November 17, 2021 9:45 pm at 9:45 pm #2030008
I tested positive for COVID a few days ago and was vaccinated. My symptoms are worse than my wife who was not. I’m honestly wondering what was the point of the vaccine, I worked in a hospital setting during frontline covid and never caught it then.
All my children now have natural immunity, so why would I subject them to vaccinations that don’t seem to do anything?
I know there are knowledgeable velt on here, I’m seeking your advice I a world so lacking in emes…what is the point of the vaccines?November 17, 2021 9:57 pm at 9:57 pm #2030080
Refuah ShelaimaNovember 17, 2021 10:05 pm at 10:05 pm #2030087
If you had Covid in the past, you do not need to vaccinate.November 17, 2021 10:14 pm at 10:14 pm #2030096
Ujm tell that to the New World Order and their followersNovember 17, 2021 10:21 pm at 10:21 pm #2030112ㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤParticipant
refuah shelaimaNovember 17, 2021 10:33 pm at 10:33 pm #2030119☕️coffee addictParticipant
I know people that got Covid and they didn’t even know it until they took an antibody test
I know people that got Covid and went to the hospital and had to take regeneron (Rabbi Hoffman)
I know previously healthy people die from this disease
I personally think it has a lot to do with blood type in relation to who gets it worseNovember 17, 2021 10:46 pm at 10:46 pm #2030129
LS -“I tested positive for COVID a few days ago and was vaccinated”
That’s why they recommend a Booster.
Immunity from the Vaxx doesn’t last forever.
It lasts around 8 months.
Take Zinc & Quercetin to help you fight the Covid.November 17, 2021 11:06 pm at 11:06 pm #2030138
Yeah. Don’t forget to get your booster.
Twice in the morning and once before bed
You’ll get so sick from the repeated shots you won’t even notice as the covid passes through you.November 17, 2021 11:06 pm at 11:06 pm #20301431a2b3cParticipant
Refuah Sheleimah!November 17, 2021 11:08 pm at 11:08 pm #2030136
There is no point for you to have gotten shot, other than control. State control.
There are many Therapeutics available.
Monoclonal antibodies for one, work wonders.
And to all those who repeat Endlessly and mindlessly,
”what right do you have to endanger others ”
The CDC just published its findings that the viral load of vaccinated infected is exactly the same as the viral load of unvaccinated.
An Israeli study just showed that the percent of currently newly ill coronavirus patients over 65 is 90%fully vaccinated and 96% me that age demographic is vaccinated.
Meaning the virus does almost nothing against catching, and since the viral load is the same as unvaccinated, it also does nothing too prevent the spread.
The only thing it may do is lower the severity of the disease, which for the under 60 year old demographic is not a very deadly disease in the first place.
It’s lunacy to demand everyone take this stuff even if it were to be water.
Control control control.
Ever heard of Alta fixler ?
We are all her, now.November 17, 2021 11:19 pm at 11:19 pm #2030151
I personally think that boosters should be taken daily. Especially if they come up with new untested boosters every week. The less tested and the more boosters the better. I’m not even being sarcastic.November 17, 2021 11:41 pm at 11:41 pm #2030173
was that musser or chizuk?
Seriously tho, except the first line that covid is 100% fatal those are all things he said, or would not deny when asked. Sad, yes. But damaging as well. Feel free to read it yourself (altough i wouldn’t recommend wasting that much time)November 17, 2021 11:41 pm at 11:41 pm #2030175
thanksNovember 18, 2021 2:05 am at 2:05 am #2030187
refuah shleima. In regards to your observations, yahser koach for working in frontline. maybe you were fully protected when you did that, and now you are less careful? You can safely presume that you had it easier due to having a vaccine. If many months passed after the vaccine, presumably your antibody level went down but you still have B/T cells that will deal with the virus after you are infected.
If you and not the kids were the primary vector, your effect on them may have been low. So, I would suggest testing kids first for antibodies before deciding on vaccination. Maybe even if they tested positive on PCR, not sure about this.
Biggest logical error I see people doing is thinking that either vaccine or previous infection fully protects them and stopping all protections. If you are for a long time with an infected person, you will get a huge amount of virus load that will overwhelm your defenses.November 18, 2021 7:09 am at 7:09 am #2030194
KY -“There is no point for you to have gotten shot, other than control. State control.”
So what are you going to do about it?
The first thing is No One should vote DemonCrat anymore.
They started this – because Fauci was the first Mechutzov against
But what happened in the last Election (2021)?
So many Frum people Voted DemonCrat!
Why? Do they get Shoichad from these DemonCrats?!?
Second – our leaders, that we Voted in, that need the Frum
vote, should demand that the government allows Repurposed Medicines for the Treatment of Covid!November 18, 2021 7:22 am at 7:22 am #2030203AviraDeArahParticipant
I don’t have any personal opinion on the matter, but i will say that the studies taken show that the vaccines don’t stop infection, especially with delta – they prevent hospitalization and death to the point of such cases being an extremely rare phenomenonNovember 18, 2021 7:22 am at 7:22 am #2030205ㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤParticipant
syag thanksNovember 18, 2021 7:26 am at 7:26 am #2030252
“I tested positive for COVID a few days ago and was vaccinated. My symptoms are worse than my wife who was not.”
your comparison is not the correct one
Everyone is different. I had Covid in MArch h2020, I had a mild cough (only tested myself on a whim becasue I had access to a test) I had friends who had it and were much sicker. I saw people die. Comparing one person to another doesn’t tell us anything. You need to look at populations.
The relevant question is what were YOUR symptoms compared to what your symptoms would have been if you weren’t vaccinated. Now obviously there is no way to know this with certainty. but at this point there is pretty good data that shows that the vaccinated as a group are not as sick a unvaccinated. The CDC has a long list of studies showing this.
“All my children now have natural immunity, so why would I subject them to vaccinations that don’t seem to do anything?”
b. It is pretty clear at thsi point that the vaccines are indeed doing something, the vaccinated, AS A GROUP, have less infections, less symptoms, less hospitalizations and less death.
“what is the point of the vaccines?”
Reduce infections symptoms, hospitalization and deathNovember 18, 2021 9:02 am at 9:02 am #2030290
The great fauci now says 3 shots should be standard. So I’m guessing a 4th shot coming soon as a booster?November 18, 2021 11:01 am at 11:01 am #2030328Reb EliezerParticipant
I had a Pfizer booster on J&J after 7 months.November 18, 2021 11:10 am at 11:10 am #2030342
Thank you for the kind words everyone.
My kids were the vector for this to me. I have just begun working from home.November 18, 2021 11:38 am at 11:38 am #2030346
Glad your feeling well enough to work from home
I had meant to wish you refuah sheleima in my initial response.
I’m orry I ignored that and only commented on the more technical parts of your OPNovember 18, 2021 11:38 am at 11:38 am #2030348
what is the point of the vaccines?
Overall, reduces cases of Covid and severity in those who do get infected.
Judging the vaccines as ineffective based on an anecdote is silly.
If I told you that I know someone who got seriously injured in a car crash despite wearing a seat belt, would you conclude that seat belts don’t work?November 18, 2021 11:38 am at 11:38 am #2030349
It lasts around 8 months.
Probably lessNovember 18, 2021 11:38 am at 11:38 am #2030350
Monoclonal antibodies for one, work wonders.
Why would you think that is any safer than the vaccines?November 18, 2021 11:39 am at 11:39 am #2030351
The only thing it may do is lower the severity of the disease,
So you are basically admitting that it saves lives, yet you are trying to convince people not to take it.November 18, 2021 11:39 am at 11:39 am #2030354
So I’m guessing a 4th shot coming soon as a booster?
Right now, the preliminary evidence is showing that the booster is effective for 9-10 months. Perhaps longer. This will likely turn into a yearly booster, similar to a flu shot.November 18, 2021 3:29 pm at 3:29 pm #2030459RomainParticipant
Refuah sheleima, its probaly because you need the booster
Shot the vacine reares off after 6 monthsNovember 18, 2021 3:39 pm at 3:39 pm #2030454The little I knowParticipant
Does using a screen name protect you like masks would if you were in physical proximity? Or does that just work for computer viruses?November 18, 2021 3:40 pm at 3:40 pm #2030480Yserbius123Participant
Last week I drank too much at a chasuna. I felt really awful, but confident enough to drive home. I got home OK with only some minor bumps and scratches on my car. No one died or was even hurt. Why should I be forced to subject myself to going teetotaler or paying for taxis all the time?November 18, 2021 3:44 pm at 3:44 pm #2030490
Try this: last week I was at a wedding and only drank soda but there’s a .02% chance someone added alcohol to the glass. I feel fine but I probably should take a cab despite the cost cuz ya never know.November 18, 2021 3:45 pm at 3:45 pm #2030488
“It is pretty clear at thsi point that the vaccines are indeed doing something, the vaccinated, AS A GROUP, have less infections, less symptoms, less hospitalizations and less death.”
It is pretty clear at this point that the natural immunity (without a vaccine for those who had Covid) are indeed doing something, the naturally immune, AS A GROUP, have less infections, less symptoms, less hospitalizations and less death.November 18, 2021 5:46 pm at 5:46 pm #2030549
“It is pretty clear at this point that the natural immunity (without a vaccine for those who had Covid) are indeed doing something, ”
I never said or implied otherwise.
I’m not sure why you keep mentioning this. Did the OP have prior covid? IT doesnt say that in the post, unless I missed it.November 18, 2021 5:46 pm at 5:46 pm #2030550Abba_SParticipant
You only have immunity if you have the antibodies. It’s a simple blood test which is free if you live in NYC and call 311.You can find a testing location near you. Take the antibody test every 3-6 months and you will never catch covidNovember 18, 2021 8:12 pm at 8:12 pm #2030592
I personally Know many people injured from the shot.
I know many people who were helped by monoclonal. I personally do not know anyone who was injured from them
Am I admitting the shots work?
I have no clue actually. What I said was they started by saying the shots will prevent illness transmission serious illness and death.
We now know ”vaccinated ” people get sick fairly often
Their viral load is just as high so they also spread the virus
The only thing left is severity and death.
Possibly it works for that. I don’t
I’m not trying to convince anyone not to take the shot
I’m against forcing those who don’t want it, to force them to take itNovember 18, 2021 8:13 pm at 8:13 pm #2030591
Wow I never thought it would come to this
I agree with health and syag.
I can’t even find a way to argue even as I try!November 18, 2021 8:20 pm at 8:20 pm #2030600
It didn’t have have Covid previously, even though I should have. I was working in close proximity to positive patients in SICU settings on a daily basis.
I received my second dose of the vaccine 6 months ago.
Somehow the kids contracted the new variant a couple weeks ago. Honestly now that we all have natural immunity thanks to our G-d given immune systems I have no desire to vaccinate against Covid further.
I’m curious about this specific course of action, if you have already caught Covid is there any benefit to vaccinate afterwards? If this is an ignorant stance please explain why, I’m not trying to create a flame war, I’m honestly want to know.November 18, 2021 8:21 pm at 8:21 pm #2030603
To add, I’m worried about the symptoms of “long covid”, has anyone here had experience with this? My wife and I have both been very tired because of this and I hope it goes away with time.November 18, 2021 8:43 pm at 8:43 pm #2030611
I took an antibody test one year after covid and it had not gone down at all. I had no intentions of getting vaccinated while I had my own antibodies. People say that and then assume to still have antibodies but you should test for it. I was also told by my doctor that if I get repeated exposure it will keep the levels up.
Regarding long covid, I worry a lot about that. I had covid for about a month. Instead of breathing issues I suffered terribly from lethargy, inability to focus, and scatterbrainness. For example: I would stand at the kitchen counter to cook but couldn’t figure out what to make or how to make it. I would peel potatoes, cut a few, and start something else feeling unable to get anywhere. I would turn on meaningful minute (as I did every day) and couldn’t listen for more than 10 seconds. While reading a book I would turn on a shiur. It sounds nuts, well it felt even worse. This persisted for 10 months. The scatterbrainness went away after 3 or 4 months but the sadness and lethargy was almost a year. My focus is still down about 5% from what it was 19 months ago but at least I can function normally.
Do they call that long covid? Dont know.. doubt it. But it was debilitated and frightening. And since my covid I have had at least 3 really bad virus/flu bouts (I normally have none).
So if you feel like you can’t shake bits of it, you aren’t alone, but stay hopeful cuz it does seem to clear up eventually. I was really scared it wouldn’t and am very grateful to Hashem for getting back to here.November 18, 2021 10:10 pm at 10:10 pm #20306212scentsParticipant
“ I’m curious about this specific course of action, if you have already caught Covid is there any benefit to vaccinate afterwards?”
Yes, there definitely is benefit. The serum testing showed that natural antibodies together with the vaccine had the strongest immunity.
That said, it may be reasonable for you to chose to defer the vaccine for now.November 18, 2021 10:38 pm at 10:38 pm #2030637
Syag -“And since my covid I have had at least 3 really bad virus/flu bouts (I normally have none).”
Even if you’re not interested in getting Vaxxed against Covid, you can still get Vaxxed against the Flu.November 18, 2021 11:14 pm at 11:14 pm #2030643
facetiously, lfog from long covid can explain some posts that laud natural immunity and, picking up an analogy, daily drinking as protection from alcohol effects.
To serious questions mentioned above:
vaccine after covid: some recommend one vaccine. Two doses work in tandem: immune system learns the pattern, and then applies it. So, disease works as one dose and second is beneficial. Both wane with time, may require a booster, testing for antibodies makes sense
antibodies are not an only source of protection, B/T-cells that are not easily measured provide protection even after antibodies fade, both after vaccine and after disease. Protection might grow with time.
vaccine decreases both infectivity and transmission, but to lesser degree than serious disease and decreases faster with time. If you consider a chain reaction, decreased transmission rate significantly decreases overall transmission. I am not hearing about prolonged transmission of several steps among vaccinated, it usually jumps from unvaxed to vaxed and then gets stopped soon.
look up what general health approaches are recommended for long covid. I am pretty sure it is not posting on YWN, most probably exercise.
Flu seems to be very low last year and this so far. you might be having something else or even repeated covid? this might explain constantly high antibody levels.November 18, 2021 11:17 pm at 11:17 pm #2030644
RebE, I also had J&J and recently Pfizer without waiting for CDC. It is not really a booster, just a delayed second dose by a different vaccine. Also, for those who hesitate about side effects: you can take one dose, and then think about second dose after some delay. There are already reports that side effects of the second dose are due to the short interval between them. Recommendations of 3-4 weeks are based on what was tested in phase 3s. The longer the time between doses, the less side effects are.November 18, 2021 11:17 pm at 11:17 pm #2030645
I personally do not know anyone who was injured from them
In general, if someone is hurt by the antibodies infusion, it will be chalked up to the Covid, so you would rarely know.
In fact, the immune response is similar to that of a vaccine except that it’s more concentrated than the vaccine so any negative reaction would actually be stronger.
It’s just as untested as the vaccines, so the whole antivax argument goes out the window if the alternative is the more risky MaBs treatment.November 18, 2021 11:17 pm at 11:17 pm #2030647
if you have already caught Covid is there any benefit to vaccinate afterwards?
Yes, many people have gotten Covid a second time, but it is very rare for someone who had Covid, then got vaccinated, to get Covid again.
Whether it’s worth it is a different question; I think the opinions are divided on that.November 18, 2021 11:22 pm at 11:22 pm #2030654
I don’t think anyone argues that the vaccine is more protective for someone who didn’t have Covid compared to someone having recovered from Covid but not having vaccinated.November 18, 2021 11:30 pm at 11:30 pm #2030652
The consistently high levels according to the doctor,, are explained by the fact that there is no evidence they drop.
Also, according to the doctor, flu like viruses were rampant this late-summer and fall. It went influenza, might have been rsv. Didn’t bother testing what it was, just tested for covid. Each time all the awful covid misery returned even tho it wasn’t covid. Seems whoever engineered it to search and destroy knew what they were doing.November 19, 2021 7:31 am at 7:31 am #2030730RebYid613Participant
I had covid twiceNovember 19, 2021 9:21 am at 9:21 am #2030777
ujm > I don’t think anyone argues that the vaccine is more protective for someone who didn’t have Covid compared to someone having recovered from Covid but not having vaccinated.
This seems to be an unsettled question. There are papers going both ways. It may depend how you define “recovered” and “protective”. If someone had a quick brush resulting in a positive PCR, his immune response may not have been large. Vaccine gives controlled exposure. On the other side, exposure to virus goes thru mouth/nose, generating some response there, as I understand, while vaccine does not. So, this might give better relative protection from initial infection (v. sickness when it gets to blood). How it all interacts with time, T-cells, personal health, all unclear.
Again, the reasonable advise seem to be that people who got it to get at least one vaccine.November 19, 2021 9:28 am at 9:28 am #2030779
RebYid, refuah shleima, which one was stronger?
do you think these were based on random exposure or based on prolonged interaction (sitting for many hours together at home, school)
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