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Ubiq -“Of course I do, and I have read Peters. I never meant to insinuate Islam was a peaceful religion. all I said was 1) saying “Islamic Terrorism” doesnt help any and 2) It is insulting to some and can hurt/”
It definitely can help; by letting the world know that we won’t tolerate terror!
“we don’t need them for allies. We should be their partners,”
“got it! PArtners not allies, acts of terrorism not terrorists.
Tell me are you often partners with people who insult your religion?”
I’m not aware of any insult to my religion from any Iraqi.
“And we don’t need the other Muslim countries.”
“no of course not. We will tunnel to IRaq and fuel with oil from our friends in Russia and Venezuella”
I have no problem using Russia for US oil needs!
Do you?!?
“It definitely can help; by letting the world know that we won’t tolerate terror!”
how? doesnt bombing have that affect?
“I’m not aware of any insult to my religion from any Iraqi.”
What?
“I have no problem using Russia for US oil needs!
Do you?!?”
what? no
You are making less sense than usual.
This conversation is getting boring and more repetitive than usual.
If you have anything new too add please do so.
If you are willing (able?) to reply to my questions please do so
Otherwise all the best until next time.
(And no, before you ask, there is no cash to be made for responding to questions you want to have a conversation no problem, otherwise buh-bye)
Ubiq -“how? doesnt bombing have that affect?”
No, it doesn’t!
For all you know, the US had a personal problem with ISIS.
Saying “Islamic Terrorism” specifies where the problem is!
Why did Obama and the rest of the DemonCrats have a problem saying this?!?
“No, it doesn’t!
For all you know, the US had a personal problem with ISIS.”
Fantastic point! I do recall what A Bully ISIS was to the US in grade school
Serious question: Do you believe the things you write?
“Why did Obama and the rest of the DemonCrats have a problem saying this?!?”
Replied:
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/if-im-not-antisemitic/page/2#post-649476
Among several others
Ubiq – “Among several others”
Nowhere did you write what Obama said himself!
From CNN news -“Obama has taken a lot of criticism from political opponents over his rhetoric when it comes to terrorism. But on Wednesday at a CNN presidential town hall, he was asked to defend why he refuses to say “Islamic” terrorism to a Gold Star mother.”
He went on to say that if s/o says Islam and terrorism together, that implies all Muslims are Terrorists.
Now Mister Liberal, who called Trump a 3rd grader, does Obama’s statement make any sense?!?
Or does he sound like a third-grader with his comprehension of the English language?!?
“Nowhere did you write what Obama said himself!”
Yep I did (though I didnt quote his exact words) the idea is the same.
“does Obama’s statement make any sense?!?”
Yes. and for the record George Bush had a similar policy didi it make sense then?.
I even asked you a question/offered an example to help explain it to you
Here it is again:
“Growing up several rebbeim taught that it was a mitzvah to avoid paying taxes. They explained how the Western world was built on “geganvet yidisheh gelt” and whatever taxes we avoided paying was simply “geratavet yidshe gelt” of course they cautioned us to make sure we would never get caught.
Assuming you view this “shitah” as an inaccurate portrayal of yidishkeit. How would you feel if when a person who had this view was arrested it was labeled “Jewish-tax-evasion” ?
Ubiq -“Yes. and for the record George Bush had a similar policy didi it make sense then?.”
Which George Bush and quote him. Because you’re not a reliable source!
“Here it is again:
“Assuming you view this “shitah” as an inaccurate portrayal of yidishkeit. How would you feel if when a person who had this view was arrested it was labeled “Jewish-tax-evasion” ?”
I already told you – that has nothing to do with this topic!
Start a new thread!
“Which George Bush and quote him…”
dubya.
google it or for 2 million dollars i’ll tell you
…
Nah just kidding! I love imparting wisdom
Besides, I already provided a quote
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/if-im-not-antisemitic/page/2#post-650087
“I already told you – that has nothing to do with this topic!”
1) you did tell m that but like 99% of the things you said it is false. It is an example of avoiding labeling groups of people based on the actions of soem adherents.
did you really not understand the relevence?
2) Most of what you have replied in this thread was more and more off topic (the rest was repeating questions that I addressed several times). This is closer to our current topic (not labeling groups with labels they find offensive) Than how you “responded” to Trump’s inability to answer simple questions (hmmm sound familliar?) by mentioning Obama’s poor handling of terrorism
Ubiq -“Yep I did (though I didnt quote his exact words) the idea is the same.”
First of all, I didn’t know Dubyah was George W.’s nickname.
Second of all, Bush later on changed his policy about naming Islamic Radicalism!
From the internet:
“Mr. Bush’s speech to the National Endowment for Democracy. He not only gave several names to the force behind terrorism (“Some call this evil Islamic radicalism; others, militant Jihadism; still others, Islamo-fascism”), but he provided ample details. In particular, he:
Presented this “murderous ideology” of Islamic radicals “the great challenge of our new century.”
Distinguished it from the religion of Islam.
Drew parallels between radical Islam and communism (both are elitist, cold-blooded, totalitarian, disdainful of free peoples, and fatefully contradictory), then noted in how many ways the U.S. war on radical Islam “resembles the struggle against communism in the last century.”
Pointed out the three-step Islamist drive to power: ending Western influence in the Muslim world, gaining control of Muslim governments, and establishing “a radical Islamic empire that spans from Spain to Indonesia.”
Explained the “violent, political vision” of radical Islam as comprising an agenda “to develop weapons of mass destruction, to destroy Israel, to intimidate Europe, to assault the American people, and to blackmail our government into isolation.”
Defined its ultimate goal: “to enslave whole nations and intimidate the world.”
Observed that Muslims themselves have the burden of doing the “most vital work” to fight Islamism.
Called on “all responsible Islamic leaders to join in denouncing” this ideology and taking steps against it.
The detailed texture of Mr. Bush’s speech transforms the official American understanding of who the enemy is, moving it from the superficial and inadequate notion of “terrorism” to the far deeper concept of “Islamic radicalism.” This change has potentially enduring importance if finally, 26 years later, it convinces polite society to name the enemy.”
Did Obama ever make this sort of distinction?!?
Lol health
Have ?I mentioned you are my favorite poster?
ddi you read the speech. It is available online given 10/5/05
Here is the actual quote from the speech you cite “Some call this evil Islamic radicalism; others, militant Jihadism; still others, Islamo-fascism. Whatever it’s called, this ideology is very different from the religion of Islam. This form of radicalism exploits Islam to serve a violent, political vision: the establishment, by terrorism and subversion and insurgency, of a totalitarian empire that denies all political and religious freedom. These extremists distort the idea of jihad into a call for terrorist murder against Christians and Jews and Hindus — and also against Muslims from other traditions, who they regard as heretics”
He specifically says he does not view it as true representation of Islam. And note: he does not use phrase “Islamic Terrorism” that you view as so critical to defeating them.
“Did Obama ever make this sort of distinction?!?”
I’m sorry what distinction?
Also, care to answer my question
thanks
No charge for the info about Dubya BTW.
Ubiq -“He specifically says he does not view it as true representation of Islam. And note: he does not use phrase “Islamic Terrorism” that you view as so critical to defeating them.”
No one argues on your first line!
He uses the term -“Islamic radicalism; others, militant Jihadism; still others, Islamo-fascism”.
“Did Obama ever make this sort of distinction?!?”
“I’m sorry what distinction?”
Between types of believers in Islam?!?
“Also, care to answer my question
thanks
No charge for the info about Dubya BTW”
There’s nothing to charge me for! You didn’t write Dubyah was referring to George W. Bush.
I looked that up on the internet.
“No one argues on your first line!”
Earlier yo udid, but I’ll let it slide. youre learning greaT!
now the next step is to answer my question posed before
see here
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/if-im-not-antisemitic/page/3#post-650843
“He uses the term -“Islamic radicalism; others, militant Jihadism; still others, Islamo-fascism”.”
Lol he doesnt. read the speech he says “some call them…”
but at any rate even if he did on ocassion use the term, What does that have to do with anything
“”Did Obama ever make this sort of distinction?!?””
what? yes every time he avoidied using the phrase he was making that distinction. I dont understand what you are getting at.
For example this was a response to a mom who asked him why he didnt use the phrase
“”There is no doubt, and I’ve said repeatedly, where we see terrorist organizations like al Qaeda or ISIL — They have perverted and distorted and tried to claim the mantle of Islam for an excuse for basically barbarism and death,…But what I have been careful about when I describe these issues is to make sure that we do not lump these murderers into the billion Muslims that exist around the world, including in this country, who are peaceful, who are responsible, who, in this country, are fellow troops and police officers and fire fighters and teachers and neighbors and friends.”
“I looked that up on the internet.”
ah but thanks to me! See thats 2 things youve learnt in this post alone.
and it is free
Ubiq -“Lol he doesnt. read the speech he says “some call them…”
but at any rate even if he did on ocassion use the term, What does that have to do with anything”
He does in a speech in 2005 -“Islamic radicalism, like the ideology of communism, contains inherent contradictions that doom it to failure”
“”Did Obama ever make this sort of distinction?!?””
“what? yes every time he avoidied using the phrase he was making that distinction. I dont understand what you are getting at.”
Why do I have to repeat myself?
Did Obama ever say the words Islamic radicalism or Islamic terrorism, or something like this, with only 2 or 3 words together?!?
You keep trying to avoid answering the question!
Is that because you think that is no such thing as Islamic terrorism?!?
Health
you are missing the point and avoiding my question.
I did not mean to say bush NEVER used the term “Islamic terrorism” (though you have yet to provide an example where he does) I” grant that he did at some point. My point is Bush made a conscious point of avoiding the term for reason that I (and he) have explained. Obama had the same policy. Ok so Obama was better at sticking to this policy than bush was. what does that prove?
“Did Obama ever say the words Islamic radicalism or Islamic terrorism, or something like this, with only 2 or 3 words together?!?”
He probably did at some point. but he (like bush) tried to avoid it.
“Is that because you think that is no such thing as Islamic terrorism?!?”
Are you being serious right now?
no it is because… never mind see here where I link all the posts where I explain why he avoided the phrase:
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/if-im-not-antisemitic/page/3#post-650815
Though sigh, you seemed to finally understand this point. I said “He specifically says he does not view it as true representation of Islam”
and you said “No one argues on your first line!”
I think youll do better if we break it down into bite sized chunks..
simple questions try to keep response as short and to the point as possible and avoid getting sidetracked.
first question
1) do you agree that “Islamic terrorism” Is not necessarily a true representation of Islam?
(note: I am not really asking for your interpretation of Islam, Rather that the idea that all Muslims are automaticly terrorists is not necessarily the case). Earlier yo indicated that you agreed “No one argues on your first line!” but soemtimes you have trouble keeping up with your shifting views.
Ubiq -“He probably did at some point. but he (like bush) tried to avoid it.”
That wasn’t my question!
Bush did -“He does in a speech in 2005 -“Islamic radicalism, like the ideology of communism, contains inherent contradictions that doom it to failure”
“Did Obama ever say the words Islamic radicalism or Islamic terrorism, or something like this, with only 2 or 3 words together?!?”
I can imagine why you’re not answering the question!
Don’t answer – “He probably did at some point.”
Quote your idol!
“Did Obama ever say the words Islamic radicalism or Islamic terrorism, or something like this, with only 2 or 3 words together?”
I’ve answered this several times
He (like bush before him) made an effort to avoid the phrase. Was he 100% succesful? I don’t know. he’s not perfect. He may have said it at some point. I can’t find a quote of him saying it so maybe he never said it in keeping with his (and dubya’s) policy.
Regardless of whether he said it or not. His policy was to avoid the term.
Why are you still stuck on this?
OK now that I’ve answered your question (again)
Your turn it’s a short question in my last post to you.
Focus try your best not to get distracted.
Here’s my question dearest Health
1) do you agree that “Islamic terrorism” Is not necessarily a true representation of Islam?
(note: I am not really asking for your interpretation of Islam, Rather that the idea that all Muslims are automaticly terrorists is not necessarily the case). Earlier yo indicated that you agreed “No one argues on your first line!” but soemtimes you have trouble keeping up with your shifting views.
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