June 1, 2020 9:28 pm at 9:28 pm #1866701MomsiParticipant
For those without an option to move upstate for the summer, what’s the plan for keeping children safely and constructively occupied this summer if Cuomo doesn’t approve day camps? Also, would you send a child to day camp if there are no trips or swimming allowed?June 2, 2020 1:50 am at 1:50 am #1866759TealParticipant
I hate to break it, but it seems 99.8% that summer camps will Unfortunately NOT open this summer. I would definitely consider local daycamp if I stayed in the city as at least your dear child has social company and gets to have a full day or almost full day with a fantastic busy program which would be much harder for you to provide all they will do there in your home. But the option is entirely upto you.June 2, 2020 7:21 pm at 7:21 pm #1867174sarirayParticipant
Foster care.June 2, 2020 10:00 pm at 10:00 pm #1867241
your question is moot. Cuomo announced he is allowing day camps.June 3, 2020 12:15 am at 12:15 am #1867273MomsiParticipant
Under what conditions? Anyone know if swimming will be allowed? Trips? Transportation?
What size groups? Will it be affordable?June 3, 2020 3:25 pm at 3:25 pm #1867512DovidBTParticipant
Start a movement called Summer Camps Matter. Implement it with street protests to keep it in the news every day. That’s the new American Way.June 3, 2020 5:05 pm at 5:05 pm #1867598
I hear some talk of opening some camps out of state but limited to 11-14 year old’s, I guess the younger ones will manage with day campsJune 4, 2020 12:18 pm at 12:18 pm #1867953HameirParticipant
Day camps, still better than nothing.June 4, 2020 1:04 pm at 1:04 pm #1867976
Day camps will be open, and that was announced earlier this week. Also, for parents with multiple kids at home, reminder that there are multiple mental health resources for adults available within the frum community.June 4, 2020 1:13 pm at 1:13 pm #1867980
Was that supposed to be funny? Cuz it isn’t.June 4, 2020 1:52 pm at 1:52 pm #1867989
Read between the line, NYS wont allow it
With camps in limbo if they will be allowed to open, NY Governor Cuimo says a decision on whether sleep away camps can open this summer in New York is yet to be made. In an interview this morning, Cuomo told Long Island News Radio that the issue is the inflammatory illness believed to be related to the cronavirus that has been affecting children, and concerns over spreading it.
Cuomo reiterated that as the number of COVID-19 cases and deaths decline, summer day camps can start to open at the end of the month. He said no decision has been made on sleepaway camps.
So, he added, “Summer day camps are going to open on June 29. We’re still reviewing the situation with sleepaway camps.”
“I’m making that decision like it’s my own daughter. Today, if you asked me I would send my daughter to sleep away camp, I would not, Cuomo said.”June 8, 2020 9:22 am at 9:22 am #1869061hujuParticipant
I got a tougher question: If New York governing authorities allow camps to open, what’s your plan?June 8, 2020 10:37 am at 10:37 am #1869091
Since so many posters here are so emotionally attached to the way life was in the alte heim and frequently invoke how simple and pure life was in those good ole days, why not simply deal with the kids before we started warehousing them for the summer months.June 8, 2020 10:43 am at 10:43 am #1869096
You lost meJune 8, 2020 10:44 am at 10:44 am #1869094
Mother’s were stay at home housewives,in the alte heim, who took care of the children full-time. I agree with GHD that this is the proper way today, too; as many Yiddishe families still practice.June 8, 2020 11:28 am at 11:28 am #1869123
My somewhat contrarian comment which confused Syag and drew concurrence from Reb Yosef was really a mix of fact and fantasy. As I’ve noted in other posts, I wouldn’t remotely consider sending my kids off to a sleep-away camp this year under the circumstances. I’m normally not that risk averse but here the risk adjusted consequences (% likelihood of infection X the mortality/morbidity outcomes) make it an easy decision for me. Responsible parents and yiddeshe mosdos (using my metrics) should be planning to find lower risk options for kids staying home this year. Nothing is “risk-free” but but the risks of sending kids to camp at this point have been well documented and the theoretical solutions offered by some camp operators, while commendable, are simply not workable.June 8, 2020 12:04 pm at 12:04 pm #1869148
GH- i just saw no connection between the 2 halves.
I am not a germaphobe, but i do take illness seriously. I was very careful while my family was sick and did not take a cavalier attitude toward the dangers. Having laid that premise out – i cannot understand your continued perception of danger. I have a handful of friends like you and it’s a head scratcher to me (with the exception of high risk individuals).
Additionally, even *if* there was even a small risk still remaining for these children, instead of it being a risk vs safety issue, it has very seriously become a physical risk vs emotional risk issue (i don’t mean being with family, i mean being deprived of socialization).
My neighbor died in late march. His son (who frequently appears on the news page) is very close with my son and the need for these children especially, to be with a group of friends instead of staring at the 4 walls of their glaringly empty house is imperative. The yisomim need out, and their friends need to be out with them. I don’t know if I can consider their mental health less critical than the neighbor next door.June 8, 2020 12:14 pm at 12:14 pm #1869160
@Godal My suggestion to you is to rent a bunker off the coast of New Zeeland and spend the summer there or perhaps Yemen with no case, you sure will be save.June 8, 2020 1:00 pm at 1:00 pm #1869183
Syag: As I said, everyone has their own risk assessment metrics. In this cases, mine are quite different from yours. You are obviously free to expose yourself and your kids to whatever risk factors (or lack thereof) your personal circumstances warrant and I wish you well.
Uncommonsaychel: You must have real nevius. That would be exactly my plan but for a government travel ban which currently restricts entry to virtually all foreign travelers other than Australia. Hopefully, they will expand their “bubble” sometime later this summer. They seem to have a bit more seychel over there regarding social distancing, masks, etc. than the lunatics lined up on top of one another on erev shabbos last week in Las Vegas with no masks to grab a place at a slot machine. I was even impressed by their demonstration in support of the BLM movement in downtown Auckland where for the most part everyone was wearing masks and showing some distancing (in contrast to the mob scenes were see here in the U.S.)June 8, 2020 1:02 pm at 1:02 pm #1869187n0mesorahParticipant
New Zealand claims zero cases. Yemen has about 500 documented cases, and more like 50,000 infected.June 8, 2020 1:22 pm at 1:22 pm #1869210
@Godal You can always go to Syria they only have 7 cases per Million of populationJune 8, 2020 4:28 pm at 4:28 pm #1869269GoldilocksParticipant
Commonsaychel: I would rather walk through a room full of Corona patients, and kiss every single one of them, than vacation in Syria.June 9, 2020 10:15 am at 10:15 am #1869532hujuParticipant
Mars rover? International Space Station?June 11, 2020 12:24 pm at 12:24 pm #1870459yochyParticipant
Plan SHOULD be to invite the media and begin a continuous DAILY protest in Albany in front of his home and offices and start yelling and screaming like the blacks did very successfully and accomplished what they were trying to get done. We MUST put up a tremendous fight including civil disobedience if necessary. No reason to sit like a bunch of suckers and bow at the altar of the lunatic comrade making up laws and dates with no rhyme or reason.June 12, 2020 7:56 pm at 7:56 pm #1871438
Now is official , no camp in NYS accountJune 13, 2020 10:09 pm at 10:09 pm #1871742
Parents should be focused on how their kids’ schools are preparing for reopening this fall, both in terms of adopting the needed safety protocols recommended by the CDC and how the kids will make up for 3 months of lost in-class instruction. Do the schools start with the lesson plans where they left off in March or do they begin the new school year with the new grade lesson plans as if the kids were able to pick up all the “missed” instruction either through zoom classes, home-schooling etc? `June 14, 2020 12:16 am at 12:16 am #1871769
Quite a number of camps are going out of state for this summer and renting out camps the have decided not to open, for example Agudah is opening in New Hampshire, Krasna is opening in PA., Bobov is opening in Ma. Gan Yisroel is expanding in the out of state locations.June 19, 2020 9:42 am at 9:42 am #1874327
The camps are suing Cuomo to be allowed to reopenJune 19, 2020 9:56 am at 9:56 am #1874360
The lawsuits will never get anywhere.June 19, 2020 11:25 am at 11:25 am #1874415
I agree with you 100%
The lawsuits are a feel good PR move by Agudah. So they can say we tried and failed. The decision is within the executive powers of the Governor.
The CT overnight camps are closed as well this summer.
That said your daughter wants to know when she can arrive at the compound for the summer? Our granddaughters miss her. The pool is open (with heater on), the first vegetables of the season are ready to be picked and eaten, the nets are up for tennis and volleyball and a second basketball half-court is in for the younger ones.
With everyone working from home since March 12, my sons, sons-in-law and older grandsons have been a captive labor source for improvements and expansion of the compound.June 19, 2020 12:06 pm at 12:06 pm #1874429
With the camp shut down, my daughter is chalushing to come to the CTL compound. She’s literally marking the days on the calendar until school’s over. (Yeah, they are sneaking in to the school building against regulations for the girls to say goodbye to each other after not seeing one another for months.)
But I must forewarn you that my daughter is not very keen about keeping on her face mask. You’ll be busy all summer enforcing that — unless you have the pull to convince Gov. Ned Lamont to ease up on that requirement.June 19, 2020 4:26 pm at 4:26 pm #1874537
There is no requirement that she wear a face mask in the compound. It is considered a private residence. Even out of doors people residing in the same household do not require face masks. It is only upon entering private businesses or public buildings or outside when meeting people on the street, trails parks who do not reside in your household that a mask is required.
So, as soon as she gets here and is unpacked (last year’s room and bed await her) she is free to enjoy her summer without a mask. All the joys of camp without the bugs, plus air conditioned comfort, no uniforms, no tipping and no bill for you and Mrs. J.
BTW, we dug a trampoline pit beyond the tennis court as a surprise for our grandchildren and will open it on Sunday July 5th…I think your daughter will love practicing her gymnastic routines on it. Mrs CTL wants to know if you and the rest of the family want to come for a week or two in August. We have acquired the house behind us with its furniture from the neighbor’s estate and won’t start total renovation until October.June 19, 2020 8:09 pm at 8:09 pm #1874554
CTL, after hearing about all those enhancements my daughter just did a little dance and immediately ordered a new wardrobe commensurate with her taller stature since last season and in sync with the anticipated summer weather at the CTL compound.
My wife and I would be more than delighted to come for a short stay at the compound. Given the amount of time since we’ve last been there and the current work at home situation resulting from the ongoing health concerns, it would be a most wonderful opportunity to accept.June 21, 2020 10:57 am at 10:57 am #1874758
Every year I gave my kids a choice of camp or a two week road trip, they would always pick a road trip.
We have been has far east as Nova Scotia, as far west as the Big Sur coast, as far north as Northern Alberta and as far south as the Copper Canyon of Chihuahua.
My Kids have seen the tall sequoia trees, the vast deserts of Arizona, the awesome mountains of the Rockies and thunder of waterfalls.
We went rafting, jet skiing, horse back riding, hiking, crafts making and off roading.
Yes my kids missed the major plays, color war, line ups and camp food
My advice is that if you have the time take the money you saved from camp fees and take the kids on a road trip.June 21, 2020 9:46 pm at 9:46 pm #1874958
Common Saychel: Years from now, your kids will look back and really appreciate the opportunity you provided them to travel and see parts of our great country they learn about in school and perhaps see on TV. They are fortunate because I suspect many frum families don’t have the time, resources or motivation to pursue this type of summer vacation.June 21, 2020 10:26 pm at 10:26 pm #1874971anonymous JewParticipant
Joseph, there are very few stay at home moms. In kolel families, somebody has to work. In other families, unless you’re CT Lawyer, yeshiva tuition virtually requires both parents to work.June 22, 2020 12:03 am at 12:03 am #1874983
AJ: Take a tour of Williamsburg and Boro Park. Stay at home moms are the norm. Non-stay at home stick out as a bit unusual. Even Lakewood and Flatbush have a very strong stay at home mom contingent, though I’m not sure which way the majority is in Lakewood and Flatbush. It’s pretty close.June 22, 2020 9:40 am at 9:40 am #1875055
“Stay at home moms” includes many moms who work from home OR work in part-time jobs. Very few kollel families have the family support for the husband to be a full-time learner and the wife to simply sit at home taking care of the kids. Nor do welfare payments come even close to providing sufficient support for larger families. Unless they are printing money in the basement, someone in the family is working. The good news is that a small but growing percentage of kollel yungerleit are finding ways to earn a parnassah while learning and some yeshivos are allowing for such work/learn arrangements.June 22, 2020 10:15 am at 10:15 am #1875069
It’s been years since Mrs. CTL and I had yeshiva tuition bills for our kids, BUT Mrs. CTL always worked. She was a builder/Realtor/designer for 35 years. Her office was attached to our home (just as I have a professional office attached with a client entrance.
All of our daughters and daughters-in-law work, albeit most in the family law firm
All of our grand children and my siblings’ grandchildren summer here in the compound. Two couples (our children, nieces and nephews and spouses) are in residence each week to lend a hand in supervision.
We’ve done most of the improvements and facilities buildings ourselves over the years, This spring we dug and added a trampoline pit. It is far cheaper than summer camp and much safer on many respects. Great family bonding time as well.
It’s not about how much money you have, but making what money you have go the furthest. We could be house poor in Brooklyn or have a compound in Southern CT for less money. We chose small town living within an easy drive of NYC.June 22, 2020 10:51 am at 10:51 am #1875080
@ Godol Hatorah: “They are fortunate because I suspect many frum families don’t have the time, resources or motivation to pursue this type of summer vacation.”
The resources are there this year as is the time, the money they saved in camp fees can be used for a road trip, its most likely be far less was camp cost unless they went on full scholarship.
The practical learning that they pick up during the trips stays with them for life.
For example we went tidal bore rafting in Nova Scotia where during the high tide the river reverses flow and my kids learnt about high tides and low tide and the gravitation pull that differs during the month.
We also visited the Jewish Cemetery in Halifax NS were the Jewish steerage victims of the Titanic are buried.
At Yellowstone a Ranger explained to the elk migrated to a area of the park that then were never in after the wolf were introduced
In Gatlinburg we went to the crafts village and saw how various item are made.
It would be a shame to squander the opportunity given now that camps have been canceled.
PS with the internet its very easy set up minyanim with your fellow travelers.July 6, 2020 10:11 pm at 10:11 pm #1880228
Judge ruled sleepaway camps cant openJuly 7, 2020 8:48 am at 8:48 am #1880296anonymous JewParticipant
They’re open in Pennsylvania.July 7, 2020 10:14 am at 10:14 am #1880333
CS: I thought the judge decided to not issue a temporary restraining order against Cuomo until the full case is heard.July 7, 2020 10:25 am at 10:25 am #1880335
CS: Here is the last line of the decision “ORDERED that Plaintiffs’ motion for a preliminary injunction (Dkt. No. 7) is DENIED.”July 7, 2020 11:51 am at 11:51 am #1880342midwesternerParticipant
And since the case will never be heard in enough time to get the camps open, he in effect ruled that there will not be camps in NY.July 7, 2020 12:18 pm at 12:18 pm #1880345
Lower: Ispo Facto by not issuing a TRO the season is effectively over, now you have discovery, testimony, briefs and motions, working at a fast pace with a RJI you can expect a ruling in mid August.
so its over.July 7, 2020 6:19 pm at 6:19 pm #1880490
CS: It was over before it started.July 7, 2020 8:09 pm at 8:09 pm #1880502
Lower 1000% agreedJuly 7, 2020 8:10 pm at 8:10 pm #1880503n0mesorahParticipant
It could still be pursued for next summer.July 7, 2020 9:09 pm at 9:09 pm #1880520
Rather than litigating a decision that has been finalized for this summer, focus on on the options available for already challenged frum parents to safely keep the kids busy at home, including the many parks and museums in the NY Metro area that are gradually reopening, albeit on a limited attendance basis. Hopefully, many parents will be able to find a day camp program for a few days a week since they have known for over a month that sleep-away camps would not operate.
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