugout during inning breaks. They are usually dressed more modestly. There are also teams that employ ball girls down the foul lines.

    #1829810

    Avram in MD
    Participant

    chash,

    “people rationalize aveiros all the time, and they do it for watching stuff like the super bowl too, in fact…”

    “A person i know just came over to me telling me that he was horrified, that although he was aware that they were going to watch the superbowl, he took it for granted that they would shut it for the half timeโ€ฆ”

    I agree with everything you wrote in your post. It’s quite different in tone and even substance from what Joseph wrote.

    #1829805

    Avram in MD
    Participant

    klugeryid,

    “josef never even insinuated that
    dont interject your negativity into someone elses comment and then excoriate him on it”

    I have not once excoriated Joseph on this thread, nor even addressed him directly. Syag objected to what Joseph wrote, and it was pretty clear that you did not understand her objection, instead getting hung up on her colloquial reference to dan l’kaf zechus. The ream of halachic sources you and chash subsequently threw out don’t even directly apply, since the specific issue, if there is one, is motzi shem ra, not literal dan l’kaf zechus.

    #1829841

    klugeryid
    Participant

    Avram
    Did you read the piece I quoted from the Chafetz Chaim?
    If you substitute schmoozing between mincha and Mariv for watching the Superbowl it is indistinguishable from Josefs comment.
    So According to you syag would take exception to the Chafetz Chaim. Nice.
    And no. I didn’t get ”hung up ” on A colloquial reference. That was seemingly her issue. When it was shown that that didn’t apply, it was clarified to another issue which also was off base as shown by the Chafetz Chaim and gemorah that I brought.
    I think they very much directly apply to show that such action as Josef did is not m s r

    #1829863

    “When it was shown that that didnโ€™t apply,”

    When I changed the conversation to something else based on my understanding it differently than it was presented and then went on a monologue about it until it worked for me

    fixed that for you

    #1829881

    klugeryid
    Participant

    So it is About ื“ืŸ ืœื›ืฃ ื–ื›ื•ืช?
    I think you are wrong on either count and I have sources for both so it makes no difference to me.
    So I don’t think it’s sensible to accuse of of changing it to something that works for me.

    It probably would have been helpful to the conversation, had you actually responded to my posts and maybe called me out when I switched the conversation instead of silently watching from the sidelines, but whatever works for you is good

    #1829883

    klugeryid
    Participant

    Syag I asked there two questions
    Still haven’t received a response

    1) Syag
    No Iโ€™m totally serious. Isnโ€™t that like the simplest form of judging favorably??
    That he holds like a differing legitimate opinion in halacha?

    What do you consider judging favorably?

    2) According to you is there anything wrong with the following statement.
    I know for sure today some yiden will speak lashon hara

    #1830141

    klugeryid
    Participant

    Syag I think you may have missed this

    Syag I asked there two questions
    Still havenโ€™t received a response

    1) Syag
    No Iโ€™m totally serious. Isnโ€™t that like the simplest form of judging favorably??
    That he holds like a differing legitimate opinion in halacha?

    What do you consider judging favorably?

    2) According to you is there anything wrong with the following statement.
    I know for sure today some yiden will speak lashon hara

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