November 2, 2010 8:03 pm at 8:03 pm #592884
I was learning mishna berura hilchos tzitzis and I came across the Halacha that if u borrow a Tallis from the bias hakneses to daven for the amud you should make atifa and a bracha, my shaila was I, being a bachur and I don’t wear a Tallis regularly do I have to make atifa and a bracha when I daven for the amud?
I addressed this shaila to rav belsky shlita, and rav belsky said that 100% a bachur should make atifa and a bracha when davening for the amud because not only is it a kavod tzibbur to wear a Tallis, your using it to daven for 45 minutes or so, and this is even if you already made a bracha on a Tallis katan, but rav Belsky said that on Aliya letorah you don’t make a bracha., I just thought it would be interesting to post cuz most people don’t do it
Posting interesting halachos hereNovember 2, 2010 8:11 pm at 8:11 pm #942694YW Moderator-80Member
i think it gets quite difficult sometimes.
you dont make a Brocha on a borrowed Talis, only one you own
who owns the shuls Talis, is it the Tzibur?
i think it depends on what kind of financial structure of ownership the Shul has.
who is considered a member of the Tzibur?
im not too sure about any of this but i know it can get complicated in some casesNovember 2, 2010 8:13 pm at 8:13 pm #942695not IMember
I remember as a kid my father pointed out a Halacha from the Mishne Berura that after a sneeze and someone responds with gezuntheit or the liek the sneezer should reply with ” boruch ti’ye, lishuascha kivisi HaShem”..
One of the many halachos my father taught me!November 2, 2010 8:35 pm at 8:35 pm #942696WIYMember
I always wondered about this. What about Mincha or Shabbos Mincha? Musaf?
Thank you!November 2, 2010 10:01 pm at 10:01 pm #942697
since the talis is made for the tzibbur thats why this halacha applies.
WIY: mincha and mussaf not, the question is if your only davening pesukei d’zmra or after yishtabach do you make a bracha, i will ask this to rav belsky next time i come up with a shaila in mishna berura, prob with in a day or twoNovember 3, 2010 12:47 am at 12:47 am #942698WIYMember
Thanks. You are lucky to have such easy access to Rav Belsky! Take full advantage!November 3, 2010 1:39 pm at 1:39 pm #942699theprof1Participant
The Kaf HaChaim in Simon 14 simon koton 14 paskens that the halocho of making a brocho on a borrowed tallis is only if you wear the borrowed tallis together with tefilin, that is generally during shacharis. But says the Kaf HaCahim, if you wear it only for an aliya or during a tefila without tefilin, generally mincha or maariv, you don’t make a brocho. He goes further to quote the Taz that the Rosh paskins that a borrowed tallis you make a brocho because the person is happy that you do a mitzva with his tallis and part of the mitzva is the brocho. The final psak is that for a tefila with tefilin you do make a brocho, and the psak does not differentiate if a married man or bochur. The Kaf HaChaim brings down the Ben Ish Chai that the reason for no brocho for an aliya or duchaning or mincha marriv is that these are only a minhag to wear a tallis whereas a tefila with tefilin, shacharis, is a din, especially the shliach tzibur. In fact, a bochur is also obligated to wear a tallis but our accepted minhag is to start after his chasuna. Of course the accepted German minhag is for a bochur to wear after bar mitzva. At any rate, both a bochur and married man borrowing a tallis for shachris with tefilin, especially to be a shliach tzibbur does make a brocho. For an aliya, duchan, mincha, maariv they do not make a brocho. All that said, the Eliyahu Rabbo does paskin to make a brocho always and the Kaf HaChaim says that if you do make a brocho always, you can’t lose anything. It’s not a brocho l’vatoloh.November 3, 2010 8:11 pm at 8:11 pm #942700
Thank you for clarifying what I said
WIY, yes I bh go to the yeshiva which rav belsky is rh and ask him shallow frequently, it’s an honor to be in a yeshiva of a Posek hadorDecember 31, 2010 2:03 pm at 2:03 pm #942701blueprintsParticipant
not i: with hashem’s name? or just saying hashemApril 4, 2013 11:49 pm at 11:49 pm #942702LanderTalmidParticipant
I try to have in mind when I pick up the talis of the tzibbur to daven with, that I don’t want to be koneh it. This may remove the shaylah.April 5, 2013 3:30 am at 3:30 am #942703Bar ShattyaMember
I just read that R Fuerst said that if you haven’t seen an elephant or monkey within 30 days (I think one or other) we DO say “meshaneh habrios” with shem umalchus (twice if you see both seperately) He said that the Mishnah Berurah only limited the bracha to the first time in your life that you saw it to the “Briah HaYedua” but not to monkeys.April 5, 2013 1:51 pm at 1:51 pm #942704HaLeiViParticipant
What about if you don’t wear the Tallis over your head? The Arizal calls that a Bracha Levatala.
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