June 4, 2019 10:11 pm at 10:11 pm #1738196
Chasan Sofer started to become chasidish in my time.June 4, 2019 10:11 pm at 10:11 pm #1738183
My breed is a dying breed. The parents of these boys are chasidic younger than I am, so the boys are broughr up in a chasidic environment.June 4, 2019 10:11 pm at 10:11 pm #1738179
Chasan Sofer/Mattersdorf davens Sfard because the “old” Rov Z”L, on coming to America was rov in a Sfardishe shul, but privately, he davened Ashkenaz. The yeshiva follwed suit, & davened Sfard.
In Wien, the Rov – Rav Katz, is sefardish, in Williamsburg, the yungeleit minyanim, and any new moidad they daven Sfard. In Monsey & in BoroPark, they keep davening Ashkenaz, & say maarovis and yozros.June 4, 2019 11:13 pm at 11:13 pm #1738211
Can someone explain what Maaravit And Yotzrot are?June 5, 2019 12:16 am at 12:16 am #1738276
About yotzrot see Chavas Yair 238, Teshuva Meahava 1:1June 5, 2019 12:27 am at 12:27 am #1738270
YO, For Yotzrot see SA O’CH 68 and for Maaravit see Tosfos Brochos 11,1 ד’ה אחת MB 489,1 אור יום הנף said at night 2nd day pesach before shmonei esrei about sefiras haomer.June 5, 2019 8:17 am at 8:17 am #1738352
“Can someone explain what Maaravit And Yotzrot are?”
Piyuttim said in the birkas kiras shema and during the kiras hashatz. Sphardim don’t do it as they posken it’s a hefsek.
You’ll find them in most Ashkenazi Machzors even though ~100% of Ashkenaz-davening shuls/yeshivas in America have been mevatel the minhag on account of the Gra. Some do strictly on R”H and Yom Kippur, I believe.June 5, 2019 10:16 am at 10:16 am #1738379
Hungarian Jewry had one of the higher survival rates during the churban of the Holocaust among European Jews since there Nazis ym”s didn’t enter Hungary until 1944.
Rudolf Kastner threw hundreds of thousands of Hungarian Jews under the bus, in return for one train he received from his friend Adolf Eichmann ym”s, by not revealing to the public prior to the deportations to Aushwitz the Veba-Wetzler Report he received documenting the Nazi extermination.June 5, 2019 10:18 am at 10:18 am #1738489
It is also called קרובץ – קול רנה וישועה באהלי צדיקים, see the Bach in O’CH 68June 5, 2019 11:41 am at 11:41 am #1738516
NCB: not accurate. On YK there are things that are inserted into the chazarat hashatz. Plus not all Sephardim follow the same approach of hefsek as other Sephardim. There are many, many examples. The “Sephardic” community that most Americans (especially in NYC) are exposed to are Syrians. But there are other communities who have different Minhagim.
And not every Sephardic community (perhaps none) follow the SA 100%. Some follow Kabbalah and some rule in certain cases like, gasp, the Rama.June 5, 2019 11:41 am at 11:41 am #1738515
The Germans marched into Budapest March 19, 1944. Horthy officially stopped the deportation on July 8, 1944. The Arrow Cross kidnapped his son, so he was forced to resign. They took over leadership October 15, 1944.
They wanted to liquidate the Budapest Ghetto around 70,000 Jews. Raul Wallenberg saved it and was freed January 17, 1945. Carl Lutz and Raul Wallenberg saved half the Jewish population of Budapest around 125,000 people.June 5, 2019 11:41 am at 11:41 am #1738504
Joseph, In around 3 months (April 16, 1944 – July 8, 1944) they ym’s exterminated 437,000 Jews in Hungary.
Read The Politics of Genocide, The Holocaust in Hungary by Randolph L. Braham, Condensed EditionJune 5, 2019 3:41 pm at 3:41 pm #1738647
Why did you ask what Yotzros were if you clearly knew the answer? Just so that you could critique whatever response you got?
I have never heard of Sphardim saying yotzros on shabbos arba parshios, or shalash regalim. I could be wrong. Apparently, you’re the expert.
Laskern: the rule of thumb seems to be:
Call inserts into the birkas shema “piyutim”
Call inserts into krias hashatz on chagim “yotzros” (misnomer because the word comes from yotzer ohr)
Call inserts on Purim “krovetz.”
I don’t think there’s any rationale to that pattern; it just seems to be the trend.June 5, 2019 5:13 pm at 5:13 pm #1738687
I don’t know what Yotzrot are. Well now I do. Not criticizing, just saying that the comment that Sephardim don’t do them because of Hefsek isn’t accurate. There are instances when there are ostensible Hefsekim even in Sephardic liturgy.June 5, 2019 5:13 pm at 5:13 pm #1739016
We’re all Hungarian. My father didn’t go out and buy one but when he ended up with an extra chandelier he put it in the bedroom. Did look a little weird having it in a normal size bedroom. Bit still none in the bathroom.June 5, 2019 5:13 pm at 5:13 pm #1739072
What is Krias Hashatz? Is there something I am missing here?June 5, 2019 5:13 pm at 5:13 pm #1739074
Are Hungarian Yidden to Ashkenazim what SY Yidden are to Sephardim? Y’know, wealthier than average and enjoys bessere zachen.June 5, 2019 5:54 pm at 5:54 pm #1739111
Nev, Krias Hashatz, did you mean chazoras hashatz?June 5, 2019 5:54 pm at 5:54 pm #1739112
My 2nd great-grandparents name were R. Nathan Hershkowitz & Miriam Hoffman. He was born on May 10, 1884 In Sighetu Marmației, Maramureș, Austria-Hungary. All I know about him is he had smicha.
What are the chances he was a Satmar Chossid? Where most yidden there Chassidim? He left Hungary to NY in 1910. Always wondered… my grandparents weren’t frum already.June 5, 2019 9:42 pm at 9:42 pm #1739213
There was NO Satmer Chasidus in 1910. The whole chasidus started when R’ Yoel Z”L became rav in Satmar in the 1930’s. He was a grandson of the Yismach Noshe, the originator of the Siget/Satmar chasidus.
To yehoshuaaharon – In those days, most of the Marmarosh kehillos davened Ashkenaz, and the chasidishe rebbes had their own beis medresh where they davened sfardish.
Your grandfather MAY have been chasidish, maybe a sigeter chosid, but CERTAINLY not Satmere.June 6, 2019 11:08 am at 11:08 am #1739467
Satmar was ashkanez led by Rav Yehhuda Gruenwald before Rav Yoel ztz’l.June 7, 2019 3:44 pm at 3:44 pm #1739914
Yes, I meant chazaras hashatz. Sorry about that.June 11, 2019 6:05 am at 6:05 am #1740237
laskern: Like traditional Oberlanders, you use the Chasidishe havara and daven Nusach Ashkenaz?June 12, 2019 8:49 pm at 8:49 pm #1741786
My Rebbe the previous Matersdorfer Rav ztzv’l pronounced the Hebrew u as the Hungarian u with two dots on top like German ‘uber’ which is not available in English. The Chasidishe pronounce it as ee like she in Hebrew. Like the joke, how does a Chasidishe cow go? mee mee.June 13, 2019 12:00 pm at 12:00 pm #1742002
I think some chassidim do pronounce the umlaut, but it’s not very far off from an ee sound. They probably just got merged at some point by most chassidim. Most people would hear it and still call it “Chasidishe havara” I would think.
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