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  • #2074085
    Shalom-al-Israel
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    Hours before the attack in Bnei Brak: a venomous and hallucinatory headline in Haaretz

    בחדרי חרדים:
    שעות לפני הפיגוע בבני ברק: כותרת ארסית והזויה ב’הארץ’
    חזקי ניימן, כ”ז אדר ב תשפ”ב 30/03/2022

    Excerpt:
    “I wonder what would have happened if, instead of the undercovers in a restaurant in Hadera, there were some yeshiva students who specialize in Torah studies. Would the event have ended with only two dead even then?” To his readers, some of them may even be potential terrorists since a few hours later, two of the sons of the city of Bnei Brak were killed in a brutal attack.

    There were those who blamed Shtrasler no less than responsibility for the attack in Bnei Brak and commented on the network: “It turns out that the terrorist who committed a murderous terror in Bnei Brak today reads the newspaper and the Haaretz website. Otherwise there is no explanation for his geographical choice in committing the heinous and despicable act. “Nehemiah Shtrasler, Hamas and Jihad thank you.”

    Another surfer reacted bitterly after the horror that took place in Bnei Brak and wrote: “First publication: The Shtrasler battalions took responsibility for the attack in Bnei Brak.”

    MK Moshe Abutbul responded on Twitter last night: “The people of Israel are in pain, a shocking attack, God, the blood of his slaves will be shed. Amen. “His constant from Abbas & Co. in the coalition. Hopefully, now that he has been killed by an ultra-Orthodox, journalist Nehemiah Stresler from the (Am) Haaretz newspaper has calmed down from the blood flowing like water.”

    #2074297
    ToShma
    Participant

    I have seen today pictures how they throw that Haaretz newspaper in bnei beraq on the floor. Understandable..

    #2074460
    Shalom-al-Israel
    Participant

    This is from YWN Feb.12.13 on this Shtrasler:

    Eichler & Ze’ev Lash Out at Latest Shtrasler Opinion Piece

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    And:

    Not content with 32 casualties: Nehemiah Shtrasler is hungry for ultra-Orthodox blood

    While the people of Israel are united around the concern for the safety of IDF fighters in Gaza, journalist Nehemiah Shtrasler chooses to incite against the ultra-Orthodox public. “Antisemitic audacity and tone.”

    Yishai Cohen, Kikar haShabat, 24.07.14.

    #2074634
    ujm
    Participant

    Haaretz is the Zionist version of Der Sturmer.

    #2074635
    ujm
    Participant

    Haaretz is the Zionist version of Der Sturmer.

    #2074724
    Marxist
    Participant

    “Haaretz is the Zionist version of Der Sturmer.”

    There is a sickening tendency of some to compare things to the Nazis or the Holocaust. It really downplays the greatest crime in human history. To see it on a Jewish site is really sad.

    #2074773
    huju
    Participant

    To the opening poster, Shalom-al-Israel: I cannot make sense of what you posted. I would guess that English is not your first or second language.

    #2074910
    Shalom-al-Israel
    Participant

    Huju.

    Replace ‘hallucinatory’ with ‘surreal’ in the rush translation of Behadrei.
    Gut Voch.

    #2074935
    ToShma
    Participant

    I still remember the horrific cartoons Haaretz drew at Covid days.

    #2074966
    ujm
    Participant

    Marxist: The Zionists collaborated with the Nazis. For example, Rudolf Kastner with Adolf Eichmann.

    #2074996
    commonsaychel
    Participant

    @ujm, Yup and that collaboration saved the Satmar Rebbe.
    PS while we are on the subject I find the whole massive Kof Aleph party repugnant, how can one make a massive party about the saving of one person when six million people died.

    #2075181
    chugibugi
    Participant

    Haaretz, is almost as anti-Semitic and anti Israel, as Satmar’s two mouthpieces “DER YID and DER BLATT”

    #2075178
    Harryyid13
    Participant

    Ummm he was in bnei brack because he worked on a job site there, I think your looking too deep.

    #2075059
    Mindful
    Participant

    This whole discussion is really disturbing. A Jew is a Jew, whether the person is in bnei brak, chadera, or wyoming.

    #2075223
    Shalom-al-Israel
    Participant

    [אנו משכימים והם משכימים… והבדילנו מן התועים..]

    Now to the beautiful side:

    Israel Cohen (@Israelcohen911) Tweeted:

    An exciting and strengthening Shabbat passed over the neighborhoods of Kiryat Herzog and Pardes Katz and the city of Bnei Brak in general. Hundreds of Mispalelim filled the place of the murder, where the Berdychiv community organized an exciting Carlebach-style Shabbos-night davening attended by masses of residents from all denominations and circles.

    Apr 2, ’22

    #2076755
    Shalom-al-Israel
    Participant

    Behadrey Chareidim’s journalist today:

    משה ויסברג (@moshe_nayes) Tweeted:

    (Apr 7, 2022)

    I do not understand why Shtrasler is not taken out of bed to capture the terrorist and done.

    #2077077
    ujm
    Participant

    CS: Rudolf Kastner is responsible for the genocide of 500,000 Hungarian Jews. Whereas he had ample opportunity to notify Hungarian Jewry what Adolf Eichmann was planning against them, as Kastner was intimately familiar with his genocidal plans and on friendly terms with Eichmann, instead he negotiated one train worth of rescue — that 90% was filled with his immediate and extended family and Zionist colleagues whereas the other 10% he sold for profit, including a seat sold at full price to the Rebbe.

    Even the Israeli courts recognized the treason this quisling Kastner committed against his fellow Jews and he was dully assassinated by a Holocaust survivor, in Israel, for his murderous collaboration.

    #2077211
    Historian
    Participant

    To UJM, please do not rewrite history.
    The murders of the Hews were ONLY Gernan Nazis and their Euroean active helpers. Period.

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    Sure there were individuals that tried to bring over from Europe and did rescue some 80,000 German Jews. It was controversial even among the Zionists and even these, paid the Brits to ban Eichmann from staying in Palestine in his secret 1937 tour – all before it was known the Final Solution that was declared in Wannsee Conference in 1941 and most of the world did not know of the ongoing wholesale slaughter till 1942

    “Collaboration” isn’t an accurate term on Zionists as a whole. And there was Kastner’s case, still debated till today.
    But it was not about admiring the Axis’ ideology such as on the opposite side of the Zionists, the Arabs.

    I’m not here to defend the Zionists and their record, but it’s still, all not related to:

    * Active help by Arab Palestine LEADERSHIP al-Husseini, the Mufti ym”s and his entire entourage of hundreds including Jamal Husseini and Ahmad Shukeiri who later on (1964) established the PLO.

    * 1935, the Mufti ym”s with Jamal Husseini established the Futuwwa HitlerJugend type.

    * At least since 1936, he, the leadership collaborated, got arms from Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy to attack Jews and Brits.

    * The Mufti ym”s active intervention against rescue thousands of European children from reaching Mandatory Palestine, instead, they were sent to death r”l.

    * There were several Arabs from Syria/Palestine serving at concentration camps.

    * Shukeiri wrote in his book, he and all around him rejoiced, prayed for, at every victory step by A.H. ym”s against the allies, ever since 1941.

    * His incitement, push, Fascists Futuwwah FARHOUD pogrom on Iraqi Jews, on Shavuot 5701 (June/41), in which some estimate, upto 1,000 Jews could have perished.

    * Mufti ym”s meeting A H. Ym”s Nov/28/41 who told him: “The Jews are yours. ”

    * Mufti ym”s Radio broadcasts to the entire Arab, Muslim world to: “kill the J…s wherever they are, this please Allah.” (Radio, at the time was THE most powerful media that reached all. Entire families used to gather around it, and if didn’t have, had visited those that had).

    * 80% of (mandatory) Palestine Arabs supported the Fascists Axis per 1941 poll.

    * Historian H. Erlich: all major newspapers in Palestine supported the Fascists, full of admiration of A.H. ym”s.

    * Upon hearing plight of Jews in Europe, most Arabs in (Mandatory) Palestine cheered it, reported Mr Cohen (1942).

    * Mufti ym”s led Moslem SS units, committing atrocities.

    * Asides from his joint Arab-Nazi Atlas Operation – according to some, to poison some 250,000 Tel Aviv residents.

    * And of course the Mufti Ym”s plan to erect crematoria in the Dotan Valley “as soon” as he expected the Nazis to reach Israel Palestine, which they failed in Al Alamein battle, B”H.

    * 1946, Ahmad Shukeiri [Shukairy] and Jamal al-Husseini justified the slaughter of 6,000,000 Jews Kdoshim hy”d.

    * Ever since the 1950s, A.H. book in Arabic has been most popular – rather in the Arab world, and a best seller in Ramallah since 1999.

    * 2014 and 2020, per ADL, 93% of Arabs in West Bank and Gaza are anti-Semitic.

    * Last year, an activist fluent in Arabic (E.C.) asked on social media to his close to half a million of followers on their feeling of A H., most justified him.

    #2077227
    ToShma
    Participant

    Re#2077077

    Did anti-zionism fanaticism caused @ujm to just deny partially the Holocaust?

    I can’t believe that someone who supposedly is a religious Yid would snatch the guilt out of the real culprits Nazis, and their helpers: Vidkun Quisling, the Belgians had Leon Degrelle, the Dutch Waffen-SS unit, the Ukrainian Stepan Bandera, the Russian General Andrey Andreyevich Vlasov and Azov Battalion…

    דו ברענגסט שנאת ישראל
    ה’ ישמרנו.

    #2077250
    ujm
    Participant

    Rudolf Kastner was a quisling traitor who openly and unabashedly collaborated with the Nazis, and specifically with his smoking/coffee buddy Adolf Eichmann, who he was on intimate terms with and on a first-name basis, welcome to his office unannounced at any time.

    You don’t need me to tell you any of this, it’s all documented in the Vrba-Wetzler Report, by Aushwitz escapees Alfréd Wetzler and Rudolf Vrba, who personally handed Kastner the report of what the Germans were doing to Polish Jews and were still planning to do to Hungarian Jews. As Vrba and Wetzler testified, Kastner ignored them and their report, refused to pass the information to Hungarian Jewry before the Nazis loaded them unto the trains to Aushwitz and instead buried the report and information.

    #2077282
    Historian
    Participant

    Copy pasting about debated Kastner does not exempt the poster from being required to ask Mechile from 500,000 yiden….

    #2077284
    ujm
    Participant

    There’s no way for Kastner to receive mechila from the 500,000 Yidden he sold to Eichmann.

    #2077293
    ToShma
    Participant

    Had it occurred to @ujm that are maybe some overhead who had family who parished and hurt by his gross exaggeration? Shall I explain in magyar?
    פארשטייסט טאקען נישט.

    #2077516
    ujm
    Participant

    ToShma: My descriptions so far have only been the tip of iceberg of the crimes Kastner committed against the Jewish people. There’s so much more to add, not the least of which was that even AFTER THE WAR when the Nazis had been defeated, Kastner went to the Nuremberg war crimes trials to testify ON BEHALF OF and IN DEFENSE OF his Nazi friends on trial. One of which whom he successfully helped win an acquittal.

    Jobb, ha jiddisül magyarázod.

    #2077532
    ToShma
    Participant

    @ujm
    Heading your advice, in Hingerish…
    יעדע תיבה ווערט נראה ביי אונזערע שונאים וד”ל.
    (איך שראב בכוונה גראזיק בנוסף צו לה”ק אז סזאל נישט זיין גרינג מיט גאגל…אפצושטאטשן.והמבין…)

    #2077554
    smerel
    Participant

    >>>Haaretz is the Zionist version of Der Sturmer.

    You would be hard pressed to find a more ANTI Zionst publication than Haaretz

    #2077556
    ToShma
    Participant

    Per ujm
    נישט נאר רבנוהק’ זצ”ל נאר אפילו דאמב וואט נישט גישריגן דאס בקול רם כלפי העולם כולו. ווען ועסטו חאפן אז נישט נאר ‘עמנו, בנ”י’ זעען דאס… להשתמש בהם….ממשיכי דרכו של הצורר וואס חאפן זיך צו דאנעווערטר.

    #2077579
    Shalom-al-Israel
    Participant

    Smerel is right that Haaretz is (also) no.1 anti-Zionist. since at least 2000.

    But it’s mainly anti Frum Jews, always was. For all those decades.

    When it’s forced to apologize for (intentional) SCREAMING ‘errors,’ it does so quietly… and AFTER damage was done.

    #2077624
    ujm
    Participant

    ToShma: Everything I’ve said on this topic has been a matter of the public record for the last over 70 years. The American media (i.e. Time’s Life Magazine, among many others) have reported Kastner’s relationship with Eichmann in the very early 1950s. In the early 1960s there was the famous court trial in Israel, where all this information was presented and well reported to the public at large. There’s nothing that Goyim reading this will learn that hasn’t been widely reported.

    #2077731
    ToShma
    Participant

    כאו”א האט גיליינט יענעם פרשה אלץ קינד.. מוסיף חטא על פשע. אדער פארשטייסט נישט וויזוי גוגל ארבעט צו הערן דיין החלטה איבר דעם אלץ א פרומער…דערמנטס דעם גימל ווארט צו אלע צרות. אזויוי צום וואנט, נעבעך. וויסט נאך אלץ נישט וייזוי שונאינו ארבייטן.

    Ujm, Everyone read that debated old story. You won’t change by your personal opinion, motivated out of hatred. Even if you repeat it again and again.

    #2077786
    ujm
    Participant

    These aren’t opinions, these are well established facts. Denying them is not unlike other forms of Holocaust denial. When Holocaust deniers rear their ugly heads, it is the obligation of all good citizens to set the historical record straight. This form of Holocaust denial is no different.

    The Gedolei Yisroel zt’l insisted that these facts be stated loud and clear for all the public to hear, know and remember.

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