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    BigGolem
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    I want to eat cholov stam. I ate only cholov yisrael for most of my life. It started in yeshiva where everyone else did. For most, it was never truly about being a baal nefesh. Cholov yisrael was a mark of frumkeit. A necessity for being considered yeshivish, akin to white shirts, fedora hats, and a black and white cookie attire. All part of the culture of conformity. Today, I am not in yeshiva, and would not be considered yeshivish by those who are. I wear colored shirts now, and I want to eat cholov stam.

    #891709

    OneOfMany
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    That’s nice.

    #891710

    shlishi
    Member

    This is a troll, insincere, bogus thread.

    #891711

    yitayningwut
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    Start with Rolos.

    #891712

    YW Moderator-18
    Moderator

    If that’s what you really want, be matir neder and eat. It’s not really such a big deal.

    #891713

    Curiosity
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    I used to be yeshivish…I used to wear black and white, even my bedsheets and shower curtains were black and white. One pillow case was black, the other was white. My shoes… were button downs. I used to have long tzitzis down to my knees. I would tie them to my chavrusa’s ankles and I wouldn’t untie them until seder was over. I used to wear Rabeinu Tams… Only Rabeinu Tams. When my shveir bought me a new car, I drove it through a mobile home to give it that “zecher lechurban” effect. I also made sure one headlight wasn’t working and that the gas light would always be on. My cat, Yekussiel, had payeos. I had him turned into a Fedora.. with three bows. One of the bows was going to be gray, but gray isn’t black and white. I wouldn’t eat fleishigs because it wasn’t cholov Yisroel, but I still managed to get cholent stains on my shirt before Shabbos mincha. I never took off my tzitzis. Don’t worry, I would wash them in the shower while wearing them, but only lekavod Shabbos. I didn’t want to spend any time bateling, so I bookmarked my Gemara pages… ALL my Gemara pages. I wear glasses, but I don’t need them. I sprained my thumb learning once, but to avoid batalah I didn’t mention it to my chavrusa until after seder, when he asked me to untie my tzitzis from his ankles. I daven in Yiddish and speak in Aramaic.

    #891714

    OneOfMany
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    #891715

    mom12
    Participant

    curiosity – +1

    #891716

    Poster
    Member

    Curiosity, thanks for the laugh i was able to use it!

    now I can go fold mountains of laundry….

    #891717

    RebRY
    Member

    Is hershey’s chocolate really better then schmerlings? I think this is something you should ask your local orthodox rabbi and not the people here in CR.

    #891718

    Curiosity
    Participant

    Yay! My first ever “+1”!! 🙂

    #891719

    Sam2
    Participant

    Curiosity: Um… I might happen to do one of those things on your list.

    #891720

    OneOfMany
    Participant

    lol @ Curiosity

    #891721

    BigGolem
    Participant

    Wow. I thought my original post was unduly harsh and cynical and unfair. But Curiosity took it to a whole new level.

    #891722

    gavra_at_work
    Participant

    I want a big cheeseburger. Not one that you get from burger king, but a serious half pounder of unsalted beef, swiss cheese, lettuce, tomato & onion.

    Baring that, I want a pulled pork sandwich. Serious BBQ pulled pork, that was slow roasted in a pit.

    Is anyone else hungry?

    #891723

    BigGolem=Mermaid?

    #891724

    oomis
    Participant

    Curiosity + 100 (and I don’t even kn wo what the + sign stands for). I thought your cat’s name was Ye-kitty-el.

    #891725

    Curiosity
    Participant

    Sam2, that’s animal cruelty…

    #891726

    golfer
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    Curiosity, this is scarey.

    I think I know you.

    No, I know I know you.

    I thought the Mods don’t let us describe ourselves with such precision so we preserve our anonymity.

    But they let this one through…

    Conspiracy, curiosity???

    #891727

    Curiosity
    Participant

    Golfer, if you can give me a sign that you know me that wouldn’t reveal my identity or yours we could find out for sure. Can you say over a funny story that we experienced together?

    #891728

    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    Sam2: R”T?

    #891729

    Sam2
    Participant

    Curiosity: No, I actually do do one of the things on your list. Which means that golfer might know me if that’s what he was referring to.

    #891730

    ZosHaTorah
    Participant

    …My cat, Yekussiel, had payeos…

    I really shouldn’t be reading in the CR during work hours, as my co-workers for the life of them can’t figure out why I just spit a mouth full of coffee on my computer screen.

    Do we have a post of the year award in the CR?

    #891731

    Curiosity
    Participant

    Golfer, does the person you think I am get into lamdusheh hoks with kitchen utensils? Does he often use the word “tzeushtel” more than twice in a single breath? Does he pace with his thumb out while riding the subway? Does he take more time making a cup of coffee than he does davening slichos?

    #891732

    BigGolem
    Participant

    But Curiosity, do you eat cholov stam?

    #891733

    Curiosity
    Participant

    Are you kidding? I’m shomer cholov stam! I am machmir to never touch cholov Yisrael unless I’m somewhere where cholov stam is too expensive or isn’t readily available.

    #891734

    SL1
    Member

    BigGolem: So what exactly is your dillema? Why don’t you give up cholov yisroel just like you gave up the “black and white cookie attire”?

    #891735

    golfer
    Participant

    Yes, yes, yes & no.

    #891736

    Sam2
    Participant

    SL1: Because eating Chalav Stam would require being Matir Neder, which no longer wearing black and white wouldn’t. So it’s certainly a bigger deal.

    #891737

    Curiosity
    Participant

    Rosh Hashana is here. Just include it in your hataras nedarim and start eating Snickers.

    #891738

    Sam2
    Participant

    Curiosity: You would still need to be Mefaret. We don’t use the R”H Hataras Nedarim to actually be Mattir any specific Nedarim.

    #891739

    R.T.
    Participant

    Curiosity… not bad. I had a wool tablecloth for my Shabbos Table with thick Tzitzis attached to it, in case I had to wrap up all my food and move it more than daled amos into the kitchen on Shabbos HaGadol Erev Pesach. I wore a Gartel to bed after Fabrenging on Motzai Shabbos. There was a portable mechitzah in my car when I was driving off the Derech.

    #891740

    Peerimsameach
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    HAAA im lovin this post.. wow havent been on here in a long time. yea I used to be Chasidish but than I found out I was allegic to herring and potato keegel.The worst was when the doctor told me i have a skin irratation to streimles and wool…thats why, I had to drop it all. Now Im a Tuna who can only eat potato KUGEL and drink the light stuff like Moscato the blue bottle.Oh and I had to move out of New York, Im allergic to sushi.

    #891741

    Peerimsameach
    Participant

    Im a shtickle drunk as im writing this I hope the above makes sence

    #891742

    BigGolem
    Participant

    To SL1, you are certainly right. The reason for my reluctance to ‘give up cholov yisroel’ may be similar to someone who slowly goes otd but cannot bring himself to eat ham or shellfish. It has been drilled into him for so long that certain foods are off limits. Cholov stam is certainly not treif. But in a culture that essentially forbids it, where cholov yisreal is a required and obligatory chumra, to eat cholov stam could mean a lifestyle change. It would mean leaving that culture. All that can be intimidating.

    #891743

    TheGoq
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    Sorry for not commenting on this thread till now i was just busy finishing my bowl of Edy’s ice cream.

    #891744

    OneOfMany
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    #891745

    TheGoq
    Participant

    Well OOM id rather eat fake ice cream than eat a real ice cream with a fake name.

    #891746

    OneOfMany
    Participant

    Aw shucks, who cares what it’s called…it’s just the yummiest. :3

    #891747

    TheGoq
    Participant

    You are right of course OOM but Haagen Dazs is a little pricy for me both financially and calorically.

    #891748

    WIY
    Member

    Edys is subpar.

    #891749

    lakewhut
    Participant

    we welcome you to the dark side

    #891750

    Curiosity
    Participant

    Peerimsameach, have you ever asked someone in da grocery for da soup plates? 😉

    #891751

    Der Rav
    Member

    Its interesting that everyone thinks that Rav Moshe’s Heter of Chalav Stam still apllies nowadays as chalav yisroel is all over and not so expensive. Besides its based on the fact that companys would be fined by the government (Rav Moshe only mattired Chalav Stam in the USA) for tampering with milk, now when you have Billion dollar companys that produce milk who says their afraid of even a million dollar fine? Rav Moshe only made his Heter at a time when Chalav Yisroel was almost impposible to find ( As verified by my Rebbi who is one of the big talmidim from Rav Moshe)(now this is just for arguments sake that people should realize that this topic is not so pashut)

    #891752

    zahavasdad
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    Chalov Yisroel is NOT all over, Yes its available in PARTS of NYC , You can find it in the 5 Towns , Teaneck and some parts of NJ

    But thats IT

    Ive been in other parts of the country and for example Ice Cream is usually Kosher in NY, it is NOT Kosher in most parts of the US (Except for National Brands like Breyes , Dreyers (Edys in NY) Ben and Jerrys and Haagan Daze

    Why not take a road trip and see how difficult it is, Its even difficult on Long Island (outside the 5 towns)

    #891753

    Feif Un
    Participant

    Der Rav: R’ Yisroel Belsky still allows it, although he differs from R’ Moshe in his reasoning. You can read more about it here:

    http://www.oukosher.org/index.php/common/article/rav_moshe_ztls_heter_of_cholov_stam_revisited/

    As for CY being available and its price, you’re wrong. CY milk costs a few dollars more per gallon, and it spoils much faster. I tried buying it a few times – the half gallon bottle usually spoils within 3 days. When I buy a gallon bottle from Shop Rite, it can last 2 weeks without spoiling.

    #891754

    Sam2
    Participant

    Der Rav: In many places it’s still almost impossible to find and there were a few companies that sold a lot of Chalav Yisrael milk in the New York area 50 years ago.

    #891755

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    AND FYI it is still almost twice the price

    A half Gallon (or 48 oz) container of Kleins costs $7.99 , A Half Gallon (or 48 oz) of Edys costs $3.99 not on sale and I can get store brand for about $2.99 and they taste better than Kleins

    #891756

    Der Rav
    Member

    Sam: inplaces that it is still unavailable then they still have a heter on which to rely. As of fifty years ago I am told there were but 2 companys in all of new york that sold Chalav Yisroel.

    Feif: I humbly suggest that you buy your milk elsewhere as my milk stays just as long and is at most one dollar and fifty cents more than regular. As to Rav Belskey I have no comment as I was just bringing a point that its not all that pashut Rav Belskey is a tremendous Talmid Chacham and I dont argue, just most people are someach on Rav Moshe

    Zahavasdad: It seams your road trips never made it out to Skokie Ill where we have CY in abundance. As to Ice cream Rav Moshe would not have issued a heter just so people could get there sugar fix rather to give people the option to have a viable source of milk which is quite a major staple. Sometimes yidishkeit demands sacrifice like only eating the less tasty Ice cream’s. (though Ben and Jerry’s is quite accesable in most major cities)

    #891757

    Feif Un
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    Der Rav: How do you know what R’ Moshe would have issued a heter for and what he wouldn’t have? The fact is that OU kashrus is headed by 2 huge Rabbonim, R’ Belsky and R’ Schachter. Both of them have no problems giving a hechsher on ice cream.

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