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“A yid that hates the medina is a Torah True Yid, But a Goy that hates the medina is an anti-semite!”
How is that not a double standard?
In general anti-zionism is a fig-leaf for antisemitism. The Satmar Rov was a notable exception.
why isn’t a medina-hating Jew an anti-semite? Why isn’t a medina-loving goy correct, since rav yoel ztl clearly believed this was the right position?
Once again, the mods show the double standard that is on this site. People have written the same thing I wrote, just about people like R’ Kook zt”l, R’ Tendler shlita, and others, and it got through no problem. But I can’t write it about R’ Yoel!
Feif: Because fairness is goyish. I’m sure you heard the same mussar shmuessen in high school as I did.
Feif,
I really have not noticed any remarks against MO rabbonim here. Certainly not even remotely as many as are posted against Rabonnim who you would not consider in the MO camp.
Perhaps you can show examples to support your accusation.
Feif: I will tell you the difference, and it is clear as day. There are/were major, major Rabbonim who strongly disagreed, even on a personal level, with R’ Tendler (heck, even major “Modern” Rabbonim think he goes too far sometimes) and R’ Soloveitchik (though there were very, very few Rabbonim of a high caliber that attacked him), among others. No one of any caliber attacked R’ Yoel on a personal level. You can critique his opinions, but not him personally.
Personal attacks against R’ Kook should not be allowed to stand though. He was the nearly-undisputed Posek HaDor. You can argue with his Shittos, but attacking him personally costs you your Chelek in Olam Haba.
Feif Un- You are absolutely correct. See the following post:
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/the-dov-lipman-response-controversial#post-462856
I agree feif. The loshon hora about mo rabbonim like hagaon harav Avi Weiss shlita is terrible.
Oh My Gosh- But if a Jew inherently loves another Jew, explain all the disdain for certain Jewish MKs.
Oh please. I’m not a fan of Avi Weiss or Dov Lipman. They’re not Modern Orthodox – Weiss claims his “derech” is called Open Orthodoxy.
But what about posts like this:
Sam2: Regarding R’ Tendler, yes, he’s controversial at times. So was R’ Ovadia Yosef zt”l, and many other Rabbonim. The fact remains that he’s a huge talmud chacham, and deserves respect. With all the controversy around him, I’ve still never heard a Rav say anything personal about him – but there’s plenty of it here!
DaMoshe told me that a few years back, he actually was speaking to his Rosh Yeshiva, R’ Bender shlita, and he complained to him about the lack of respect here on YWN for R’ Tendler. R’ Bender sent out an email to someone who works for YWN who he’s close with, telling him to tell YW Editor to stop the lashon hara against R’ Tendler! (In case you’re wondering, DaMoshe was bcc’d on the email, so he saw it.)
Feif: No? Oh well, the difference between “Fair” and “Yoshor” was a favorite subject for some people. Regarding the mods, I don’t recall them saying any such thing. Actually, I recall the editor being very explicit about the double standards. That was one of the reasons I kept the site blocked in my hosts file for a while. (Decided to give the forum another chance.)
SecularFrummy: It is well known that any elected official forfeits their soul upon assuming office. This has been the case in every representative system from the Scandinavian “Althing” on down to our own time.
Feif, that’s not fair. If you say you’re “not a fan of Avi Weiss” you can’t expect others to give more respect to the rabbonim you want than you give to rabbonim like harav Avi Weiss shlita.
I’m not a fan, but I don’t sit around bashing him here. Also, Avi Weiss is in a different category than Modern Orthodox rabbonim. Rabbonim from all sides have said his shittos go against Judaism and may even be apikorsus. I haven’t heard a Rav say that Modern Orthodoxy is apikorsus.
ItcheSrulik- So why have rabbonim not assured running for office? “Forfeiting” one’s soul can not be in line with halacha.
Secular,
I do not understand why you are posting a quote from Rabbi Pruzansky as proof. He is, as understand a MO Rav. Most of the negative comments about him on that thread were by commenters who appear to be MO themselves.
Well maybe you are right, the moderators should not have let those posters comments through, they seem to be the most disrespectful posters in general.
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