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  • #846303

    popa_bar_abba
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    I can’t think off the top of my head where we say that by avoda zara.

    It seems to me that you could for sure be mattir the pot by throwing the amount of money that the idol cost into the sea.

    And perhaps we would say like you that it didn’t add anything since the fire was hot enough anyway. But I dunno a source for that.

    #846304

    gubbish
    Participant

    From a friend of mine at camp:

    You Can’t Judge a Product By Its Panel: Three Problems with Ingredient Lists

    [and]

    #846305

    sternberger
    Member

    i know this discussion is now about hechsherim and kashrus, but about the original story…

    my friend told me a story about her brother – imagine that you saw this – an obviously frum kid goes into a gas station store, looks at the ingredients of every single candy bar, buys one which you absolutely positively know that it is not kosher, buys it, eats it, and runs out of the store.

    it turns out that hes diabetic and needed the sugar, he ran out cuz he didnt want his bike to be stolen. be dan lcaf zchus you dont know the whole story…

    #846306

    yitayningwut
    Participant

    Off the cuff I would say pashtus you could use your idol to fuel your libun. See the bottom of 8a in Chullin.

    #846307

    Anyone with true yiras shamayim would have a VERY GREAT FEAR of eating something not kosher. If you were aware that something non-kosher definitely causes cancer, would you just check the ingredients and eat it? You can be sure that eating something non-kosher is far worse for a son or daughter of the King than the worst cancer. You should follow your Rav, but in the absence of a personal psak, be very very careful about what you eat.

    #846308

    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    chassidish – I feel the same way you do but if what you said was even mildly true there would be nobody smoking!

    #846309

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    yitayningwut:

    I thought of that (not the gemara, but YD 10:1 which codifies it), and I’m not sure it is apposite. The reason it is muttar for shechita is because shechita is mekalkel.

    Is what I am doing mekalkel? Maybe, I am ruining the seasoning. But I’m not sure about that.

    #846310

    yitayningwut
    Participant

    You’re ruining your idol by using it to fuel your fire.

    #846311

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    You’re ruining your idol by using it to fuel your fire.

    No, that is how I serve it.

    #846312

    yitayningwut
    Participant

    Hee hee. I think I was a worshiper of your avodah zarah in my early teen years.

    #846313

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    chassidishY.U.type,

    ????? ????? ???????

    #846314

    SilentOne
    Member

    I was a Mashgiach for a Kashrus organization and without a doubt, any manufactured product (with very few exceptions, and chocolate bars are not an exception) do require a Hechsher. (Even dried fruits need a Hechsher because of manufacturing issues!). It is impossible for someone outside of the Hashgacha world to know how a product like a chocolate bar was manufactured (whether Treif products were manufactured on the same machinery). Also some ingredients seem innocuous to a lay person, but may in fact be animal derivatives. Instead of arguing here, we should demand that Jewish schools teach these basics to the students, or at least invite Hashgacha experts to do a few workshops with the students.

    #846315

    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    pba:

    1- I didn’t mean by a”z, I meant that you’d be more likely to know one that could be applied.

    2- You aren’t serving the idol, you’re destroying it in a way that gives you no hana’a.

    2a- You aren’t buring it, I am and I don’t serve it

    2b- Side issue: what if the idol was made of hemp or some other thing that people burn deliberately not as fuel?

    #846316

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    So I made my fire, and burned my pan. The coals under the pan didn’t burn because there wasn’t enough oxygen apparently, but I think the pan is kashered anyway because the fire was really big and really hot and I covered it, and it was still hot the next morning when I came to take the pan out.

    The pan is now turned different colors in some places, and the smooth seasoned crust is gone, with just iron left.

    And it is rusting. But I don’t want to re-season it yet, since I want to tovel it first.

    Which leads to my ??? question: Do you need to tovel a kli that you buy from a goy and do libun gamur to?

    #846317

    nitpicker
    Participant

    to poppa

    why would you think not?

    ( if you change the kli so that is now a remanufactured item, perhaps not. but libun doesnt do this. )

    if you tovel a used kli

    that needs kashering before you kasher, the tvila is invalid.

    #846318

    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    If you do libun gamur wrong you can ruin the temper of the metal. In that case it’s a different grade of iron, so maybe you can call it a new kli?

    Speaking of Korach, a fabric store in flatbush is having a sale. Any thoughts on korach tzitzis for purim?

    #846319

    yungerman1
    Participant

    Pba- My guess would be yes. Any food utensil you buy from a non-jew needs to be toiveled- unless the utensil is ruined and subsequently repaired by a jew.

    #846320

    yungerman1
    Participant

    I just found the following from the Star K –

    “If one bought a used vessel which needs to be kashered, e.g. from a non-Jewish owner, the keili must be kashered before it is toveled.”

    http://www.star-k.org/kashrus/kk-containers-tevilas.htm

    #846321

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    If you do libun gamur wrong you can ruin the temper of the metal.

    You should have seen my temper when I picked up the pan while it was still hot. I suppose that was doing libun wrong.

    #846322

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    So does the fact that it needs to be reseasoned count as being ruined?

    How about if I have to sand it down because it is rusting now?

    #846323

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Is rust a problem for a mikva? How about for a nidda?

    #846324

    yitayningwut
    Participant

    LOL. Rust on a Niddah would be taluy in if it’s mitztaer to peel off, I suppose.

    #846325

    yitayningwut
    Participant

    Itche – Now I understand why modern people wear blue shirts! Because they’re all Korach-niks!

    #846326

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Is rust a problem for a mikva?

    That depends if there’s substance to it, in which case it must be sanded off. If it’s merely a stain, it’s okay.

    #846327

    yungerman1
    Participant

    If you are not makpid on the rust it may be ok too! LOL

    #846328

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Rabbi Eidlitz told me by email that it is only a problem if it comes off by hand. It doesn’t.

    #846329

    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    yitayningwut: No, that’s why we wear pants died with kaleh ha’ilan.

    pba: Does a robot have to toivel?

    #846330

    yitayningwut
    Participant

    Itche – lol

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