How do you shecht a giraffe when your heart is black?

the songs made today by yidden are TERRIBLY SICK & are coming straight from the goyim, taking our frum children to C”V follow the ways of the goyim R”L

where are our tierre torah children gonna be holding in frumkeit in 10 years from now? can YOU assist me? im too afraid to even think about it, & then everyone will wonder where it came from.

remove these new types of music (from goyish rock to jazz etc…) from your mikdash me’at ASAP. how can YOU expect Hashem to rest in it among you & your family if this type of music is in your home?

May Hashem open up your eyes ASAP to see whats really happening so you will remove it ASAP before its too late & innocent frum children get hurt.

(One thing Jewish musicians have so far not copied from

non-Jewish musicians is non-indicative song titles.)

Seeing as he liked Rabbi Luft’s booklet,

he’d probably recommend Rabbi Luft’s CD.

Mashiach Agent:

Do you really think that if a Jewish child receives a good chinuch

from parents they have a good relationship with, except that the

Jewish music that you don’t approve of is played in their home,

that child is more likely to develop bad middos and/or do aveiros

than a child who grows up under the same circumstances, but

without the music that you don’t approve of?

Music is very personal tastes, what one person thinks is noise, others like and what one person might thinks as calm and nice, others think as boring and puts one to sleep

(“Rocken” is not a word in the English language.)

when you say “music that you don’t approve of” instead

of saying inappropriate music is that your way of…?

It’s my way of saying that what he is talking

about is not objectively “inappropriate music.”

Take that as you will, keeping in mind that you

probably listen to music he doesn’t approve of.

I like calm, beautiful music and fast excited music depending on my mood. Both have their place.

You missed my point, Music is like anything else, nobody can tell you what to like or not to like, its all personal taste. Like what you like and enjoy it

Edit: Well, this was a useless post.

The music he approves of is “nice & calm beautiful music,” and most

people don’t limit their listening to songs under a certain speed,

so there you go.

In this case, I said “probably,” so being right is a matter of

whether it’s a reasonable assumption, not whether you actually

listen to music he doesn’t approve of, so I’m not going to ask if

you listen to any songs which use the tune from a non-Jewish song,

which is something he definitely does not approve of.

(You could be unaware of it…)

You answered a question I didn’t ask,

and I’m not answering a question you did ask,

so we’re about even. (I think it’s a silly question.)

(I did not mean that I could have answered the question without

you being aware of it, I meant that you could be unaware that

a song you listen to took its tune from a non-Jewish song.

You would not need to be stupid not to know it.)

Do you ever wonder if you are right,

or are you just comfortable knowing you could be right?

Let’s rephrase that: Being aware that you could be wrong,

do you wonder if you’re actually wrong, or is it enough

for you that you already have an opinion?

I think that’s a silly question.

(Perhaps the question was meant to be whether I

am aware of the possibility of my being wrong.

I think that’s a silly question as well.)

(I don’t know if you saw the first or second version of my last post…)

there is no indication on your part that you are wanting a

response or validation, or that there would even be one.

I just assume that if anyone disagrees or wants to clarify or

respond in any other way, they will do so without having been asked.

This is, after all, a message board. If I was a mod and I closed

threads after posting in them, or if I said things on the phone

and then hung up, that would have been a reasonable statement.

are YOU willing to risk your childrens frumkeit & torah just so you could liten to this jazz music copied from a goyish singer?

then don’t be upset or surprised when your children C”V become KAR or OTD.

as a parent you are on the job 24-7 as a role model for your children who follow in your ways 7 assume that all that dad does is proper, frum & approved for a frum family.

i was not trying to say you are not a good conversationalist. I was trying to get your perspective on something you do that i took note of and mentioned in your deleted thread. the opportunity arose so i thought i would ask about it.

are YOU willing to risk your childrens frumkeit & torah just so you could liten to this jazz music copied from a goyish singer?

(A. It’s just “jazz.”

B. Have you ever heard any actual jazz?)

C. Please find me a sefer by an acknowledged halachic authority

or spiritual leader that says that there is a problem with jazz,

or with using a tune composed by a non-Jew. Until then, I reserve

the right to not consider them a threat to anyone’s Yiddishkeit.

D. The question was to be understood as “Just how serious are you about this?”

I can’t find any Kusiel Ball records in the music store.

I wonder why. Is this whole thing an inside joke?

By the way, “Bubby I Love You” is a real song. Here’s a transcription:

Happy Mother’s Day to you

I love you very much

You’re the best thing in my life

You’re always there for me

[Chorus:

Bubby I love you

Happy Mother’s Day

Bubby I love you

You help me find my way]

You show me your love

And I thank you for that

With all your hugs and kisses

You make me feel so loved

[Chorus]

I know you love me too

You show me your love with just one[?] [inaudible]

You love me for who I am

And that makes me feel so good

[Chorus]

You would probably know, then, that I wouldn’t be likely to realize it…

if my assumptions were correct.

you reached out for help and seemed overwhelmed by the responses,and deleted the thread. i am not one to move on from scenarios like that without knowing things are moving forward. That you reached beyond google (which seems to have mislead you)and someone in your life is helping.

(btw – that comment made by that ‘specialist’ was documented, not meanspirited. it’s just the way it is. inverse relationship between e and iq)

Music has a serious effect on ones neshama (for good or bad)

Let’s accept this for argument’s sake.

and contains in it part of the neshama/soul/intentions of the composer

Music is notes. When a musician plays a song, how does the

neshama/soul/intention of the composer get into the notes

that are being produced by his instrument?

you reached out for help and seemed overwhelmed by the responses,and deleted the thread

I just thought the thread had run its course and

didn’t feel like having it out there permanently.

(Maybe I was too impatient for the CR’s pace.)

i am not one to move on from scenarios like that without knowing things are moving forward.

It’s not what you were taught, eh? Well, they’re not. :/

That you reached beyond google (which seems to

have misled you)and someone in your life is helping

When I said that it had been considered, I meant

“by a professional,” not “I’ve considered it.”

that I took note of and mentioned in your deleted thread

that comment made by that “specialist”

I don’t think I saw that post. Are you sure it was approved?

If so, it may have been posted between when I requested the

deletion and when it actually happened, while I wasn’t there.

I can’t help you with getting it for free, but you asked for a book by a legitimate author saying that there’s something wrong with music composed by a non-Jew, and that’s one.