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  • #594455

    iyhbyu
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    As someone not from the NY area, I have to say I really can’t stand the term “out-of-town.” I think it shows such gaaveh on the part of New Yorkers to say “this is THE town and everything not in it, is out-of town.”

    If I’m in Salem, Oregon, everything not in Salem, Oregon is out-of town.

    If I’m in Green Bay, Wisconsin everything not in Green Bay, Wisconsin is out-of-town.

    There is a world outside of NY!

    #732085

    I feel the same way

    #732087

    dunno
    Member

    These out of towners just don’t get it 🙂

    #732088

    A23
    Participant

    Dunno, I can’t agree with you more.

    iyhby, when Salem, Oregon has over a million Jews living there, then that can be ‘in-town.’

    #732089

    TheGoq
    Participant

    As a supplanted out of towner i know what you mean there is a certain arrogance in the way they dismiss us yokels from the boonies, they feel if your not from new york you are a hick but what are u gonna do?

    We oot’ers have certain prejudices against new yorkers too ive been here 11 years and still dont consider myself a new yorker

    and although i hate too admit it ive even sunk so low as too root for the mets this is my great shame, but at least i havent sunk to the lowest level of being a yankees fan never never never!!!!

    #732090

    boredstiff
    Participant

    Why do you get offended by being called an out-of-towner? I’m proud of the fact that I’m an ‘out-of-towner’!!

    #732091

    gavra_at_work
    Participant

    OOT is not just a location, it is also a mindset.

    And that is why Lakewood is In Town, even though Waterbury or Stamford are OOT.

    #732092

    dunno
    Member

    If it makes you feel better, many people like the “out of town” attitude way better than the “in town” one. (Before everyone jumps, I’m generalizing here.)

    #732093

    bpt
    Participant

    I always thought of it as, NYC being the starting point for the vast majority of Jews in America (as in the Ellis Island days) so anything “away” from the starting point is “out” of the town.

    Today, since many jews (though I doubt as many as NYC) start out in places West of the Hudson, I suppose there is no longer an “in” or “out” when it comes to towns.

    Unless we’re talking mindset, and then, I agree with GAW.

    If you’re not from NYC, you’ll never understand.

    #732094

    iyhbyu
    Member

    You people are missing the point.

    @A23-if you were in Salem, then that would automatically be in-town, because you are in that town! It has nothing to do with the size of the population.

    @the goq- It would be one thing if I was a hick from the boonies, but I am from one of the largest cities in the US and I’ve been asked from NYers if there were a lot of farms in my town! And the Mets?! I think you’re experiencing Stockholm syndrome.

    @boredstiff, gavra and dunno- I like the mindset, can’t stand the terminology and the underlying arrogance.

    @bpt- If that was true I guess it would make sense but I doubt it because I think that it’s a relatively new term. Also I lived in NY for some years and I understand, I just dislike it.

    #732095

    eclipse
    Member

    Not only am I proud to be an out of towner,I WISH I hadn’t lost my Canadian accent.

    #732096

    SJSinNYC
    Member

    if I visit LA, I tell people I’m from out of town. I’m not from there.

    If you are in the NY area, then yes, they are in town and you are out of town. If people are talking NYers to NYers, then can still use in-town/out of town terminology.

    #732097

    Chacham618
    Member

    ‘iyhbyu’

    ‘There is a world outside of NY’

    There is a world outside of America as well!

    London is the only real town!

    #732098

    TheGoq
    Participant

    eclipse didnt you know that only new yawkers have accents?

    #732099

    Avram in MD
    Participant

    @the goq- It would be one thing if I was a hick from the boonies, but I am from one of the largest cities in the US and I’ve been asked from NYers if there were a lot of farms in my town!

    To be fair to the New Yorkers, NYC’s population is more than double the second largest city in the U.S. (Los Angeles), and the NY metro area exceeds the population of the 2nd largest metro area (LA again) by a whopping 6,000,000+ people. To put that into perspective, the #4 metro area (Dallas/Ft. Worth) doesn’t even have a population of six million.

    Note that I am not condoning anyone having a complete ignorance of what life is like outside of their city. That said, if I were in your shoes, I probably would have mentioned how hard it is to get up before dawn to milk the cows before Shacharis. And how challenging it is to move your herds to their pastures via the subway.

    #732100

    Ken Zayn
    Member

    “London is the only real town?”

    London is a city, actually. It is one of the most expensive cities in the world. (Has to be,,, my wife’s from there!)

    London is the capital of England and the United Kingdom, the largest metropolitan area in the United Kingdom and the largest urban zone in the European Union by most measures.

    It is the world’s largest financial centre alongside New York, has the largest city GDP in Europe and is home to the headquarters of more than 100 of Europe’s 500 largest companies.

    It is the most visited city in the world. London’s five international airports make its airspace the busiest of any urban centre worldwide and London Heathrow is the world’s busiest airport by number of international passengers .

    London has been a major settlement for two millennia, its history going back to its founding by the Romans, who called it Londinium.

    London’s ancient core, the City of London, largely retains its square-mile mediaeval boundaries. Since at least the 19th century, the name London has also referred to the metropolis developed around this core.

    London is a leading global city, with strengths in the arts, commerce, education, entertainment, fashion, finance, healthcare, media, professional services, research and development, tourism and transport all contributing to its prominence.

    London’s 43 universities form the largest concentration of higher education institutions in Europe. In 2012 London will become the first city to host the Summer Olympics three times.

    London has a diverse range of peoples, cultures and religions, and more than 300 languages are spoken within its boundaries.

    In July 2007 it had an official population of 7,556,900 within the boundaries of Greater London, making it the most populous municipality in the European Union. The Greater London Urban Area is the second largest in the EU with a population of 8,278,251, while London’s metropolitan area is the largest in the EU with an estimated total population of between 12 million and 14 million.

    [28] and the most extensive after the Shanghai Metro.

    #732101

    yaakov doe
    Participant

    Out of town is anywhere outide of Brooklyn. Some of the finest people I’ve met come from out of town and have made their homes in Brooklyn.

    #732102

    iyhbyu
    Member

    @SJS- if they are in NY, than yes that makes sense.

    @chacham- Never meant to imply there wasn’t.

    @Avram-Yes it’s big, that doesn’t mean it’s the whole entire world, For example, if I’m in Eretz Yisroel someone might tell me, “oh did you hear that ploni is moving next door, he’s from out-of-town.” That really grinds my gears!

    #732103

    Dont you fellow OOT people get it?

    New York is the center and hub for all things yiddeshekite and everyone who lives out of town just isnt serious enough about wanting to be close to Hashem

    All us OOT communities are really good for is

    1:Enlarged dating pool for people that just “cant find a good fit” in the tri state area

    2: A vacation away from the most wonderful place in the world that will serve to remind you never to leave your six block community radius again.

    3: Somewhere to send a problem child after they’ve been “asked to leave” all of the schools in the tri state area.

    Personally, I get mad seeing an “In town” boy dating an “Out Of Town” girl.. Not all of us out of towners dream of a 1 bedroom 8th floor walk up in Brooklyn. Stick to your own general area of the country and leave the rest of us “hicks” alone!

    The only communities that have a right to call others “Out of towners” is any community in Israel

    #732104

    kapusta
    Participant

    I’m confused. How does living in NY make someone closer to Hashem?

    *kapusta*

    #732105

    that was sarcasm kapusta

    #732106

    kapusta
    Participant

    Yup. Thanks mod.

    *kapusta*

    #732107

    eclipse
    Member

    Goq:Toronto has a nice accent,and people treat you with more courtesy.Oh well…

    These days I get asked where I’m from bec.I’m friendly’ish.

    #732108

    riki77
    Member

    i live out of town and i love it. all my camp friends from new york and lakewood always tell me how much friendlier and warm out of towners are. one of my friends told me that she wishes her school was like mine.

    #732109

    Nonsense
    Member

    Actually the Gemarah tells us to live in the proximity of Torah Jews and Torah institutions. The Gemarah points out one Amorah who moved away and died prematurely. There IS a difference between living surrounded by Yidden ALL OVER then being one or two all alone. – That I heard from Rabbi Miller ztz”l. Another point is that ????? ?????? is more where there are more Yidden, same as in ?????.

    So yes there is a difference between living In Town (a torah town) and that of OOT

    #732110

    iyhbyu
    Member

    This is actually frustrating me more.

    I am in no way jealous of NYers, and I am quite happy not being from NY. However I oppose the TERM “out of town.”

    Please don’t talk about how you like being from “out of town,” or you are fond of “out of towners.”

    #732111

    Yochie: What persentage of Brooklynites do not have a Rov or Rebbe. Now contrast that with “out-of-towners”.

    #732112

    When first hearing the term (and being called it) it was sort of annoying (you know, catagorizing another jew…) but eventually it became something special, something to hold onto, something lav davka to make a big deal about.

    As you’ve seen, many people have different views about it. Therefore, I think that Ny’ers who talk that way, shouldn’t use that term freely. If they know the person, and they know that person doesn’t care about that term, than use it till it dies, but if they are talking to someone who doesn’t prefer that lashon, than why instigate hatred?

    In addition, I’m pretty sure there was an artical about living “In town vs. Living Out of town” in a recent Mishpacha artical. In that artical it defined in town and out of town. Ayin Sham for details, but the Yisod was that In town would be a place where you dont have to take a half an hour trip to buy everything you need. You can make one quick stop and pick up everything you need on one block or at one big supermarket.

    Maybe nowadays these terms should be chucked out the window because of this.

    but iyhbyu, you make a great point about there is a world outside Ny.

    but your post is a Tolda (subcatagory) in regard to a larger discussion- the practice of people catagorizing other jews.

    #732113

    Bar Shattya
    Member

    i think ny is a beautiful place and everyones got to stop complaining about it. Can you imagine if the new york people lived among us? if we had to deal with them every day? at least like this they stay in their hidey-hole and dont bother us?

    amen brother

    #732114

    charliehall
    Participant

    I live in New York City but people think I’m “out of town” because I live in the Bronx and not Brooklyn.

    #732115

    Health
    Participant

    Yochie – “That I heard from Rabbi Miller ztz”l.”

    He was born and raised in Balto. In his time there wasn’t a Yeshiva for Bais Medrash, so he went to Europe, then to NY.

    I doubt if he grew up there when NIRC existed, he would have moved out. But keep dreaming NY is the only place to live.

    When I first came to Lakewood, it was just like OOT, now it’s another borough of NY.

    #732116

    happyOOTer
    Participant

    Hooray, this post was made just for me!

    #732117

    iyhbyu
    Member

    @ Yochie

    Wow.

    I can assure you that if someone doesn’t live in NY, they don’t deserve to die for that reason Chas V’Shalom!

    Now I know what you will answer-

    “I didn’t say that; The Gemorah and R’ Miller did”

    -Actually no, I can assure you that neither was referring to a chiyuv to live in NYC. Maybe that you shouldn’t live in the middle of (really) nowhere, but R’ Gifter had no problem living in Cleveland. R’ Kamenetzky had no problem in Philly…etc. And that is my whole point. Do you think that other than NYC the rest of the world is just one or two yidden scattered here and there? Shouldn’t you have a chiyuv to live in Eretz Yisroel than because there are more Yidden there?

    And at what point in the thread did you think that someone insinuated that there was no difference between in town and out of town? Really. I am curious.

    #732118

    As gefen and psach libi can testify, anyplace where I am is “in town.” But I most definitely have an “out of town” mentality, and I’m proud of it! 🙂 Don’t worry, I love “in/out of towners” no matter where they’re from. 🙂

    #732119

    deiyezooger
    Member

    Proud to be an OOTer.

    #732121

    iyhbyu
    Member

    @deiyezooger

    Oh okay because I was saying I was ashamed to not be from NY. Right. I wasn’t saying that I think the specific phrasing of the term smacks of arrogance from NYers. Thanks for that.

    #732122

    Nonsense
    Member

    The way some people write sounds like they are OOTs

    #732123

    Nonsense
    Member
    #732124

    always here
    Participant

    iyhbyu– just curious cuz I can’t find the thread that ‘watermelon’ had started about ‘where are you from?’… did you answer ‘out-of-town’? btw– an answer that frustrated me to no end, cuz it is soo not an answer! it then assumes (presumes?) outside of NYC, & doesn’t give identity/credit to other places that, indeed, stand on their own– i.e. Seattle, Phoenix, Chicago, anywhere!!

    #732125

    iyhbyu
    Member

    @Yochie-

    I’m not chas v’shalom “refuting a gemorah.” a bit sechel please. There is a difference between living in a place where you can’t get a minyan; and LA, Cleveland, St. Louis, Atlanta, London, Melbourne, etc.

    Can you cite the gemarah you are referring to?

    And once again I never implied that there was no “difference” between NY and everywhere else.

    And honestly, that is another thing that annoys me to no end about NYers is the term “lakewood ir hakodesh, and their disregard of Eretz Yisroel which is where Torah life is really found at large proportions.

    #732126

    iyhbyu
    Member

    @always here-

    lol, most definitely not.

    #732127

    out of town is much better for many reasons

    1)its quieter

    2)more peaceful

    3)less honking

    4)less competition

    5)have drivewys to park in as opposed to circling the block for an hour

    6)less traffic

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