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  • #1921819
    Gadolhadorah
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    With tonight’s Federal Court decision in Pennsylvania rejecting all the Trump arguments, along with yesterday’s Georgia certification and the same outcome Monday in Michigan, its clear to everyone that this circus is over. That is clear to everyone, except the Trumpkopf, who I suspect knows the outcome but has his own psychological and financial incentives to drag it out a bit longer. So does anyone have an idea HOW it will end. We know it will not be a statesmanlike concession coupled with a graceful meeting with Biden. Will he simply fly down to Mar aLago and never return for the Biden inauguration letting Pence run the show for the final few weeks (while he focuses on a pardons)? Will he try to salvage a sliver of his legacy by acknowledging the outcome while insisting there was likely some fraud that might have influenced the outcome? Or will he fight on until January 20th forcing the secret service to literally drag him down the WH driveway and fly him out of town while Biden is being sworn in across town at the Capital? How does this movie end?

    #1921836
    bored guy
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    it’s not a movie, only in your brain it is. actually nothing like that is going to happen trump will just leave in 60 days. you clearly need to get in touch with reality and stop fantasizing what you want to happen.

    #1921903
    Abba_S
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    Biden will be sworn in in January and has until the midterm elections to solve the Covid pandemic and get the economy back on track otherwise the Democrats lose Congress.

    #1921956
    TGIShabbos
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    Gadol, what are you looking forward to most? De-criminizing illegal immigration? Reinstating Palestinian funding? Trying to stack the court with left wing Brandeis educated Jewish #Metoo nominees? Refunding Iran? Getting rid of capital punishment for mass murderers? How about eliminating gasoline? Biden is a centrist and a Democrat like you. The D party as a whole is far more left and radical than your 60′ JFK style of politics. AOC and Saunders are the future of the party, and that’s how I see this “movie”. (Oh, and children in cages? That started under President Obama)

    #1921971
    Gadolhadorah
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    Gadol: what are you looking forward to most?

    Restoring some normalcy and civility to our political system and removing the stench emanating from the oval office.
    And yes, elections do have consequences, as the Trumpkopf has reminded us for the past 3 1/2 years. I would expect that Biden will reverse many of the Executive Orders that have been issued by Trump as he can w/o having to go through a full APA rulemaking procedure. Some I agree with, others not but many of us feel the net change will be a vast improvement for our country. Clearly, others don’t.

    #1921972
    CTLAWYER
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    @TGIShabbos
    #1 Who is Saunders???????????????
    #2 AOC is a fringe member of the party, she gets news coverage, but has little power in the party.
    #3 President Elect Biden has announced no plans to stack the SCOTUS with anyone. Congress, alone sets the size of the Court and I doubt the Senate would approve.
    #4 Brandeis educated SCOTUS members, highly doubtful generally IVY league appointees, not counting the unqualified Amy Conan Barrett who went to Notre Dame Law School and Rhodes College.
    #5 I’d like to get rid of Capital Punishment, period,
    #6 No one has called for eliminating gasoline, just reducing our dependence on petroleum based fuels. In the past two years, I’ve installed solar on the houses in the compound and reduced carbon footprint and emissions by more than 90%. Our local electric supplier uses oil for almost 100% of its electricity production.
    #6 Perhaps the immigration laws should be changed? Did all of your forebears arrive legally in the USA? My Great Great Grandfather didn’t. His parents could not get enough visas for all their children so he was listed as a twin to the next older sibling. Twins only needed one visa at that time. Better that than being killed in the pogroms that hit his village in 1880 not long after he arrived in America.
    #6 The President cannot fund Iran or the Palestinians, Congress has to pass funding bills. In the aftermath of the mishandled Pandemic, i don’t think that will be a priority.

    What am I looking forward to most? the removal of the grifter Trump family and his band of thieves from any power in America. A return to civility, and

    #1921996
    Ari256
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    I have the same question. But helps to remember that Donald was doing the same thing before he became president (birther movement etc.).

    #1922016
    bk613
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    CTlawyer
    #1 You know exactly who he is referring to. Give me a break.
    #2 polls (yougov) show that both AOC and Sanders are more popular than Biden among millennials and Sanders is more popular than Biden when adjusted for all (voter eligible) age groups. Yes, Biden may be a moderate/centrist Democrat but you can’t pretend than progressives are insignificant players in the party. Sanders and AOC have both said they believe they can, and intend on pushing Biden to the left. Hopefully Biden has the wherewithal to stand up to them and not go off the deep end.
    #3 Biden refused to answer the question despite being asked about it multiple times because he didn’t want to alienate the progressive left who he needed to get elected. (Another indication that the progressive wing isn’t insignificant and powerless)

    #1922038
    Gadolhadorah
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    Biden needs to get the country back on some degree of normalcy and will not entertain any efforts by his fringe lefties to push a crazy agenda. He will have a number of progressive women and minority appointments in agencies like Interior, Agriculture and HHS but will have steady, trusted and experienced appointees in DOD, State, DOJ and Treasury. He will have some “progressive” Day 1 decisions like restoring DACA status, signing notice of intent to rejoin the Paris accords etc. But he won’t remove Iran sanctions, outlaw all fossil fuel leasing on federal lands or “tear down” those few sections of the wall Trump was able to complete.
    Yes, there will be right/left tensions within the Democratic Party but I suspect they will be manageable.

    #1922243
    Abba_S
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    Key factors are, what happens after the states ratify the election results? Will Mitch McConnel and other high ranking Republicans attend Biden’s inauguaration? Will the Biden adminisration be able to use the covid-19 vaccines effectively to combat the pandemic? Will the Republicans control the Senate and will Biden have to fight for every appoinyment? Even if the Democrats win both senate seat runoff elections in Ga he still needs every democrats to vote party line which is not as easy as it seems.
    The question is, can he govern. He needs to solve the pandemic, Trump already gave him the vaccine all he has to do is distribute it and get the economy back with everyone going back to work. He has a little over a year to accomplish this before the midterm election season starts and he loses both houses of Congress.

    #1922411
    Gadolhadorah
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    The movie just ended. Trump just conceded (or as close as we will get) by ordering GSA to start the transition planning Tuesday AM.

    Chatzi hallel with shachris tomorrow AM??

    #1922415
    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    Oh good, your movie is over. Now we can finally hope for you to take some time out to regret the hours and days you’ve spent obssessing over this even after the election ended and you can return from the break with something to say on some other topic, finally, like you once used to do in the days of yore.

    Looking forward.

    #1922419
    CTLAWYER
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    @AbbaS
    Frankly the inauguration would be better if McConnel didn’t show his face.

    #1922457
    Gadolhadorah
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    “Oh good, your movie is over…”
    Syag: I’m thinking about a sequel so I have something else to obsess about. I’m open to suggestions….perhaps a docu-drama about a former President “transitioning” to life as a private citizen in the Sunshine State while under investigation by prosecutors in the Empire State. Does anyone know if Alex Baldwin is available? Possible title: Where the Sun Doesn’t Shine…..

    #1922462
    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    GH – Say it aint sooo!!!
    Please do me a favor. Run, don’t walk, to your nearest big pharmacy outlet and ask for a double shot of Trump derangement syndrome antidote! I’ll even pay for it!

    #1922485
    Gadolhadorah
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    Syag: It ain’t so..

    But thank you for your civility and humor in our exchanges over the past several months. I won’t get all misty and suggest we do a virtual duet of “kumbayah”.

    #1922546
    Abba_S
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    A key problem facing the Demicrats is will they follow Trump’s plan in regards to the vaccines. According to his plan by May 70% of the US will be vaccinated, giving the US herd immunity allowing the US economy to reopen. Democrats may have a slower approach in administratingthese vaccines.

    Another problem is gridlock and or government shutdown.

    As far as prosecuting Trump, he already was impeached and there was no smoking gun why do you think these other charges will be substaniated. If Biden is successful Trump will fade away but if he is prosecuted he wil have free publicty.

    #1922599
    Reb Eliezer
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    There is a Hungarian saying, the pitcher is taken to the well until it breaks. Trump overplayed his hand.

    #1922618
    Gadolhadorah
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    Reb E: A good Ungarishe friend who taught me her secret recipe for REAL Gefilte Fish (a good twitter tag, while I think of it) also had a saying appropriate for these times:
    A türelem rózsát teremt..” which literally means something like “patience creates roses” but more to the wisdom shown by Joe biden over the past 20 days, “good things ultimately come to those who display patience”,

    “Patience creates roses.”entce”.

    #1922647
    Reb Eliezer
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    GH, addig jár a korsó a kútra, míg el nem törik. literally, as long goes the pitcher to the well until it breaks, meaning, the pitcher is the made from breakable material and breaks eventually. Trump just broke.
    Your saying above, when cooking, you must wait for bushal kal tzarcha otherwise it is kemachel ben darusai, half cooked and no good as it says ki im tzeli esh, fully baked.

    #1922655
    Gadolhadorah
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    Reb E: Thanks for the vert on Ungarishe wisdom….they often get a bad rap and are the subject of not so funny expressions. Some day we should have a thread here in the CR on all things Ungarishe (the 10 greatest Ungarishe gadolim, your favorite ungarishe food, personal visits to Hungary and how did modern Hungary end up as the most pro-Trump state in Europe?)

    #1922658
    Reb Eliezer
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    GH, you know Rashi Bamidbar (14,44) on vayapilu laalos, loshan chozak, ingerish blaaz.

    #1922661
    Reb Eliezer
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    GH, Look at the Midrash Shmuel on Pirkei Avos (5,20) asking who wants a machlokus to stand? The Beis Shamai by showing an opposite view helped the Beis Hilel eliminate tunnel vision and arrive to the truth, so they also became praise worthy. The Beis Hilel, I think, because of their humility allowed the Beis Shamai to precede them to hear their view first. We will pasken leosid lavo like them. Where is the majority? I think, currently we don’t understand their stringencies but then umolo haaretz deah, we will come to a special understanding so the majority will follow the Beis Sbamai. Trump’s biggest problem is and was that he thinks he knows everything better than anyone else firing or pushing out all his best advisors as General Mattis.

    #1922665
    Reb Eliezer
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    The Hungarians are against immigrants as Trump. The Hungarian Revolution was October 23, 1956. My father, living in Sopron at the Austrian border, got involved in helping Jewish refugees to escape.
    We stayed in Hungary until February 12, 1957, Lincoln’s birthday being 9 years old. My father comes home at night and says, pack up we are leaving. He wanted to take a big family but was told that it was very dangerous, I will take you. We had to get into a last wagon of the train to exit unnoticed behind the train and hide in the bushes. We were met by two hungarian soldiers who took us to the border having to avoid search lights and there they left us on our own. We were walking on our own in no-mans land in plow-fields. Eventually we arrived in Austria. We stayed for 3 months in the Continental Hotel. Fom there we were taken to a dp camp in Upper Austria called Asten closed to Linz. We were there 2 1/2 years until we were able to America.

    #1922674
    Gadolhadorah
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    Reb E: Incredible story and thanks for sharing how, bachasdei hashem, you and your family were able to arrive in the U.S. Your postings add considerable substance to the CR exchanges as in the case here.

    #1922748
    Reb Eliezer
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    I tell an other incredible story how my mother a’h got saved in Aushwitz. The right side was life and the left death. My father was married before my mother to her sister. Having two young daughters she was sent to the left and my mother being 32 years old to the right by Mengele ym’s. My mother seeing this in order to be together with them, left the right side and went after them to the left side. Twice a german soldier pushed her back to the right. My father being saved from labor camp, Mauthausen, after the war, through a heter of two witnesses seeing his wife sent to the left, was able to marry my mother.

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