February 12, 2020 10:40 pm at 10:40 pm #1831204
Gadolhadorah commented on the roger stone sentence
“Forget about this clown Stone. What does it say about our judicial system when the President can pressure the DOJ to change their sentencing memo for one of his BFFs. I suspect we will be seeing a bunch of pardons the day AFTER election day in November.”
Remember when Obama used the irs against the tea party?February 13, 2020 6:23 am at 6:23 am #1831317JosephParticipant
The President of the United States is the head of the Department of Justice as well as of every other departments, agency and branch of the executive government of the United States. As such, the President has the full constitutional and legal right to decide any and all decisions made by any part of the Justice Department or any other executive department.
As far as pardons, yes, I hope he gives a full, complete and immediate pardon to all victims of the Mueller witch hunt, the morning after election day, whether he wins or loses the election.February 13, 2020 9:53 am at 9:53 am #1831389
“The President of the United States is the head of the Department of Justice as well as of every other departments, agency and branch of the executive government of the United States.”
Sorry joe there’s something called a balance of powerFebruary 13, 2020 2:06 pm at 2:06 pm #1831518jackkParticipant
Obama did not use the IRS . Another silly fox news conspiracy theory.
As John Kelly said today people who rely on fox news “are not informed citizens.”February 13, 2020 2:06 pm at 2:06 pm #1831517
Joseph, I am surprised at you. I thought you were an educated person. Justice is blind. What happened to equal justice under the law for everyone? How is he different from a dictator?February 13, 2020 2:06 pm at 2:06 pm #1831516akupermaParticipant
The DOJ should not get involved with politics. The whole investigation of Trump was resolved in Trump’s favor. Trump probably should pardon him and be done with it. The anti-Trumpers will scream, but that wouldn’t change anyone’s votes.February 13, 2020 6:01 pm at 6:01 pm #1831581
I think I trust fox before you any dayFebruary 13, 2020 6:37 pm at 6:37 pm #1831600
What’s the difference between trump pressuring the Dept of justice to go easy on his friend or Obama siccing the irs on someone?
In trumps case he is using his pull to help his friend who is in trouble for helping him. Not really a surprising move. Something all those now upset about here should be rooting for. It’s called הכרת הטוב. From the guy who has no morals or מידות.
It threatens nobody, and really is nobodies business.
Whereas using the Irs to harass your political enemies, is something that threatens the very bedrock of free society.
Even someone who is perfectly clean can still undergo years of hell and fortunes of money to clear themselves, with no recourse to Seamus that lost time and money. It’s a real threat.
It’s almost as if the president can Willi nilli lock someone up for years for disagreeing with him personally or politically.
Additionally it’s the stupidest thing to get upset at trump for.
He is fully in his rights to wait until they sentence stone to 1000 years in prison plus the death penalty. Harsh enough? With no meddling from trump?
And the next day pardon stone and he walks out a free man.
So what’s the issue if beforehand he let’s it be known that he thinks this is too harsh of a punishment?
Fabricated indignation from trump hatersFebruary 13, 2020 7:17 pm at 7:17 pm #1831608
klugeryid, change your name. איזהו חכם הרואה את הנולד a smart person looks in the past. We don’t want a dictator who controls the Justice Dept. Next, any person can be investigated by the president, if he does’t like him.February 13, 2020 10:36 pm at 10:36 pm #1831631MilhouseParticipant
Joseph is 100% correct that “The President of the United States is the head of the Department of Justice as well as of every other departments, agency and branch of the executive government of the United States.”
Coffee addict, there is no “balance of power” within the executive branch. How could there be, since there is no “executive branch” outside the president. The US constitution says that the president *is* the executive; everyone who works in that branch works for him and exercises only those powers he has delegated to them. So how can there be a balance of power?
Eliezer, who is not a “reb”, the president *does* control the Justice Department, whether you like it or not. That’s how the constitution has it. And using that power to give someone a small measure of justice is not being a dictator.February 13, 2020 11:12 pm at 11:12 pm #1831652
Aside from the absence of any findings by the Treasury IG that Obama had personally directed the IRS to withhold or delay requests for not-for-profit tax status by Tea Party and other Consdervative Groups. A more in-depth investigation by AG Sessions after Trump was elected did conclude that Lois lerner and another IRS official had failed to monitor and discipline employees under their supervision who DID engage in such behavior and agreed to a $3.5 million settlement with the affected groups. Again, the DOJ investigation did not link the White House to the actions by the IRS employees.
If you want to believe that the President can/should intervene with the criminal justice system on behalf of his friends, that’s you option but leave it for the Foxnhunts like Hannity et. al. to use the “Obama did it too” argument.February 13, 2020 11:13 pm at 11:13 pm #1831651
Milhouse you are like trump and deserve each other by being an עזות פנים.February 13, 2020 11:33 pm at 11:33 pm #1831657
I’m sure there are dedicated members of the Federalist Society including AG Barr who will argue for an expansive theory of the unitary executive under Article II that encompasses the President having the authority to over-rule both his own DOJ and the judiciary on any matter, whether federal or state. Indeed, in pending litigation the President’s lawyer said that he is immune from prosecution while in office even if he engaged in the infamous Fifth Avenue Shooting. Under that scenario, we would have to fall back on the Nancy/Nasler/Schiff impeachment show with Uncle Mitch in the Senate refusing to call any witnesses from New York City. They also argued he is immune from even being investigated while in office, whether it was for a federal or state law matte.February 13, 2020 11:33 pm at 11:33 pm #1831656
Milhouse see https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/why-do-you-support-trump reply # 1830774February 14, 2020 12:15 am at 12:15 am #1831663
I don’t believe that anyone’s middle name should be invoked as an indicator of that person’s values, whether it be a U.S. President or a CR poster (with the same middle name as a disgraced former U.S. president).February 14, 2020 7:56 am at 7:56 am #1831679
klugeryid, change your name. איזהו חכם הרואה את הנולד a smart person looks in the past. We don’t want a dictator who controls the Justice Dept. Next, any person can be investigated by the president, if he does’t like him.
What are you talking about?
It means who sees the future.
At least translate correctly before criticizing.
He does not control it any more than any president before or after him. He has not seized power. He UTILIZED his power. And we see which way he enjoys utilizing it. To help his friends. Big issue there.
Maybe say, next boy of his cronies can do any crime and get away with it. At least then the issue you bring up would make sense. Although in my post I already answered that he already has that power. It’s called PARDONFebruary 14, 2020 10:16 am at 10:16 am #1831730February 15, 2020 7:20 pm at 7:20 pm #1831832
You totally lost me
חזל say one thing
You mistranslated it on purpose because you know better? Is that what you are saying?
Nice. I’ll keep חזל ‘ס version if you don’t mind.
I can’t be positive but I just have this feeling that they were a drop smarter than even you.
Hope I’m not being to חוצפא to say thatFebruary 17, 2020 6:35 pm at 6:35 pm #1832571
klugeryid, see what the Chasam Sofer says:
חתם סופר מסכת נדרים דף ל עמוד ב
איזהו חכם הרואה את הנולד ולא אמר הרואה את שעתיד להיות, והיינו משום מי שמפחד מהעתידות ביותר עליו נאמר אמר עצל ארי בחוץ ברחובות ארצח, ואמרו מן הזהירות שלא תרבה להזהר, ואמנם איש חכם שוקל העתידות במה שכבר עבר וממה שכבר נעשה בעולם כיוצא בזה ומביא ראיה מהעבר על העתיד האפשרי והיינו שאחז”ל הרואה את הנולד שכולל העבר שכבר נולד עם העתיד להולד כבשמעתין וק”ל:February 17, 2020 6:37 pm at 6:37 pm #1832574
The Chasam Sofer is a Targum in Koheles:
עלי תמר סוטה פרק ח
החכם עיניו בראשו החכם עד שהוא בראשו של דבר הוא יודע מה בסופו. וכן אמרו בתמיד ל”ב איזהו חכם הרואה את הנולד. ובתרגום קהלת, חכימא מסתכל ברישא מה דעתיד למיעבד בסיפא.February 17, 2020 8:01 pm at 8:01 pm #1832596
klugeryid, it also says איזהו חכם הלומד מכל אדם a smart person learns from others. He does not need to learn from his own experiences but can learn from others experiences. You can argue that the Targum is not the Chasam Sofer but Rashi. He is able to see the consequences. Certainly the Chasam Sofer says what I said. It is hard to see the consequences, if someone did not experienced it and like this we resolve a contradiction on who is a chacham.February 18, 2020 9:39 am at 9:39 am #1832756
Lots of words. Looks smart and sharp. I have no idea what your point isFebruary 18, 2020 11:27 am at 11:27 am #1832798
klugeryid, the Chasam Sofer says above that it does not say who sees the future but who sees the birth indicating past and future. We should learn from past experiences for the future.February 18, 2020 11:52 am at 11:52 am #1832809
And therefore??February 18, 2020 4:31 pm at 4:31 pm #1832914
So the Trumkopf just commuted the sentence of the illustrious former Illinois Governor Rob Blagojevich (who auctioned off an appointment to fill the Obama Senate Seat for campaign contributions) and pardoned Mike Milliken (the junk bond fraudster from the old Drexel firm) and Bernie Keric (former NYC police commissioner and Giuliani’s BFF who was convicted of tax fraud and perjury). Still pending are requests from Bernie Madoff and the estate of Jeffrey Epstein. I guess Roger is sleeping comfortably.February 18, 2020 7:44 pm at 7:44 pm #1832950
And therefore?February 18, 2020 10:31 pm at 10:31 pm #1832951
As I’ve been saying all along the man can pardon who he wants when he wants without any limits so stop getting bent out of shape when he helps his friends to get off
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