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May 26, 2010 10:34 pm at 10:34 pm #714015
Nutrition is the easiest/simplest of finding out the truth. Just do what me and my colleagues did and see.
The experience from my colleagues on this diet (low carb- high saturated fat) was- Losing Weight (more than 50pt), Healed Particular Disorder, Went down from Cholesterol Medication, Not Tired etc. and A lot more- from other sources.
Most diets people going on is like- Hypocrating themselves. In one side you want to “Diet” and the other side- you are cooperating with staying hungry.
On this diet you should eat A lot of Protein, then you will also be satisfied with 2 meals A day (addition to Saturated Fat what satisfies), Like the diet we ate for thousands of years.May 27, 2010 3:20 am at 3:20 am #714016
Sam -Here is the AHA statement: “The AHA advisory, published in the association’s respected journal Circulation, studied existing research and the diets themselves. It concluded that there’s no proof these diets are effective for long-term weight loss and warned that they may cause potential health risks for those who follow them for more than a short time. In addition to the Atkins diet, the advisory panel reviewed the Zone, Protein Power, Sugar Busters and Stillman diets.”
But I guess you and your few friends, know more than many, many medical professionals. BTW, do you know what triglycerides (fat) does to your arteries? It clogges them up and causes heart disease and strokes.May 27, 2010 3:34 pm at 3:34 pm #714017
Very good you mentioned the word “triglycerides”!
The triglycerides from more than few fall (extremely for some).
By the way You should have triglycerides.
Again! I intentionaly not going into Positive critic because I will be no end.
As you are educated, you know that no one can ARGUE with FACTS.May 27, 2010 4:47 pm at 4:47 pm #714018yw112Member
to Health: I’m not sure if u are a health professional or just use your name as “health” but i could tell you that much that my “triglycerides” was 185 but within being on lo carbohydrate high fat diet my triglycerides went to 99 so def carbohydrates is what causes the high triglycerides not the fat.May 28, 2010 4:14 am at 4:14 am #714019
From the Mayo clinic: “Weight loss
The claim: The Atkins diet claims that it can prevent or improve serious health conditions, such as diabetes, high blood pressure and cardiovascular disease. Atkins also claims that digestive problems such as heartburn, gallstones, gas and bloating will improve when you greatly reduce carbohydrate consumption.
The claim: The Atkins diet says that exercise is a vital part of its approach. It also says exercise is important to maintaining weight loss and achieving other health benefits. And it disputes any notion that you can do the Atkins diet successfully without exercise.
The reality: Physical activity and exercise help you burn more calories, aiding weight loss. Regular physical activity is also vital to prevent regaining the weight you’ve lost and, of course, provides numerous health benefits. Although the Atkins diet says exercise is important, it doesn’t specify how much you need. Healthy adults typically need at least 30 minutes of physical activity a day, according to the Department of Health and Human Services. However, if you’re obese or you want to lose weight, you may need to increase your activity.
It’s not known with certainty what risks, if any, the Atkins diet may pose to your health, especially over the long term.
Some health experts believe that eating a large amount of fat and protein from animal sources, as allowed on the Atkins diet, can increase your risk of heart disease or some cancers. However, it’s not known what risks, if any, the Atkins diet may pose over the long term because most of the studies about it have lasted for a year or less.
In addition, the Atkins diet isn’t appropriate for everyone. For example, Atkins warns that people with severe kidney disease should not follow the diet. It also cautions that the weight-loss phases of the diet aren’t suitable for women who are pregnant or nursing. The Atkins diet recommends that you consult your doctor before starting the diet, especially if you have diabetes or gout or take diuretics, insulin or oral diabetes medications.
There are other risks associated with any commercial weight-loss diet:
?If you skip a face-to-face evaluation with your health care provider, you may be unaware of important medical concerns.
?The diet isn’t tailored to your specific situation, including your weight-loss goals and any health conditions you might have.
?A very restrictive menu may cause you to give up on your weight-loss goals.
?You may not get enough fiber on low-carb diets, which may increase your risk of constipation, certain kinds of cancer and other digestive problems.
?Unless you take a multivitamin or nutritional supplement, you may be at risk of certain nutritional deficiencies.”May 28, 2010 4:26 am at 4:26 am #714020
To all the health “know it alls”; -I’m really getting tired of trying to convince you to be healthy. I actually make money when people are sick, so I’m not doing this for myself. From Reuters:
” WASHINGTON – The high-fat Atkins diet can cause long-term damage to blood vessels, as well as some of the inflammation linked with heart and artery disease, U.S. researchers reported on Tuesday.
In contrast, low-fat regimens such as the South Beach and Ornish diets lowered cholesterol and appeared to benefit artery function, they said.
“It really is the Atkins diet that is the worst,” Dr. Michael Miller, director of preventive cardiology at the University of Maryland Medical Center in Baltimore, said in a telephone interview.
“The Atkins diet caused the LDL levels to go up by about 7 percent, whereas in the Ornish and South Beach diets … they went down 7 to 10 percent.”
Low density lipoprotein or LDL is the “bad” cholesterol that clogs blood vessels.
Various researchers have tested the benefits of the popular diets and reached wildly differing conclusions. Miller designed what he said was a unique approach — to see how people fared once they stopped losing weight on any of the diets.
Studies show that people usually lose weight rapidly on any diet if they follow it properly and the weight loss itself can cause cholesterol to plummet.
“When you lose weight everything looks good but after a while you plateau and you hit a maintenance stage,” said Miller, who presented his findings to a meeting of the American Heart Association in Orlando, Florida.
His team studied 18 people, each of whom completed a full month on each of the three diets. They were carefully monitored to ensure that they did not lose weight.
The Atkins diet was set to deliver 50 percent of calories as fat, the South Beach was 30 percent fat and the Ornish diet, designed by nutritionist Dr. Dean Ornish, was 10 percent fat.
While on each diet the volunteers were tested for levels of blood fats, including cholesterol and markers for inflammation.
The researchers used ultrasound scans to measure the flexibility and dilation of blood vessels and measured proteins in the blood that can indicate inflammation.
“Some markers of inflammation were increased by as much as 30 to 40 percent during the Atkins phase, whereas during the South Beach and Ornish phases, the markers either were stable or went down, some by as much as 15 to 20 percent,” Miller said.
Most studies have shown that diets that stress vegetables, low-fat sources of protein such as beans and legumes, and whole grains provide the best long-term weight loss. Many low-fat diets allow processed carbohydrates such as white flour, which have also been shown to be unhealthy, experts agree.
“We don’t recommend the Atkins diet,” Miller said. “Why not start out with a diet that will be healthier for you in the long run after weight loss?” “
Maybe you really don’t know everything about health, just because you read something on some natural health site or blog!May 28, 2010 3:47 pm at 3:47 pm #714021
About what you said:
“at least temporarily”.
Exactly! you are admitting like the clinics/associations keep
admitting and its going forward.
You wrote to long to answer all at once.June 3, 2010 7:01 am at 7:01 am #714022hereorthereMember
Health; If as you imnplied, you make money only, when people are sick then who is
making all the money from all these:
?face-to-face evaluations with their health care providers, consulting on their important medical concerns.
?Tailoring the diets to their specific situations, including weight-loss goals and any health conditions they might have?June 4, 2010 12:54 am at 12:54 am #714023
HOT -I was being faceitous. One of our main goals is to prevent disease.June 4, 2010 3:20 pm at 3:20 pm #714024Pashuteh YidMember
Chance, your denying that vaccines have eradicated many diseases is ludicrous, as Charlie Hall indicated.
Second, your claim that nutrients are different than chemicals is also strange. All the vitamins are chemicals, so does that make them bad for you? They are made from the same chemical elements as the things you call chemicals. We can produce many vitamins in the lab and there is no difference between the original and the lab product.
As far as whether natural products are better than synthetic products, there are harmful natural products as well, such as poisonous mushrooms, snake venom, poison ivy, etc.
All things are made from atoms which are all made from electrons, protons and neutrons. It takes great chochma to understand what combinations of atoms are good for you, and what are bad for you.
Is sodium good for you? Absolutely, as it functions in ionic transport which is how the nervous system conducts impulses to and from the brain.
Is nitrogen good for you, absolutely, as they are the components of amino acids which are the building blocks of all proteins which do all the important work in your body, such as construct the lens of your eye, the retina, transduce light into nerve impulses, replicate DNA, digest food, etc. etc. etc.
However, mix sodium and nitrogen, and you get sodium azide which is a deadly compound that is used as a preservative in labs.
Only expert biochemists can know for sure what is good for you and what is not, and they only know a small part of the story so far of how the body works, because it is so complex.
So while science doesn’t have all the answers, the quacks certainly don’t. Science has done great things so far, but has a long way to go yet.
The FDA tries its best to throughly test any product for safety and efficacy using sophisticated statistical methods and trials. While they may be wrong on occasion, it is far better than having a bunch of new-age food-fad gurus who do not know biochemistry making these decisions.June 10, 2010 9:35 pm at 9:35 pm #714026
I concluded like this! Someone who reads A lot, is sometime and might be that he is- still lacking the truth of information, because sometime is the truth with ‘One’ percent against the ‘Ninety Nine’ percent or so.
So the right way to do research is- only when you know how to sense Logic and so- corruption.
how’s about the 9-11 that it was who warned well in advance that it will come. But it got from one ear out of the other ear.
How about the Recession, A professor warned that it’s coming A long one. It fall into deaf ears, and was out of the blue and so was the previously mentioned.
And now! How about the Doctor(s) (you guys will know) that it’s coming an Epidemic of Diabetes etc. if we continue the High Carb.- Low Fat diet. Period.June 11, 2010 4:09 am at 4:09 am #714027
To sam -Atkin’s diet was so great -he lived a very “long” life. No one here said eat high carb & low fat. It was posted -Low carb & low fat.June 11, 2010 4:26 pm at 4:26 pm #714028
Low carb. I mean- Under 100 grams per day.June 13, 2010 4:20 pm at 4:20 pm #714029
How old was Dr. Atkin when he died?June 13, 2010 6:37 pm at 6:37 pm #714030
I don’t know. (I am not so technical) But like I told you before that we’re learning from his Mistakes.June 13, 2010 6:51 pm at 6:51 pm #714031
Addition to that! How in the world people eat “Low Fat” in addition to “Low Carb.” Most probably they’re going CRAZY. If not, they’re spending for Psychologists (not eating the worlds implemented food from haShem- no snacking).June 13, 2010 7:06 pm at 7:06 pm #714032
dr atkins died from an injury on his head, he fell in the snow, it doesn’t have to do anything with colesterolJune 13, 2010 7:17 pm at 7:17 pm #714033
Sam -they might not be enjoying themselves, but at least they are healthy.June 13, 2010 7:47 pm at 7:47 pm #714034
Since when there is no Enjoyment in Eating, Naturally???June 13, 2010 7:57 pm at 7:57 pm #714035
They can enjoy what they eat. I was responding to your statement.
There are plenty of foods which are low fat and low carbs and are very enjoyable!June 13, 2010 8:02 pm at 8:02 pm #714036
I’ts very few!!!???
In other words We just got aware (after A few thousand years) that
there is much less food in the world?June 13, 2010 8:03 pm at 8:03 pm #714037
“There are plenty of foods which are low fat and low carbs and are very enjoyable!”
for example?June 13, 2010 8:20 pm at 8:20 pm #714038
Sam -I don’t get what you’re saying.
Tralala- Ever hear of the vegetable section in the supermarket? I personally like tomatos and lettuce.June 13, 2010 8:22 pm at 8:22 pm #714039
Philosophy! Imagine one day, the GREENS will come up with an idea that
to be in A heated room is Not Healthy OR Dangerous. It will get implemented with very strong Brainwashes and substitutes like it was on the High Saturated Fat (substituted with Trans Fat in the beginning).June 13, 2010 8:54 pm at 8:54 pm #714040
Sam -Ok, you’re right -High fat isn’t dangerous. That’s what you want to hear, isn’t it?June 13, 2010 8:57 pm at 8:57 pm #714041
WOW! One course of the plate, Where is the others.
Are you talking about Vegetarians maybe!?June 13, 2010 8:57 pm at 8:57 pm #714042
health, you’re right, but you can’t live on them, it’s good for a noshJune 13, 2010 9:22 pm at 9:22 pm #714043
To Health- YES. And I will repeat what I asked you in the other thread.
According to statistics how many people died direct from it – in France.June 13, 2010 9:28 pm at 9:28 pm #714044
Sam & tralala- I’m not a nutrionalist, but I know of a web site that does food planning. I’m not pushing this one over others, just I know about this one. Reader’s Digest has a site called Change One. Here they help people lose or maintain their weight. They even have a section for diabetics. I don’t know how much they charge, but I trust these people for accuracy. Their recipes include all sorts of different types of food, not just veggies!June 13, 2010 9:34 pm at 9:34 pm #714045
Sam -why don’t you tell us? No wait a minute -let me guess? Eh -NONE! No matter what I say -you ain’t changing -so why should I waste my time?!June 24, 2010 5:44 pm at 5:44 pm #714046
Does anyone know why I would have a low HDL if I:
Am relatively young (in my twenties)
Exercise regularly (I’m at the gym 5 days a week)
Eat pretty healthy (Margarine doesn’t exist in my house; nor does egg yolk. Don’t drink alcohol. Eat a lot of fiber [fortified cereals, fruits and vegetables]. Don’t eat cake/cookies.)
Can it just be genetics?? My LDLs are fine.June 24, 2010 5:50 pm at 5:50 pm #714047
yes, geneticsJune 24, 2010 5:53 pm at 5:53 pm #714048
My question was really more, is there anything I can do about it? If it’s simply a matter of genetics, then obviously the answer is no.June 24, 2010 6:09 pm at 6:09 pm #714049
The answer isn’t necessarily no.
The answer might be that you don’t NEED to do anything about it. Since you are living a healthy lifestyle, that would be MY answer to you. What exactly those various numbers mean is not nearly as well understood as medical practitioners would have you believe. Although they think they know exactly what the numbers mean, but they always think that (until, as is so often the case, they are again proven wrong).
But according to conventional medical wisdom, many would tell you that you need to go on statins.June 24, 2010 6:57 pm at 6:57 pm #714050
Thank you, 80June 25, 2010 8:18 am at 8:18 am #714051A600KiloBearParticipant
If your HDL (GOOD cholesterol) is too LOW, you can get, over the counter SLO-Niacin (a strong dose of a B vitamin that releases slowly into your system). One glass of red wine before bedtime is also a good thing. These are big helps to raise the good cholesterol level.
Just do not wash down the niacin pill with the wine as I did once before switching to statins. The pain was such that I believed I had a burst appendix which in Moscow at that time was a death sentence, and I literally almost said vidui until I realized what caused the problem.June 27, 2010 4:51 am at 4:51 am #714052
Mod -80 -I don’t know anybody who would tell her to go on statins first. Also, acc. to conventional medical wisdom, she might not need to be treated at all with meds unless she has a fam Hx of CAD and a HDL of <45mg. Are you retired?
From Medicinenet: “HDL cholesterol: Lipoproteins, which are combinations of lipids (fats) and proteins, are the form in which lipids are transported in the blood. The high-density lipoproteins transport cholesterol from the tissues of the body to the liver so it can be gotten rid of (in the bile). HDL cholesterol is therefore considered the “good” cholesterol. The higher the HDL cholesterol level, the lower the risk of coronary artery disease.
Even small increases in HDL cholesterol reduce the frequency of heart attacks. For each 1 mg/dl increase in HDL cholesterol there is a 2 to 4% reduction in the risk of coronary heart disease. Although there are no formal guidelines, proposed treatment goals for patients with low HDL cholesterol are to increase HDL cholesterol to above 35 mg/dl in men and 45 mg/dl in women with a family history of coronary heart disease; and to increase HDL cholesterol to approach 45 mg/dl in men and 55 mg/dl in women with known coronary heart disease.
The first step in increasing HDL cholesterol levels is life style modification. Regular aerobic exercise, loss of excess weight (fat), and cessation of cigarette smoking cigarettes will increase HDL cholesterol levels. Moderate alcohol consumption (such as one drink a day) also raises HDL cholesterol When life style modifications are insufficient, medications are used. Medications that are effective in increasing HDL cholesterol include nicotinic acid (niacin), gemfibrozil (Lopid), estrogen, and to a lesser extent, the statin drugs.”June 27, 2010 5:13 am at 5:13 am #714053
the.nurse- Another thing you can do for your heart health is to eat fatty fish and other sources of omega-3’s. From JAMA 2002:
“Conclusion- Among women, higher consumption of fish and omega-3 fatty acids is associated with a lower risk of CHD, particularly CHD deaths.”June 28, 2010 1:53 pm at 1:53 pm #714055
Thank you for that last suggestion – I am not willing to go on meds at this point in my life, but I can definitely start taking omega 3 fish oil pills as a supplement.
Re: the lifestyle modifications you wrote about really wouldn’t apply; as I stated before, I exercise, eat healthy, don’t smoke, and am a healthy weight. I can’t stand alcohol (I get a headache) so that’s pretty much ruled out. However, since I do have a family history of high cholesterol, starting with the Omega 3’s may be a good idea.
Thank you!June 29, 2010 3:55 am at 3:55 am #714057
Nurse- You can actually eat the fish, not just take fish oil pills.June 29, 2010 1:17 pm at 1:17 pm #714058
I know, but I hate fish 🙂June 29, 2010 7:39 pm at 7:39 pm #714059AinOhdMilvadoParticipant
To the Nurse and others who hate fish. I do too. But you should be aware that fish oil capsules, like the (kosher) sofgel ones from MaxiHealth (or other Kosher companies) have NO fish taste at all. ALSO – NEWSFLASH! -> There are Omega-3 caps made from a plant (not fish) source (the sage plant specifically) that are made in Israel. Google “Marvalous sage omega-3” to get more info. (NO, I didn’t spell marvalous wrong, – Marva is sage in Ivrit)June 29, 2010 7:57 pm at 7:57 pm #714060AinOhdMilvadoParticipant
Nurse- low HDL is as bad as high LDL. Glad you got your ldl under control, but now go buy “SLO-Niacin” (you can even get a coupon online). I took it every day for a couple of months and it raised my HDL about 20%!!! I’m still taking it and (per my Dr.) have increased from 500mg to 750mg to get my HDL even higher.
Note: regular niacin tablets can often cause flushing (your face and skin feel red and hot) and/or itching. The SLO-niacin, as the name suggests, enters your system slowly, and I have had not had these problems. These tablets also have a score line on them, so IF you do have these reactions, you can easily break them in half, and take one half in the morning and the other later in the day.June 29, 2010 8:15 pm at 8:15 pm #714061
Niacin should be taken under medical guidance only!November 29, 2010 11:55 pm at 11:55 pm #714062
H’ashem Y’ishmereinu! The scary Medication JUST for Cholesterol???
No time for tech. details now. (I’m just relying on A most prominent and responsible Nutritionist).
Do what I did for High LDL. Low Carb. and High (saturated) Fat diet.
After A few tests I got rid of Med. and remained so for more than a year B”H PERIOD!!!!!!!November 30, 2010 12:08 am at 12:08 am #714063
I will not be surprised if with the time you’ll see such controversial topics on ‘WIKI LEAKS’ about the corruption it’s going on in the Health field too.November 30, 2010 2:15 am at 2:15 am #714064
Sam – If everyone went to a nutritionist and followed what they said, a lot of people could quit their meds. But they won’t, will they? You blame people’s lack of will power on the medical field. It’s very convenient for you to have a scapegoat for all the world’s problems. Blame us if you want, but most normal people know the truth!November 30, 2010 9:45 pm at 9:45 pm #714065
Health – If everyone went to a nutritionist and followed what they said….
I pointed out “The most prominent and RESPONSIBLE Nutritionist” which is controversial.
…but most normal people know the truth.
Exactly! From the word “Most” people, it comes the answer. The system is only with the Most’s and is wide, but it can still be considered A System who’re just following corruption because lack of knowledge.November 30, 2010 10:27 pm at 10:27 pm #714066
I’m sorry! I’m not blaming Doctors in general. There’s is lot of sources one within the other and don’t know who is the blame. Maybe Corruption is the right word.November 30, 2010 11:40 pm at 11:40 pm #714067
the people are certainly ultimately responsible to live properly
but the medical profession is not without a whole lot of blame
in general they talk a lot about “lifestyle” but are not really committed to the idea
they generally prefer to throw some pills at the “patient”.
thats the bulk
there are of course some exceptions
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