August 13, 2012 3:49 am at 3:49 am #604532
I want to eat cholov stam. I ate only cholov yisrael for most of my life. It started in yeshiva where everyone else did. For most, it was never truly about being a baal nefesh. Cholov yisrael was a mark of frumkeit. A necessity for being considered yeshivish, akin to white shirts, fedora hats, and a black and white cookie attire. All part of the culture of conformity. Today, I am not in yeshiva, and would not be considered yeshivish by those who are. I wear colored shirts now, and I want to eat cholov stam.August 13, 2012 4:51 am at 4:51 am #891709
That’s nice.August 13, 2012 4:52 am at 4:52 am #891710shlishiMember
This is a troll, insincere, bogus thread.August 13, 2012 5:24 am at 5:24 am #891711yitayningwutParticipant
Start with Rolos.August 13, 2012 5:36 am at 5:36 am #891712YW Moderator-18Moderator
If that’s what you really want, be matir neder and eat. It’s not really such a big deal.August 13, 2012 5:46 am at 5:46 am #891713
I used to be yeshivish…I used to wear black and white, even my bedsheets and shower curtains were black and white. One pillow case was black, the other was white. My shoes… were button downs. I used to have long tzitzis down to my knees. I would tie them to my chavrusa’s ankles and I wouldn’t untie them until seder was over. I used to wear Rabeinu Tams… Only Rabeinu Tams. When my shveir bought me a new car, I drove it through a mobile home to give it that “zecher lechurban” effect. I also made sure one headlight wasn’t working and that the gas light would always be on. My cat, Yekussiel, had payeos. I had him turned into a Fedora.. with three bows. One of the bows was going to be gray, but gray isn’t black and white. I wouldn’t eat fleishigs because it wasn’t cholov Yisroel, but I still managed to get cholent stains on my shirt before Shabbos mincha. I never took off my tzitzis. Don’t worry, I would wash them in the shower while wearing them, but only lekavod Shabbos. I didn’t want to spend any time bateling, so I bookmarked my Gemara pages… ALL my Gemara pages. I wear glasses, but I don’t need them. I sprained my thumb learning once, but to avoid batalah I didn’t mention it to my chavrusa until after seder, when he asked me to untie my tzitzis from his ankles. I daven in Yiddish and speak in Aramaic.August 13, 2012 5:49 am at 5:49 am #891714August 13, 2012 6:42 am at 6:42 am #891715mom12Participant
curiosity – +1August 13, 2012 7:12 am at 7:12 am #891716PosterMember
Curiosity, thanks for the laugh i was able to use it!
now I can go fold mountains of laundry….August 13, 2012 8:04 am at 8:04 am #891717RebRYMember
Is hershey’s chocolate really better then schmerlings? I think this is something you should ask your local orthodox rabbi and not the people here in CR.August 13, 2012 1:44 pm at 1:44 pm #891718
Yay! My first ever “+1”!! 🙂August 13, 2012 2:02 pm at 2:02 pm #891719
Curiosity: Um… I might happen to do one of those things on your list.August 13, 2012 2:58 pm at 2:58 pm #891720
lol @ CuriosityAugust 13, 2012 3:28 pm at 3:28 pm #891721
Wow. I thought my original post was unduly harsh and cynical and unfair. But Curiosity took it to a whole new level.August 13, 2012 3:32 pm at 3:32 pm #891722gavra_at_workParticipant
I want a big cheeseburger. Not one that you get from burger king, but a serious half pounder of unsalted beef, swiss cheese, lettuce, tomato & onion.
Baring that, I want a pulled pork sandwich. Serious BBQ pulled pork, that was slow roasted in a pit.
Is anyone else hungry?August 13, 2012 3:42 pm at 3:42 pm #891723Doodle-Man™Member
BigGolem=Mermaid?August 13, 2012 3:50 pm at 3:50 pm #891724oomisParticipant
Curiosity + 100 (and I don’t even kn wo what the + sign stands for). I thought your cat’s name was Ye-kitty-el.August 13, 2012 4:00 pm at 4:00 pm #891725
Sam2, that’s animal cruelty…August 13, 2012 4:51 pm at 4:51 pm #891726golferParticipant
Curiosity, this is scarey.
I think I know you.
No, I know I know you.
I thought the Mods don’t let us describe ourselves with such precision so we preserve our anonymity.
But they let this one through…
Conspiracy, curiosity???August 13, 2012 6:35 pm at 6:35 pm #891727
Golfer, if you can give me a sign that you know me that wouldn’t reveal my identity or yours we could find out for sure. Can you say over a funny story that we experienced together?August 13, 2012 7:14 pm at 7:14 pm #891728ItcheSrulikMember
Sam2: R”T?August 13, 2012 8:32 pm at 8:32 pm #891729
Curiosity: No, I actually do do one of the things on your list. Which means that golfer might know me if that’s what he was referring to.August 13, 2012 9:23 pm at 9:23 pm #891730ZosHaTorahParticipant
…My cat, Yekussiel, had payeos…
I really shouldn’t be reading in the CR during work hours, as my co-workers for the life of them can’t figure out why I just spit a mouth full of coffee on my computer screen.
Do we have a post of the year award in the CR?August 13, 2012 11:13 pm at 11:13 pm #891731
Golfer, does the person you think I am get into lamdusheh hoks with kitchen utensils? Does he often use the word “tzeushtel” more than twice in a single breath? Does he pace with his thumb out while riding the subway? Does he take more time making a cup of coffee than he does davening slichos?August 13, 2012 11:45 pm at 11:45 pm #891732
But Curiosity, do you eat cholov stam?August 13, 2012 11:51 pm at 11:51 pm #891733
Are you kidding? I’m shomer cholov stam! I am machmir to never touch cholov Yisrael unless I’m somewhere where cholov stam is too expensive or isn’t readily available.August 13, 2012 11:56 pm at 11:56 pm #891734SL1Member
BigGolem: So what exactly is your dillema? Why don’t you give up cholov yisroel just like you gave up the “black and white cookie attire”?August 14, 2012 12:01 am at 12:01 am #891735golferParticipant
Yes, yes, yes & no.August 14, 2012 12:11 am at 12:11 am #891736
SL1: Because eating Chalav Stam would require being Matir Neder, which no longer wearing black and white wouldn’t. So it’s certainly a bigger deal.August 14, 2012 12:22 am at 12:22 am #891737
Rosh Hashana is here. Just include it in your hataras nedarim and start eating Snickers.August 14, 2012 12:34 am at 12:34 am #891738
Curiosity: You would still need to be Mefaret. We don’t use the R”H Hataras Nedarim to actually be Mattir any specific Nedarim.August 14, 2012 12:44 am at 12:44 am #891739R.T.Participant
Curiosity… not bad. I had a wool tablecloth for my Shabbos Table with thick Tzitzis attached to it, in case I had to wrap up all my food and move it more than daled amos into the kitchen on Shabbos HaGadol Erev Pesach. I wore a Gartel to bed after Fabrenging on Motzai Shabbos. There was a portable mechitzah in my car when I was driving off the Derech.August 14, 2012 1:39 am at 1:39 am #891740PeerimsameachParticipant
HAAA im lovin this post.. wow havent been on here in a long time. yea I used to be Chasidish but than I found out I was allegic to herring and potato keegel.The worst was when the doctor told me i have a skin irratation to streimles and wool…thats why, I had to drop it all. Now Im a Tuna who can only eat potato KUGEL and drink the light stuff like Moscato the blue bottle.Oh and I had to move out of New York, Im allergic to sushi.August 14, 2012 1:39 am at 1:39 am #891741PeerimsameachParticipant
Im a shtickle drunk as im writing this I hope the above makes senceAugust 14, 2012 1:41 am at 1:41 am #891742
To SL1, you are certainly right. The reason for my reluctance to ‘give up cholov yisroel’ may be similar to someone who slowly goes otd but cannot bring himself to eat ham or shellfish. It has been drilled into him for so long that certain foods are off limits. Cholov stam is certainly not treif. But in a culture that essentially forbids it, where cholov yisreal is a required and obligatory chumra, to eat cholov stam could mean a lifestyle change. It would mean leaving that culture. All that can be intimidating.August 14, 2012 2:25 am at 2:25 am #891743
Sorry for not commenting on this thread till now i was just busy finishing my bowl of Edy’s ice cream.August 14, 2012 2:34 am at 2:34 am #891744August 14, 2012 2:52 am at 2:52 am #891745
Well OOM id rather eat fake ice cream than eat a real ice cream with a fake name.August 14, 2012 3:05 am at 3:05 am #891746
Aw shucks, who cares what it’s called…it’s just the yummiest. :3August 14, 2012 3:29 am at 3:29 am #891747
You are right of course OOM but Haagen Dazs is a little pricy for me both financially and calorically.August 14, 2012 3:54 am at 3:54 am #891748WIYMember
Edys is subpar.August 14, 2012 3:59 am at 3:59 am #891749lakewhutParticipant
we welcome you to the dark sideAugust 14, 2012 4:41 am at 4:41 am #891750
Peerimsameach, have you ever asked someone in da grocery for da soup plates? 😉August 14, 2012 2:15 pm at 2:15 pm #891751Der RavMember
Its interesting that everyone thinks that Rav Moshe’s Heter of Chalav Stam still apllies nowadays as chalav yisroel is all over and not so expensive. Besides its based on the fact that companys would be fined by the government (Rav Moshe only mattired Chalav Stam in the USA) for tampering with milk, now when you have Billion dollar companys that produce milk who says their afraid of even a million dollar fine? Rav Moshe only made his Heter at a time when Chalav Yisroel was almost impposible to find ( As verified by my Rebbi who is one of the big talmidim from Rav Moshe)(now this is just for arguments sake that people should realize that this topic is not so pashut)August 14, 2012 2:43 pm at 2:43 pm #891752zahavasdadParticipant
Chalov Yisroel is NOT all over, Yes its available in PARTS of NYC , You can find it in the 5 Towns , Teaneck and some parts of NJ
But thats IT
Ive been in other parts of the country and for example Ice Cream is usually Kosher in NY, it is NOT Kosher in most parts of the US (Except for National Brands like Breyes , Dreyers (Edys in NY) Ben and Jerrys and Haagan Daze
Why not take a road trip and see how difficult it is, Its even difficult on Long Island (outside the 5 towns)August 14, 2012 2:46 pm at 2:46 pm #891753Feif UnParticipant
Der Rav: R’ Yisroel Belsky still allows it, although he differs from R’ Moshe in his reasoning. You can read more about it here:
As for CY being available and its price, you’re wrong. CY milk costs a few dollars more per gallon, and it spoils much faster. I tried buying it a few times – the half gallon bottle usually spoils within 3 days. When I buy a gallon bottle from Shop Rite, it can last 2 weeks without spoiling.August 14, 2012 2:47 pm at 2:47 pm #891754
Der Rav: In many places it’s still almost impossible to find and there were a few companies that sold a lot of Chalav Yisrael milk in the New York area 50 years ago.August 14, 2012 2:58 pm at 2:58 pm #891755zahavasdadParticipant
AND FYI it is still almost twice the price
A half Gallon (or 48 oz) container of Kleins costs $7.99 , A Half Gallon (or 48 oz) of Edys costs $3.99 not on sale and I can get store brand for about $2.99 and they taste better than KleinsAugust 14, 2012 3:11 pm at 3:11 pm #891756Der RavMember
Sam: inplaces that it is still unavailable then they still have a heter on which to rely. As of fifty years ago I am told there were but 2 companys in all of new york that sold Chalav Yisroel.
Feif: I humbly suggest that you buy your milk elsewhere as my milk stays just as long and is at most one dollar and fifty cents more than regular. As to Rav Belskey I have no comment as I was just bringing a point that its not all that pashut Rav Belskey is a tremendous Talmid Chacham and I dont argue, just most people are someach on Rav Moshe
Zahavasdad: It seams your road trips never made it out to Skokie Ill where we have CY in abundance. As to Ice cream Rav Moshe would not have issued a heter just so people could get there sugar fix rather to give people the option to have a viable source of milk which is quite a major staple. Sometimes yidishkeit demands sacrifice like only eating the less tasty Ice cream’s. (though Ben and Jerry’s is quite accesable in most major cities)August 14, 2012 3:33 pm at 3:33 pm #891757Feif UnParticipant
Der Rav: How do you know what R’ Moshe would have issued a heter for and what he wouldn’t have? The fact is that OU kashrus is headed by 2 huge Rabbonim, R’ Belsky and R’ Schachter. Both of them have no problems giving a hechsher on ice cream.
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